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Ben Swann's 'Full Disclosure': Nullification

Ben Swann takes a look at claims by a Florida State Senator and what he thinks of those who believe in nullification.

http://youtu.be/mlpVJC4Phlg




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it's my hope

that the mr. gaetz is greeted with the same.

This guy is good...

This guy is good...

Ben Swann, America's Internet Anchor Man

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Ben in 720P HD, finally!!

Ben in 720P HD, finally!! Thanks Ben for getting the conversation started on subjects like this. Slowly, people are starting to listen. Barbara Walters should have had you on as one of her " 2012's most fascinating people"! Instead, she chose Honey Boo Boo!

Mat Larson already covered this.

Important stuff. We need to hold Senator Don Gaetz accountable AND get him out of office. This is completely unacceptable.

Senator Gaetz

should clarify his remarks. Simply saying he agrees with Andrew Jackson is not enough. He needs to say what he means by that. Please see my comment below.

RE=POST is in order here

OR at least a bit of an update to includes Mr. Gates contact information so that we can all contact him on this matter.
We (the people) ARE the government...HELLO!!!

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Contact Info:

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gaetz.don.web@flsenate.gov

District Office:
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http://www.flsenate.gov/Senators/s1

nice

video!

urgent constitution is

urgent constitution is misspelled in the beginning. This coming from the typo king.

Ron Paul 2016

Ben Swann Wrong Here

I think Ben Swann got this one wrong. I don't see that Don Gaetz is wrong, because Andrew Jackson's comments about the "nullifiers" doesn't contradict Jefferson and Madison's words on nullification.

The piece says:


It is said that one evening, while he was president, General Jackson was interrupted in his reading in his bedroom by an alarmed military aide who breathlessly reported, "Mr. President, the "nullifiers" are in front of the Executive Mansion with torches and guns. They are screaming that each state has the right to decide for itself which federal laws to follow. They threaten to burn us down if you will not agree with them." Without lifting his head from his reading, Andrew Jackson said, "Shoot the first nullifier who touches the Flag. And hang the rest."

But Andrew Jackson was right. That angry mob wasn't looking to apply nullification correctly. They said states could decide which federal laws to follow, not that they could resist unconstitutional federal laws. Big difference.

Big difference?

You said, "That angry mob wasn't looking to apply nullification correctly. They said states could decide which federal laws to follow, not that they could resist unconstitutional federal laws. Big difference."

Splitting hairs. "True" nullifiers would decide to not follow or resist unconstitutional federal laws.

I think the overlooked thing here is that the nullifiers were threatening to "burn us down if you will not agree with them." This is a threat of violence on another person. While I can certainly understand the sentiment when resisting tyranny, at that stage violence was going too far.

Rather, their state should ignore the law and then prepare for the federal gov't to use threat of violence against them, as most assuredly the threat would come.

Thus, that's the key reason why you don't have this strategy implemented much. Folks are fearful of the fed government's reprisal.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

Was that possibly just the interpretation of the aide?

In his breathless report, could the military aide have skewed his interpretation of what the nullifiers actually said to sound alarmist? I hear you when you speculate, "that angry mob wasn't looking to apply nullification correctly", but perhaps, in his apparent panic, the crowd, as a whole; may have actually sought a better remedy, except for some among them who called for worse.

It's hard to report the temperament of a crowd, "with torches and guns", but ought we to believe the worst of them all simply because of this military aide's sole assessment? Jackson may have spoken his death sentence against them simply by trusting that lone report, and made a rash judgement against everything they stood for because of it, rather than assessing things better himself. The life or death sentence of fellow Americans should not hang on the breathless report of one man's panicked assessment.

To be fair with Jackson's legacy also; he may not have said what is reported. After all, it is only one man's word verses another. The aide may have put words in Andrew Jackson's mouth that served his desired end and cast Jackson as a tyrant.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

In other words

Don Gaetz needs to CLARIFY his remarks on nullification. Does he believe states have the right to nullify unconstitutional federal laws or not?

It appears Andrew Jackson was simply asserting the power the federal government has over the States - which is correct, as long as it remains WITHIN the limits placed by the U.S. Constitution.

The power of a sovereign money system is given to the states

by the constitution... so by law, the nullification doctrine is applicable to the extra-constitutional scope of monetary policy.

BAM! there's your opening argument in front of SCOTUS... now how to get there o_O hmmm....

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

"give me control of my own permaculture and I care a lot about what makes law"

-Permaculture Republican

I know Don and his son Matt

Don Gaetz was the Superintendent of Schools where I live when my daughter was in high school and he personally awarded her about 6 different awards for her academic performance over the years.

There is so much corruption in our county and in the whole state of Florida that this doesn't surprise me. Don made millions in big pharma through "creative" legislation and his son makes millions from campaign donations, bribes, and feeding at the public purse trough.

I was pissed off one day (before I knew criminals ran the government) and went by Matts office to ask him a few questions about various things like...where is all the BP Oil spill money going? None of the people I know that filled claims were being paid but the corporations and local government agencies in our area where hitting the jackpot.

Matt wasn't in the office but there was a kid there that had just graduated from FSU. He looked like he was 15 but I'm getting old so I'm sure he was in his early 20's. Anyway, I spoke to the kid a while, trying to determine just how much he knew about the real state of politics today and it was clear he was educated in a State University. He looked really bored and before I left I asked him, what do you and Matt do all day? He said "write legislation". I said that's it...you just sit around coming up with ideas for new laws that you will send to Tallahassee? He said "yeah, pretty much. We meet with local businesses...mostly Military contractors and try to come up with things we can do to get favorable laws passed to help us get more federal money into this area."

No wonder 40-50 thousand new laws are added to the federal registry each year. Our "Representives" spend most of their time creating new ways to steal from taxpayers...and the taxpayer pays them handsomely for doing it too!

Arrghhh...what a world.

Very happy to see this being the TOP post at the DP!

This doctrine of nullification is THE key to preserving our freedom.

It is THE safeguard against federal tyranny.

And since we have gross tyranny being pushed on us, now is the time to employ this safeguard, which is nothing more than OBEYING the Constitution -- the 10th Amendment.

This traitor named Gates is just another useful idiot. People like him need to be replaced at the state level by educated, Liberty-minded people who have courage.

It appears this traitor, Gates, is going to be using a (false) talking point of the Establishment which is that persecuting nullifiers is the constitutionally right thing to do. WhAT? LOL. He's calling white black.

We are definitely not in Kansas anymore!

Learn more about Nullification at http://tenthamendmentcenter.com.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

#1 on 12/12/12

Good sign today.

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

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There is no duration defined in the Oath

Keep doing what you do Ben

Always willing to debate the issues others ignore or perhaps are simply ignorant of.

Ben Swann is actually the

Ben Swann is actually the proof that journalism isn't already dead after all!

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"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath

Whatsup

with this stuff - is ben going solo? Or working in that direction? There should be a reality check out this week by now - not seeing one though.

Don't get me wrong - i'd watch been through any platform - just curious if his topics and truthful reporting are starting to piss off some of the higher ups.

Welll you know...

his overly tan and made up co-anchor called Rachel Maddow an "angry young man"... since then these solo pieces are coming out. Maybe they both flew the coop?

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

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Ben Swann's devastatingly potent punch line:

"So is [the state senator G] upholding the law and the letter of the Constitution or simply his own interpretation of it?"

BTW, filmed at a beautiful hallway. A church? An old (well built) school?

Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_amendment

Nullification supporters argue that the power to declare federal laws unconstitutional not only is inherent in the concept of state sovereignty, but also is one of the powers reserved to the states by the Tenth Amendment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_(U.S._Constitution)#Provisions_of_the_Constitution

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath