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VIDEO: Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States

Before voting this post up or down, remember this is not about Oliver Stone as a person, just the actual TV documentary series.
So with this in mind - what do we think of this series?

Is there some kind of agenda or do these series of documentary films provide a new perspective on the endless wars and the USA being the policemen of the world? Your thoughts...

Episode 1 (starts at 2mins 30secs):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DxGzWenm20

Update: The first YouTube link to Ep. 1 was taken down (as I thought it might be) so have found and replaced it with the current link above.

Update 2.

I've now watched all 10 episodes and have to say, overall this is a worthy and informative series plus a wake up call for many.

It's best to watch from a non-political view-point to get the best out of this series, yes we can nit-pick over who Stone finds culpable and who he finds pure but the overall message especially in Episode 10 is no matter who is in office the military agenda continues to roll on and on, come what may...

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Going to be watching Ep. 9 soon

I think there are 10 episodes altogether.

If nothing else I'm sure people would find this series informative and an interesting take on recent history...

ps. watched all 10 now (see update 2)

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I give it a 7 out of 10. Some parts: 9.

Parts of it, I would give a 9.

Like the areas of the Russian Perspective, which I took to be the main point. That I haven't seen before.

Also, I wasn't aware that FDR blamed England's (as well as other nations) international behavior for bringing about war against themselves. It sounds like FDR was negotiating with England to get England to change it's future foreign interactions/reign, before all-out helping them.

My biggest criticism is fairly superficial. I don't think Olive Stone makes a good narrator. At times it sounds like he is trying too hard, and it sounds insincere.

Also, throughout the first half (from what I can recall), he rattles off WW2 events dryly, like he is reading a list out of a History book. I found that section hard to digest and a bit mind numbing.

Given that I walked away with some new perspectives/information, overall I give it a thumbs up.

Yep, I agree about Oliver

Yep, I agree about Oliver Stone's narration but you kind of get used to it and then you do find quite a lot of interesting points made regarding the path of the M.I.C. in the 20th and now 21st century. They are still pulling the strings!

I think this was very propagandistic

Although he does speak about Stalin's army killing hundreds of thousands of soldiers and how their families would be imprisoned, he somehow praises this and how the whole Soviet "society" came together to beat the Germans (yeah, because people under forced labor work do this out of sheer patriotism), out of a sense of a duty to protect mother Russia.

He acts as if it was a blessing that the Soviets were to be praised for being the main reason for the defeat of big bad Hitler, when the ultimate result was that instead of Hitler, it was Stalin who terrorized all of Eastern Europe during the following decades. Basically one genocidal dictator got traded for another one.

Notice how he praises how the Soviet Union rapidly rebuilt and was as productive as any industrialized nation in the world, and that it was like a new "industrial revolution", and it is also very disturbing how he praises the vice president under Roosevelt who during the depression had been responsible for "helping the economy" by restricting production from farmers...

I am not saying you should not watch it, but rather that you should watch it and understand that Oliver Stone's ideals are closer to Hugo Chavez than Ron Paul...

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Nothing More. Summary

I don't have anything to add to what you've added.

I am basically at the first stage of learning about the Russia side-of-things. So, I am thrilled that there is another direction that has taken my interest.

Do you know of other resources for finding out more?

I think this man may be a . . .

'sport'--

I (didn't know) that he was a Ron Paul supporter, but it makes sense. Sometimes people just want to seek the truth; they don't have to share our broader political beliefs--

I started watching; I will save and watch--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

DVR it

I enjoy watching another perspective on history. In the history books, (Public School) I remember the maps marked a massacre if the Native Americans won, if it was the U.S. Army, it was a victory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Little_Bighorn

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath

Stone is a Ron Paul supporter

A friend of mine met Stone in NYC during one event ealier this month and he said he supports Dr. Ron Paul.
But this is not new:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/oliver-stone-endorses-ron-...

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Maybe another great film by the master film maker?

"In fact, I think in many ways the most interesting candidate – I’d even vote for him if he was running against Obama – is Ron Paul. Because he’s the only one of anybody who’s saying anything intelligent about the future of the world."

Note the use of the words "interesting" and "intelligent". Sounds like it would be a subject right up his alley.

Sorry, Jake. I know you didn't want this thread focused on Ron Paul but, think what a great job in getting our message out there Oliver Stone could do!

Correction Nonna, I didn't

Correction Nonna, I didn't want this thread focused on Oliver Stone as a person, just to comments about this documentary series. Thanks.

Fine legalizeliberty but I

Fine legalizeliberty but I don't want to make this thread all about what we think about Stone as a person but strictly on his work on display in this documentary series...

ok

Just wanted folks to know this somewhat important fact.

Did not watch the film yet so I can't have an opinion formed about it.
Thanks for posting.

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That's OK. Just know how

That's OK. Just know how these threads can turn into personal attacks rather than the subject at hand. Hope you watch the first episode, form an opinion and have a comment about it then.

He goes a little too far in

He goes a little too far in his praise of FDR but there is some absolutely great material in this documentary series.

I will find it hard to accept praise of . . .

FDR, but I'll watch it--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Interesting!

Thanks, Jake, for letting us know about this. I do not have any premium channels and, apparently, this series is not being put on YouTube. Found this interview with Stone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO-Y8wNwbuA about the series (15+ minutes long), and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM6RqlnTryA&NR=1&feature=ends... (7+ minutes) about the Reagan years and current drone strikes by this administration. Both of these clips give a good idea of where Stone is coming from in making this series.

Personally, I admire Oliver Stone. His films are works of art and his research into his subject matter is outstanding. I was pleasantly surprised at his objectivity in "W". I am very interested in seeing this new series. I believe it will shed more light into that very dark room.

Thank you so very much for posting this, Jake.

Episode 1 is linked in the post.

I don't know how long it will stay up on YouTube though... Guessing anyone will have to search elsewhere to catch up.

Yes, I started to watch it.

I'm sure the series will come out on dvd. Fortunately, our little local library has a fantastic dvd collection and I'm sure our librarian will purchase that series, too.