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Rand Paul on The Mark Levin Show - 12/12/2012




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That Last Bit Confuses Me

Rand got into some trouble after his Rachel Maddow interview because he didn't fully support the 1964 Civil Rights Act (he took the proper position).

Now he suggests that the party make its support of such legislation part of its branding?

Levin properly corrected him: Pursue the individual vote, not that of groups.

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

I'm a little confused too

Now he suggests that the party make its support of such legislation part of its branding?

When did he say anything about the Civil Rights Act or similar legislation? Supporting such legislation and trying to "get the Black vote," or "get the Hispanic vote," etc, are completely different things. Talking about trying to appeal to minority groups does not mean you support laws that give them special privileges.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I caught that too. Rand went into "group think" at the end.

What happened to INDIVIDUALS Rand???

He sounds like a democrat at the end - looking for Latino votes and African American votes, and blah, blah, blah.

What happened to his father's message that the INDIVIDUAL is the smallest minority?

Rand gets more and more confused every day, as is evidenced by even talking to that rat bastard, Ron Paul-hating Mark Levin.

I'm afraid this apple fell very far from the tree.

And I even helped him get elected with my hard-earned money.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Rand is crazy like a fox!

I think some of you guys are entirely too hard on Rand. I see the logic behind what Rand is doing. Rand Paul will be elected POTUS in 2016.

Rand - Why are you treating this A-Hole with ANY respect???

Don't you know what he did to your father this year?

Don't you know that Levin, Medved and Hannity spent weeks bashing Dr. Paul on their national radio shows after he came in 2nd in the New Hampshire primary?

Levin is a duplicitous, Neo-Con, Arab-hating, Israel-first, party-second, country-third HYPOCRITE.

It appears Rand has fallen into their traps and is placating these A-Holes now.

EF Mark Levin, Michael Medved, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh and John Gibson.

Each of these hypocrite, pseudo-conservatives damaged Dr. Paul's 2012 presidential campaign beyond repair.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

So...

...you would prefer that Rand spent the interview attacking Levin over the petty slights done to his father months ago (which Levin's listener's either don't know or don't care about) and then never get invited back? Great, what does that accomplish? Revenge? I'd rather see Rand do something productive: spend the time talking about the issues in a way that Levin's listeners can understand and try to win some hearts and minds.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

"...petty slights done to his father???"

If it wasn't for the right wing talk radio idiots, it's very conceivable that Ron Paul would be our president on January 20th.

You must realize that millions of republicans listen to these people and are influenced by them.

I know plenty of establishment republicans who live and die with talk radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin.

They parrot exactly the same things these A-Holes said about Ron Paul.

And they voted accordingly.

You can blow it off all you want, but I will never forget that these rat bastards ridiculed Dr. Paul for his foreign policy of peace and freedom.

I also know that blood of all the innocent people we've killed over there is on your hands and mine because OUR TAX DOLLARS FUND IT.

Maybe you and Mark Levin don't have a problem with our government drone-bombing wedding parties in Pakistan, but I sure as hell do.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Sorry, what's your point?

When you finish airing your grievances against Levin and his ilk, can we talk about how to build the movement? I think using media appearances to spread the message to new audiences helps build the movement. I do not think it helps build the movement to use media appearances to attack media personalities out of spite. Explain to me why you disagree.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Oh, Gee-Whiz....

...another 'Cult of Rand' thread.

Who'da thunk it...

SteveMT's picture

I cannot believe what I'm hearing.

Rand Paul at 10:25 in:

"Can you imagine the boom that we could have in this country if we had a real republican leader who believed in the free market place, who would lower taxes dramatically. The corporate income tax needs to be cut in half."

Yes Rand, I can imagine that. His name is Ron Paul. Have you ever heard of him? I don't think so.

Sorry, what's your objection exactly?

You disagree with Rand's comment?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

SteveMT's picture

Rand is implying that....

Ron Paul is not a real republican leader who believed in free markets or lower taxes. What I find disgusting about the quote above is that Ron Paul was the only one talking about these issues for not years, but decades.

Also notice that the subjects of neither defense nor all of the undeclared wars of aggression were mentioned? When there is 100% agreement between guests and these talking head neocons, what out. Think prearranged agreement between them not to go to those topics so that they appear to present a united front on this staged discussion. Ron Paul would never have agreed to limited subject matter. You cannot talk about cutting budges without discussing defense cuts. Ron Paul and you know that as well as every Liberty Movement supporter knows that, but Rand and Levine apparently do not.

WTF are you talking about?

Rand is implying that Ron Paul is not a real republican leader who believed in free markets or lower taxes. What I find disgusting about the quote above is that Ron Paul was the only one talking about these issues for not years, but decades.

He said there is no Republican leader pushing for free markets and lower taxes. Rand is complaining about the party leadership, and talking about how beneficial it would be if people who do believe in free markets and lower taxes took charge of the party - in contrast to the people who run it today. It has absolutely nothing to do with Ron, who is not and never was a party leader.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

SteveMT's picture

Know this.

What has been done by the Republican Party to Ron Paul over his 2+ decades in the House was done because he was a leader. They would not have fixed primary after primary, caucus after caucus, and have thrown out elected delegates from the National Convention in Tampa if they did not fear the leadership qualities of Ron Paul. End of story, bro.

How does that...

...have anything to do with what Rand was talking about?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Yes - Dr. Paul was the ultimate leader.

That IS why the GOP/RNC did everything they could to ridicule him and cheat him out of it.

But the "conservative" talk show hosts like Levin, Medved, Hannity and Limbaugh lead the way in harming Dr. Paul's campaign.

And now Rand gives Levin respect?

Levin deserves NO respect from us. Insead he should be begging Dr. Paul for forgiveness.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

What helps the movement more:

(1) Rand goes on Levin's show and attacks him over the mistreatment of his father. This either goes over the heads of the listeners or they side with Levin - at best there is no benefit to the movement, at worst we lose support among Republican voters.

(2) Rand goes on the show and talks about the issues, in a way that Levin's audience can understand - some minds are opened to our ideas, Rand gains more recognition among mainstream Republican voters.

...Option #1 might satisfy your desire for revenge, but option #2 is clearly the smart move if we want the liberty movement to succeed.

P.S. I might add, which option do you think Ron Paul would choose? In fact, which did he choose, during the campaign: did he go on neocons' shows and complain about his unfair treatment, or did he focus on the issues and try to make a case for our views?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

SteveMT's picture

A free market, Republican Party leader is an oxymoron.

There is no such animal, and there will not be anytime soon. Rand knows this very well. The potential leaders of the Republican Party who do believe in the free markets like the 12 term Congressman from Texas were never allowed to take charge of the Republican Party. Haven't you heard of what was done to Congressmen Amash, Huelskamp, and Schweikert? They will never achieve true leadership rolls either because of the structure of the Party. Ron Paul was denied a true leadership roll because of his steadfast consistency in following the Constitution. The Republican Party will make sure that no free market republicans ever achieve leadership rolls. So, you will have your self-fulfilling prophesy of saying that Ron Paul was never a leader within his own Party. Yup, that is right. The same will be true for anyone else. The republicans will make sure that the same thing happens to anyone who comes along wanting the same thing as Ron Paul.

Why was there no mention of stopping undeclared wars of aggression or defense budget cuts during this staged interview? Any comments on that part of my post above?

Again, WTF are you talking about?

You mention the "self-fulfilling prophesy of saying that Ron Paul was never a leader within his own Party." Firstly, saying he never was a leader in the GOP cannot be a self-fulfilling prophecy, as it's referring to past events - do I need to explain how time works? Secondly, you then go on to make your own real self-fulfilling prophecy, saying that it is impossible for a free marketeer to ever gain a leadership role within the GOP! Hypocrite! What a whining, useless, negative, know-nothing you are!

As for this:

Why was there no mention of stopping undeclared wars of aggression or defense budget cuts during this staged interview? Any comments on that part of my post above?

It was a 15 minute interview. There are lots of subjects they didn't address. What's your point - Rand doesn't care about cutting military spending? If you think that, it just demonstrates how you criticize Rand even though you are completely ignorant of what Rand represents. Anyone who knows anything about Rand knows that he's talking constantly about the need for cuts in military spending, and has submitted several budgets which make such cuts.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

SteveMT's picture

Get back to reality.

Why are you being a Rand apologist about his not mentioning defense budget cuts in order for him to assuage the neocons? Why not just be for the truth, like Ron Paul?

Fact: We spend more on defense than all of the others countries on this planet combined. http://nation.time.com/2012/09/25/comparing-defense-budgets-... The politicians and the neocon talking heads cannot speak about budget cuts without also speaking about defense budget cuts. Ron Paul knows that and I know that, but you, Rand, and Levine don't know that. They don't because they love being the world's policemen and brutalizing and destabilizing country after country. Ron Paul would call them on that empire building at tax payer expense at every possible opportunity. Rand does not, he plays along to get into their good graces I guess. Ron Paul would not window-dress U.S. defense budget spending by simply not talking about it to suite the neocon agenda. He would bring that up repeatedly, which is why he is not a guest on these programs very often. He has no agenda, just the truth.

Your language is atrocious, btw. Why swear at me when it's the republicans and the neocons that warrant your anger?

Ron Paul Didn't Make It To Being A Leader...

... unfortunately. Rand Paul put more work into Ron Paul's campaign then any of us. Since his college years up to the present he has been the one knocking on doors and and passing out flyers for his dad. So yes, he has heard of him and probably wishes more then any of us for his Father to be that "leader". He even says here how offensive it is when people label him as a traitor to his father:

http://dailypaulradio.com/radio/2012/06/12/rand-paul-answers...

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Do you realize what you're saying?

"Ron Paul Didn't Make It To Being A Leader unfortunately."

Ron Paul, the only living Founder Father, who started the Tea Party and Liberty Movements is not a leader? He fills up stadiums of followers no problem, but he is not a leader according to you. What are we doing here? If we are all following in the footsteps of Ron Paul, then he must be a leader.

I Do Realize What I Am Saying...

... this is what you "couldn't believe" Rand Paul said, "Can you imagine the boom that we could have in this country if we had a real REPUBLICAN leader who believed in the free market place, who would lower taxes dramatically...". Republican is the key word, Ron Paul never was a Republican "leader" or nominee. He sure as heck is the leader of the Liberty movement but NOT of the Republican Party.

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Ron Paul...

......is/was the leader of the liberty movement, but he was never a leader in the Congress or in the Republican Party.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Where's the loaded got ya questions Ron had to deal with?

What's missing are the "got ya" questions. Whenever Ron Paul did an interview, every question he was asked was aimed at canning a sound bite the MSM could use to destroy him; and ole Ron Just kept disappointing them and spreading the truth.

When somebody understands their own position, got ya questions loose their teeth because they can explain themselves, so that's what Ron Paul did, just kept right on explaining liberty.

Let me see if I understand.

You're upset because Rand isn't being treated as badly as his father?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Am I upset? No.

What makes you think I'm upset? Should I NOT notice the difference? Noticing things is why Ron Paul always got attacked. It made him a threat to the lie so he needed to be discredited.

"You're upset because Rand isn't being treated as badly as his father?"

No. I'm saying it's telling that he isn't. It MIGHT even be a good thing? Maybe, maybe not.

That's what I figured...

...you're suspicious of Rand for not being treated as badly as his father, makes you think he sold out. Well, let me tell you something friend, if that's going to be the prevailing attitude within the liberty movement (automatic assumption that anyone not being cheated, not being marginalized, not being ignored is a sell-out), well then, the liberty movement will always turn on its own politicians just as they're beginning to have success, and the liberty movement is doomed to failure.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I'm more than suspicious

I'm more than suspicious of Rand Paul, and I think you are too. Remember what I said about the possibility that this is a GOOD thing? "Maybe, or maybe not?"

Why attack me for noticing this soft ball interview from Mark Levin if you didn't notice it too? If you thought it could be explained as 'a good thing', why go on the attack? You KNOW it's a bad thing too don't ya?

Can you even make an argument as to why it might NOT be a bad thing? I can if you need me to. Please, pretend to try, or is your only option to troll me and go on the attack?

Rand is a mediocrity

He really doesn't sound much different than your average run-of-the-mill republican politician. He's all for a "budget" that balances in 5 years or letting democrats "own it" if they raise taxes -- same old crap I've heard from the GOP for decades. He lacks his father's libertarian/economics education and most importantly, his father's courage. That's why cretins like Hannity and Levin love him so. And I'm not a Rand "hater," I never expected much from Rand in the first place because he made it clear a long time ago that he isn't his father. At least he's not a liar.