Also why he introduced bill to abolish the TSA!
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..makes me nervous. I understand he is working within the politics of ..well, politics. And so far what he is and has been doing is all good. I don't think he is winning over any conservative Republicans, rather he has the support of more liberty minded Republicans who we've voted into office. That's all fine. It's a start. But Rand is not Ron Paul and my fear is that at some point he will be a big enough influence to matter and then will turn away from liberty in the true sense of the word, compromise and be yet another politician who has let the U.S. citizens down. I hope not, but I am paying attention.
He is the ticket for MORE freedom, not less!
I think I know the word you're looking for.
That's the same reason he makes me nervous.
You're right. I agree with you. He is too mercurial... You don't know where he stands and if it's just politicking... your word 'shifty' works too. His contempt for once loyal supporters says it all I think.
Thank you for posting. Makes so much sense, though I never was a Rand hater and I didn't freak out over that meaningless endorsement. I really like the guy and would support him as POTUS. While I don't like the fact that he voted for sanctions on Iran, I don't believe he wants to go to war with Iran at all.
In my own personal opinion, I think Ron is helping him choose a different path in order to accomplish the change we have to have. We don't have TIME for Rand to wait years on end, run for Pres, and then get cheated out of it. Rand needs mainstream support, which is what Ron didn't have, and he is getting it!!!
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I think you're grasping at straws trying to make sense of it all.
"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!
Rand Paul 2016
Please listen to this man. He's one of the good ones. Be logical.
Rand 2016! Those who disagree...that's fine too. I respect your right to vote for who you want. You can vote you 1% to GJ and that's just fine too.
Its is a fact. It was a fact. Everyone who cried because their state delegations were thrown out need to acknowledge that Rand was exactly right.
Romney had the numbers to throw out entire delegations. It was a fact.
Romney had both the stolen delegate numbers and the stolen national committeemen numbers to have his way with us... and he did.
Rand Paul had the presence of mind to swallow his own pride, while most everyone else, including us Christians were just proud, prideful.
Pride comes before a fall. The true "false" Christians fell the hardest in this crying all the way home.
Rand Paul has proven his worth. He has shown that God has given his wisdom even beyond that of his father.
Stolen? When did Rand ever accuse Romney of "stealing anything? Also, how can your theory explain Rand's complete failure to lift a finger for his dad at state conventions in the months before Romney had it in the bag?
Romney had it in the bag since 08. When did Ron Paul go after Romney? When did we have enough members join the GOP, attend meetings and conventions and support Ron and Rand?
The people who9 refuse to join the GOP and get with the Restore The Republic program in the GOP are who failed Ron Paul, some actually wanted him to FAIL because they HATE the GOP more than they love or trusted Ron Paul's campaign.
STAND WITH RAND 2016
Romney had it in the bag in 2008?! He was the frontrunner but making a claim like that is laughable....apparently you will even reinvent history to protect Rand! Granger: Thy name is "true believer."
Oh...I still remember when you vigorously claimed that Rand campaigned for his dad at the state conventions when delegates were selected. When I asked for specific examples, you responded with total silence. Now, instead of providing same....you use a "revised" argument to excuse him.
Ron Paul and Rand Paul, the Texas congressman and his son the Kentucky senator, are campaigning together with just days to go in the New Hampshire presidential primary.
I have no need to protect Rand.
again The Granger is correct with every word.
I know who is running in 2016. The same person i voted for in 2012, Gary Johnson 2016. I have no problem supporting him again in the future. If the gop fails again and i pretty much think they will since they are setting up for losses in colorado in 2014/2016 again by opposing 2/3 of the voters and the colorado constitution.
Ron Paul 2012
ANSWER ME THIS:
Would Ron Paul have faired BETTER, WORSE, or INDIFFERENT had Rand endorsed Romney after the convention?
"Better, duh!" - You really HONESTLY believe a single Ron Paul supporter changed their support to Romney once Rand endorsed him? As if Rand had more influence than his father? Do you HONESTLY believe more Romney supporters would have decided to change their support from the establishment candidate to Ron Paul if Rand withheld his endorsement? As if these average folks were just waiting for Rand Paul to confirm their beliefs that Romney was their man?
This is absolutely absurd. If you don't like Rand for his voting record and policy he supports THAT'S FINE, but seriously.... his 'endorsement' is such a non-issue at this point it's not even funny.
Several of us changed our support to Romney shortly after Rand made his endorsement, because Rand woke us up.. many if us were thinking we could join the GOP and become delegates and get committee seats, and be like Ron Paul.. but where the GOP didn't care about Ron Paul or his loyalty, they sure cared about the oaths we signed, and so we came to understand that if we intended to stay in this party and fight, we had to wise up to the game, which in politics,, you have to stay in to win. Ron Paul was on his way out, and he knew it because there were not enough supporters crashing the GOP to lift him above and beyond the corrupt imbedded.
You haven't been reading this site closely. No Ron Paul supporter changed his mind because of the endorsement but there was widespread demoralization here among them and many, many did not show up. Also, please explain why Rand was completely MIA at the crucial state conventions for his dad BEFORE his endorsement. Had a sitting U.S. Senator (who had a national publicity platform) showed up and campaigned, as he did vigorously for Romney, it would have boosted morale and attendance and, more importantly, sent a message to the establishment that we were on guard to expose theft.
You missed a big point. People who were on the sidelines that didn't decide who they were going to vote for yet saw Rand's endorsement and said... "Wow no wonder the MSM says Ron Paul is a joke. His own son doesn't even support him! Rand supported the other guy instead LOL!". I mean, honestly what son would do that to their father? You have to think about the millions of undecided voters who viewed Rand's endorsement as confirmation that his father was a joke. And we're talking about millions of people here that we're affected by this.
you could look at it this way, people on the sidelines, who were brainwashed by MSM, thought Ron Paul was a racist isolationist, saw Rand Paul endorse the man they liked better than Obama. They saw Rand Paul trying to say Obama has to go! And they liked it. He did what he had to do. Let's face it, had Rand Paul endorsed his father who could not possibly win at that point, NOBODY would have suddenly voted for Ron Paul. It would not have changed ANYTHING. According to the masses of Americans, Ron Paul wasn't even a factor. They knew he didn't have a chance, which is exactly what every single person I talked to during the election told me. Friends and family, and strangers alike. Ron Paul had stopped campaigning before Rand endorsed Romney, because he knew he couldn't win:(
on his supporters, how do you suppose he'll win them over for the presidency?
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Paul and Rand will garner the majority of support from the Liberty movement. Your assuming that the majority of the movement thinks like you and they do not...that is a big head you have there, to bad there isn't much in it but hot air...
the libtards think they speak for the massive conservative/constituional following drs paul have!
and THEY DONT.
They are searching for a home and it is not with us or ron or rand paul.
rand knows it and is purging as WE SPEAK.
...the majority on the DP support Rand. An overwhelming majority either support Rand or are lukewarm. It's only a tiny minority that really opposes him, and an even tinier minority that is psychotic in their hatred of Rand: that would be you, and about a half a dozen others.
Anyone who states something like that should be able to lay proof out.. You can't though.. What? Cause you have about 10 very vocal people, now you think you suddenly went China on us purist's ass? lol
...look around. I haven't conducted a poll. I'm speaking to my own observations, as a regular here on the DP for over a year. Maybe you have different impressions. Okay then, I guess we disagree. Also, I'm not sure what it means to "go China" on someone's ass.
because its just him trying to justify what he did to Ron. The bottom line here is that IMO there is no excuse for doing such a thing to your own father while he was still campaigning. It would go against my principles as a Ron Paul supporter, especially since he will probably be an establishment candidate. A man with a lack of principles is what the GOP establishment wants. If they think that they can fool real Ron Paul supporters into voting for Rand they are in for a rude awakening.
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