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Rand Paul on The Mark Levin Show - 12/12/2012




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Here's a thought

Maybe Rand's appearances on mainstream Republican radio and TV shows are intended to appeal to, you know, their audience (mainstream Republicans)- not to us. Maybe politicians craft their message differently when addressing different audiences?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Yeah, imagine that.

Unfortunately, this concept flies over the heads of the trolls pretend not to understand.

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Balancing the budget in five

Balancing the budget in five years is "the same old crap you've heard from Republicans for decades?" Paul Ryan's plan that was slammed by the media as being "extreme" didn't balance for 26 years. Rand seems like such a breath of fresh air to me compared to the establishment Republicans like Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio. I just can't believe how much disapproval there is of Rand here when he's just head and shoulders above any other member of the U.S Senate. If he runs for President in 2016, he'll be head and shoulders above any of the other Republicans running.

Yes, more or less

It does sound like the same old crap. The GOP politicians have been talking about "balancing the budget" in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years for as long as I can remember. I've been alive long enough to see these deadlines come and go a few times and the outcome is always a raised debt ceiling. The GOP always blames the dems for their support of welfare programs (which the GOP also supports, of course), but the GOP never agrees to cutting back on the aggressive foreign policy and pre-emptive war. Obviously, the budget will never be balanced until this happens, and Ron Paul is the only one in the GOP who had the courage to say so. Rand didn't even bring up the issue. Being "head and shoulders" above people like Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio isn't saying much, imo. Our country is on the edge of a financial precipice and we need people in congress to tell it like it is NOW. If Rand would just rise to the level of his dad's belly button, I'd be happy.

Really?

It does sound like the same old crap. The GOP politicians have been talking about "balancing the budget" in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years for as long as I can remember.

Rand's budget cuts $500 billion in the first year. That's not future imaginary cuts or cuts in the rate of increase, that's spending $500 billion less in the first year than in the previous year. Now, tell me, which politician other than Ron or Rand has ever proposed spending cuts on that scale?

the GOP never agrees to cutting back on the aggressive foreign policy and pre-emptive war. Obviously, the budget will never be balanced until this happens, and Ron Paul is the only one in the GOP who had the courage to say so. Rand didn't even bring up the issue

Rand's budget cuts $38.43 billion in military spending in the first year.

See Section 6:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.162.PCS:

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

That's good to know

It would've been helpful if Rand had mentioned the need for drastic military spending cuts on the show. The great majority of people will never read Rand's budget proposal (or your above comment) and it will obviously never get passed. Ron wasn't able to get military spending cuts passed, but at least he drew a lot of attention to the issue and educated many people by speaking so eloquently about it. If Rand won't speak openly about the need for military spending cuts like his dad did, he'll make no difference at all.

Rand does speak about military spending cuts...

...all the time. But if people don't follow his media appearances or read what he writes, because they've already dismissed him as a neocon, well then they would never know these things would they?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

No, not all the time

He didn't even mention it on the Levin show...the subject matter (budget cuts) was the perfect time to bring it up, and Levin and his audience need to hear this message more than anyone else. Come to think of it, I don't recall ANYTIME Rand has explained the importance of drastically cutting "defense" (offense) spending in order to balance the budget publicly. If you've seen him do so "all the time," please provide some youtube links. Thanks in advance.

Everything you just said is

Everything you just said is 100% factually wrong. The budget that Rand introduced ended the war in Afghanistan and closed down foreign military bases overseas. His budget cut defense spending, which is something that he's always advocated. And, if you're going to blame him for not introducing a budget that balances in one year, then you'll have to blame Ron as well, since even Ron's budget didn't balance in the first year. Ron's budget took three years to balance. Where are all the comments about Ron "selling out" and "acting like any other politician" for introducing a budget that wasn't balanced after the first year?

His father would have done it in 4 years

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+1

Agreed. The covetous horde would love to "own it", own it ALL. Rand wants to let them?

"At least he's not a liar."

All people are liars, some more authoritative than others. I fear he was telling the truth when he endorsed Romney. Maybe that's why he's ready to let the left own us. Is it about blame?

I blame Lenin, but that doesn't change the objective reality in Russia, and Commie pilgrims still come to drool on his tube.

I despise Levin, but...

...it's better to have him defending our views (albeit disingenuously) than attacking them, no?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Not necessarily. Having our

Not necessarily. Having our views attached to the Republican "brand" might drag them down with the ship.

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Down with the ship?

The GOP is not going down. The GOP and the Democratic Party are going to retain their absolute duopoly on American politics for the foreseeable future. We either participate within one of the parties, or we sit on the bench. That's reality. If we've chosen the GOP over the Democratic Party, then we want to win more support among mainstream Republican voters. Levin has influence on the minds of mainstream Republican voters. Therefore, if Levin is supportive of our positions, that helps us.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

A lot of assumptions there ,

A lot of assumptions there , you'd better hope they're right. Chiefly among them that you can win a general election when your ideas are identified with the unthinkable neocon platform.

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Rand should have compared the GOP tactics to purge amash and

Others to the same tactics to keep his dad from having any presence at the convention

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absolutely

it is so obvious that it was part of the same attack, but pointing that out would've taken some guts.

This is our coalition

This is the coalition we need to foment. Levin can be brought around. He sees himself as a Reagan Conservative, thus a defender of all things military. It is an identity thing. Aside from that he's quite close to most of the things Ron and Rand advocate. This is the way we win back the country. Build an alliance with grass roots conservatives.

Rand used the phrase, "second wave of the Tea Party Movement". Dr. Paul inspired it and when these people got on board (Levin and Glenn Beck especially), it became a powerful movement. We need to get back to that.

Levin, no

Members of his audience, yes.

I used to listen to Levin.

No...no....that is precisely

No...no....that is precisely the wrong place to build a coalition. Levin and his fellow rightists are too much in love with the military, and Israel, to even be good allies. If the last election proved anything, it is that our best hopes for a coalition is fiscal conservatives/social antiwar Americans in both parties. Those are precisely the folks who hate Levin and Hannity even more than we do.

This particular radio host

has made himself an enemy of our group. They are snakes you probably have yet to fully experience from 2008-2012

Coulding even listen to the ZIO-Neocon IzUnreal Firster

interview a traitor senator who sold out his tea party, libertarian roots. Just junk.

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Rand held his own.

I almost didn't listen to it because of levin. Rand didn't miss a beat, was clear and concise. Good job, Rand :-)

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If we look to history...

...we will know exactly what the establishment talking heads will do. They pretend they are on your side until election time comes and they turn on you. Levin will be the first one to get behind Marco Rubio for president. Just like listening to Glenn Beck before 2011 he was all about "Ron Paul being to only one who stood up for liberty in the house" then during the election how "vehemently he disagreed with Ron Paul on foreign policy" and how he continuously mocked Ron Paul on his Radio show. Sorry establishment, we won't fall for it again.

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they pretend

that's all they do.

The establishment is the smoke and MSM the mirror

I listened

Rand is very articulate. It doesn't sound not a bad idea to do some political jujitsu with the democrats: If they want high taxes let them have it but then let them pay the consequences. My biggest criticism is for not saying anything when Levin called the Dems the big government party. The GOP is a big government party too, they just differ as to which branches of government gets the loot.

Vickie

Your point is correct

Both parties are for big government, like Pat Buchannon has said, "they are two wings of the same bird of prey". Rand is well aware of that and so are a few of the other representatives, like Justin Amash. Levin is sold out to the establishment Republicans, but why bother engaging in an argument on a few minuet radio spot? Rand keeps the message positive and with his large listener base it's better to have Levin on our side, no matter how distasteful that is to us.

When is silence consent

I would have at least tried a subtle dig about defense contracts etc. A problem is that so many movement conservatives still buy the rhetoric of "small government" when the GOP is out of power. At what point does silence become consenting to some one else's lie.

Vickie

The neocons are in a bind

They're long out of power and they want the reins. They have lost all credibility and the people have shown the media is irrelevant. Being the long term thinkers that they are, they're reading the writing on the wall. They have no choice but to embrace the teaparty they despise. They sure can't put a "republican" like Corker or Boehner on their program and push their agendas... that won't sell. And, is there any geunine revolt over Obama/Bohner's planned taxagedan? Those big earners will pay. And their estates will lose. It may be an interesting year.