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Rand Paul on The Mark Levin Show - 12/12/2012

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I wasnt

including you with Levin. After reading what you've written I was simply pointing out that you think he should have been more like his dad
when addressing a MS republican listening base and the fact that Levin would love nothing more then to make Rand sound like his father while addressing his listening base....
You mention a ideological revolution bellow. 'The Man' also said to take over the republican party and replace them with 'more' constitutional minded conservatives and Libertarians. He never said 100% ideological purist or Liberals. Your in here trying to convince everybody that Rand doesn't cut it and is not the man to move us forward on a national level and you are wrong...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

excuse me for joining the discussion

and not just posting some ad hominem attack. sorry, but i find rand a mediocrity. i'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. i am voicing my opinion just like you except i'm not accusing you of trying to sell rand. that's your choice and i wish you and others luck. i hope you have fun while doing it, but don't expect to win. the old boy, neocon, pro police state, keynesians would never allow it. they will change the rules any time they want and be damn blatant about it. i'm convinced romney was a straw man & the establishment GOP isn't that interested in the POTUS unless the people swing back to them on their turns. i hear that trying to get the hispanic vote is their latest ploy. good luck with that.

you have decided that working within the party and getting behind rand is the way, and i have decided that working more in the ideological revolution especially with the youth and education. i won't say you are wrong although you have no problem telling me i am, but there is a good chance that ron paul would applaud both of our efforts. i'm sure he doesn't expect everyone to jump on the randwagon. he always makes it a point to tell supporters make your own decisions.

I agree

with your ideological revolution 100%. That is the difference between me and you is i agree with you but i also understand that the battle needs to be fought on many fronts to accomplish our goals. Ron is working from one front while Rand is working the other and those fronts joined together for the betterment of this country can move us forward and accomplish our goals. Your idea of trying to get the rest of the voting world to one day suddenly wake up and see things the way we see them is a pipe dream, It will never work, even Uncle Ron understands that much, he's lived it!
Its ok to have your opinion in what you believe but its insane to think that the other 99% of the voting public will suddenly wake up one day and be 100% aligned with the way you see things just as it is insane to think you will ever be able to advance your goals without some sort of compromise...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

that's not what i said at all

but i'm tired of going around in circles, and seeing how you interpret for your own means and misrepresent.

of course liberty and freedom need to be fought for on ALL fronts.

Your tired of this debate

because you have lost. I'm not misrepresenting anything, Your words here are very clear... ALL fronts except the Republican Party and Rand trying to win us some support. You seem to be the one misrepresenting here....Have you even read what you have written here or do you just pull this crap from your ass as you go ?....

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

lost patience with irrational thinking

the GOP is a criminal organization and i plan on switching to LP quickly if you represent the new blood.

these exchanges with you remind me of others i had at huffington post about obama. they accused me of being a right wing nut (name calling just like you engage in) and telling me i didn't see the big picture etc etc etc. you could just change the obama to rand and the arguments were nearly identical which only proves to me that ron paul was dead right when he said both parties were basically the same WRONG on nearly everything. it's the system itself, and the minds of the people must be changed, then the power hungry criminal politicians will be forced to.

whah whah whah

davy, i tried having a rational conversation with you but you are simply irrational. There is no discussing anything with you types because no matter how much i Ron or Rand or whoever tries to explain to guys like yourself what is going on and the reality of a situation you simply don't want to hear it OR understand it. ( don't tell me the facts, i have already made up my mind), if anybody sounds like a Obama supporter it is you! I have made many rational points in this discussion and have even been nice about it and you keep coming back with the same Rand Paul Derangement Syndrome that you openly make fun of Levin having against Ron Paul.
FACT Rand is one of the best we have in there right now that has the ability to appeal to other people besides yourself, a far cry better than the rest but because he doesn't do things just like Ron you don't like him and refuse to see any good in him. Furthermore you focus in on SOME of what Ron Paul has said to try and prop up your points in this but refuse to acknowledge he has also told us to take over the Republican Party and elect more constitutional conservative minded people . I have made MANY good points throughout this conversation and have even agreed with many of your points ( most in fact) while you do nothing but disagree with mine even tho mine are based on the reality of what we are dealing with here. You want to change peoples minds? Get somebody in office that shares at least some of your goals on a national level that can get things done and SHOW the people it can work, even a little at a time if that's what you have to do. They will come our way if we can manage that. Again you are focusing in on only one aspect of doing things and what RP has said and refusing to acknowledge the rest..THAT is irrational...I was actually messing around with that comment but to no surprise you wear your feelings on your sleeve and take offense to it....sticks and stones Davy...lighten up! If you cant have a open minded conversation with people who share the same goals as you then quit disrupting and wasting peoples time...and one last thing, your never going to change a corrupt politician, you have to purge them out! Rand is doing what he has to do to survive in that environment, you should be thanking him for being wise instead of slandering him because he doesn't do things the way his father did them! Congress has the lowest approval rating i have ever seen right now, do you REALLY think they give a hoot about what the public thinks?

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

more passive agressive posting ...

it's funny because i feel i tried to find some common ground with you, even wishing you luck in your endeavor but you seem to have that stick so far up you just can't get it out. it's your way or the highway. it seems freedom to you means no dissenting opinions. that's called fascism.

btw what didn't you understand when i wrote: of course freedom and liberty should be fought for on ALL fronts? having an exchange with someone who doesn't at least acknowledge what the other person is saying is certainly frustrating. if you feel the same let's call it a day. we've each had more than our say don't you think?.

passive aggressive ?

I do not compute. I do not understand and refuse to understand the Liberal language... ;)

(btw what didn't you understand when i wrote: of course freedom and liberty should be fought for on ALL fronts?)

I didn't understand this because you didn't mean it and i outlined that already. Let me re-quote this for you when i take in to consideration the things you have written in this discussion before saying it:...

( of course freedom and liberty should be fought for on ALL fronts EXCEPT the republican party and trying to bring in MS republicans)

you said it, i didn't...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

now you're resorting to outright fabrication

distortion isn't enough for you?

here's my exact quote:
of course liberty and freedom need to be fought for on ALL fronts.

you're right that the GOP & rand paul is not where i want to spend MY energy, and i've explained why.

sorry we don't agree but that's life. deal with it. you'll be happy you did.

lol

yes, that is me, Mr. Passive Aggressive Fabricator. I suggest you go back and read all your comments in this thread Davy. I think i read your words pretty clearly here and even spelled them out for you.

Now again, fly on over here and give them your best shot, you will fit right in with Legalize and i need some good entertainment...

http://www.dailypaul.com/260128/daily-paul-represents-the-li...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

one thing we agree on

you definitely need some good entertainment.

I dont know whats funnier

your way of debating or you dressed up in a French Maid outfit.
They both kind of look the same to me :)

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

sounds like you need more

than just some good entertainment.

ron paul vs the enemies of reason

ron paul vs the enemies of reason
http://lewrockwell.com/spl3/ron-paul-vs-enemies-of-reason.html
"Levin is emblematic of the phenomenon to which I refer as the Paul Derangement Syndrome, a craze that renders otherwise reasonably sane (even if frequently misguided) Republicans into embodiments of raw, undifferentiated irrationality at the very mention of Ron Paul’s name.
It is this phenomenon that succeeds in arresting so much of my attention as of late.
When the 18th-century philosopher Immanuel Kant alluded to “misology,” it was the hatred of reason to which he referred. Well, if misology is the hatred of reason, then “the misologist” is the person who despises reason. Levin, I contend, represents a sizable number of self-proclaimed “conservatives” who are pathological misologists when it comes to Ron Paul."

so, pretty obvious that the name itself is enough to make levin's odious nature boil.
& "sizable number" i like. maybe i'll use that sometimes rather than "many" lol

LOL There is somthing

for you to learn in that...now maybe you can understand why Rand doesn't sound like his father when addressing a listening base such as Levins. Dont give Levin an excuse to slander..Win the listeners trust and votes and then turn the water up slowly...Very wise...very wise indeed...:)

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

that's one way

of looking at it. he doesn't come off as wise to me, just another boring politician playing along to get along.

imagine the GOP debates of 2016 & rand accusing santorum of playing along to get along like ron did. rick can easily say: well so do you pal.

lol

your trying to compare apples to oranges. Rand has a very conservative /libertarian history...Santorum never has and never will...
Your just not serious about your country, that's your problem. You just want somebody you can worship and somebody that will disrupt and turn people off rather than somebody who knows how to move us forward and accomplish our goals in a corrupt system with generations of indoctrinated voters . Your simply hard headed and unreasonable, you do not understand politics nor do you want to understand politics OR what it takes to bring in new voters and slowly mold them in to true conservatives and even worse you grasp at silly straws trying to make a point....In short you are unproductive and disruptive. You do not have the ability to look at things from different perspectives and understand that the battle must be fought on many different fronts and not from one narrow minded ideological purist mindset...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

you you you you you

give it a break "warrior"

You You You You

That is right, i have gotten to know you from what you have put down in your own words! If you don't want people to see what your about then do yourself a big favor and just quit typing...'davy the disruptive'!
Your a Wealth of information that's based on your opinion rather than reality...Rand is a realist and your a pretender......you you you you..
squirrely little nut-zipper you...lol

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

resorting to name calling is a sure sign

you have lost confidence in your argument.

lol

whatever makes you feel better davy. Getting offended over nothing is a sure sign you never had any confidence to begin with.. ;)

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

you're assuming again...

something you do a lot of. it doesn't make me feel one way or the other. i'm just pointing out what is common knowledge in debates.

I see

you have brought one of your boy toys in to play the down vote game faster than any man could possibly read...nice try but clearly you lost this one davy..;)

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

ha ha that's something i pay no attention to

but you obviously do. when a person wins a debate they do not claim it again and again.
it's another sure sign of lost confidence in self.

I was only telling you

the reality here. Maybe it wasn't you but whoever it was down voted about 20 post in 1 minute without posting, that speaks volumes. ;)
Have a good one davy, as i said you have been a good sport but your passive aggressive ,name calling and confidence comments are kind of cheesy. That is exactly what Liberals run to when they have run out of options knowing they got run over by a CW ! ;)

http://www.dailypaul.com/260128/daily-paul-represents-the-li...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

who in their right mind

would pay attention to such a thing. OMG i won't sleep tonight cos i was voted down by conservative warrior. that you pay so much attention to something like that speaks volumes.

to you i'm a liberal to some other poster at HP i'm a right winger. that might be something you could give a little thought to.

i see you like to put people into groups too, as if they're all the same. are you sure about ron paul because you don't sound like you've learned the basic principles?

Davy

you mean your back running that head again? Did i say i wouldn't sleep?
I just happened to notice it when replying to your nonsense such as i'm doing now. Never was upset about it, i just thought it was a cheesy move just like your cheesy assumptions and your cheesy comments and your cheesy way of debating...Now it seems you are throwing a fit because i left you, did you miss me or something? At least i left on a good note..or so i thought anyway..you said most of your friends are Liberals and you do grasp at straws like a liberal when you cant make your case...Birds of a Feather davy, they DO flock together...;)
Now that this is settled, is there anything else you wish to debate?.. ...because honestly, i have seen better head than yours on a stale glass of beer and this is getting boring. Just saying...
have a good one!...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

i don't follow the head biz

i wasn't throwing a fit. that's more your area.

but what is cheesier than low brow sexual jibes with someone you've never met?

rather than pick this post apart piece by piece (because i agree it's been a bore for a while) and i was first to recommend we end it.
you continue to fabricate. i never said most of my friend are liberal. go back and read it slowly. i have friends from across the spectrum but mostly libertarians who i find make way more sense than my liberal or conservative friends.

Right

and so was i. This is common knowledge in everyday life. Stick and stones davy! Didn't your mama teach you that when you were a boy, or are you still learning the basics ?

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams