Ron's plan.....and the Constitution party
Now don't beat me up here.......but think about this for a minute...
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I don't think RP ever thought he would win the Republican nomination. He knows what he is up against. I think his plan from the very beginning of this run was to test the waters to see how many Americans were paying attention to the demise of this country.
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I think his plan from the beginning was to use the Republicans and the primary process to get his name out there. Had he run as an Independent from the beginning, do you really think the media would have given him a second on news coverage? And you think the media hardly gives him time now.
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But this way, he gets on national TV during the debates and he has received some coverage, and he has been on some well watched shows such as Glenn Beck, Jay Leno, etc.
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Now to the Constitution party......what better party for a constitionalist like Dr. Paul to be a part of? What better party name to use to take the country back....not a part of the mainstream Republicans of Democrats.....
Does anyone here know that they are ON THE BALLOT IN ALL 50 STATES!!!!!
I would bet Dr. Paul knows that......keep supporting this man with all you can....by the time he runs on the Constitution party, he will be well known.....
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here are some links
http://www.constitutionparty.com/mission_statement.php
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
The Revolution is here.....it is just the start....
Peace.....
update-8:12PM - some of you are already knocking the Constitution party.......I have one thing to say......LOOK, OUR COUNTRY WILL BE LOST....stop nit-picking about the Constitution party, and whether they are bible believers or not...who freakin cares!!!!...AT LEAST YOU WILL STILL BE FREE!!!! FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! ...Would you rather go to a FEMA camp???!!!!
At least they want to restore the Constituion...isn't that what you all want???....Geeezzz....
A lot of good points here
about the similarities and differences between LP and CP. They are certainly alike more than they are different. They agree on most things. The problem I see is the one or two issues where there IS disagreement. I personally agree with the CP more than the LP but I like Paul and the LP because it's more inclusive and it doesn't exclude me. For instance, I've said that I'm pro Iraq war but I still choose Paul because he's right for me on so many other issues. I'm not excluded from the Paul movement over one issue because we all agree we must restore the Republic and Constitution first and foremost. Now, imagine me saying I was an atheist in the CP. I would not be welcomed at all because that one issue is too central to their platform. I think the solution here is for Paul to remain right where he is, continuing to gain name recognition and continuing to speak to the nation about the real problems we face. He's the only one doing it and people are starting to notice. I would much rather have him doing this, and eventually lose, than to have him run third party and not be heard. I'm in this for the long haul, not just until November.
The 2004 constitution party
The 2004 constitution party candidate is supporting Ron Paul.
http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=926
Don't think it was RP's plan
By the same token, he now does know that he has great support and has been able to build substantial additional support through the GOP......even though they've fought him every step of the way. With the momentum he's built, the option should be considered if he gets screwed out of the GOP nomintation.....and it would be that as the many forces of evil have been working against him.
The other thing is that the Diebold machines may be removed in many areas by the general election as they are being brought to light. I know in Collier county Florida, and maybe all of Florida, we are apparently getting rid of them after the primaries. And it's not like he needs the media to help him much as they certainly haven't helped much to date. If he builds momentum like he has in the last 9 months, he could be quite viable.
The disadvantage is that some states would exclude him because of the sore loser laws. Either way you slice it, we must do our very best getting him the GOP nomination.
Bob W., Naples, FL
Sorry, but after reading
about the CP (thanks for the link) IMO, RP is not a "fit" with their platform. How about Huckabee instead?
h-daddy
This is a bs
This is a bs post....Trolling for Jesus
Isn't the Constitution Party for
The War on Drugs?
I think
the constitution party would gladly get rid of the theocratic portion of their platform for the chance to have Dr. Paul run on their ticket. And he would demand as much. I do think in the unlikely event he decides to run 3rd party he is much better running on the "Constitution Party" than the "libertarian party" as he is the "Champion of the Constitution"
By definiftion, the CP is a theocratic party.
The core theory of the party is that this is a Christian nation, and not just any christianity, but fundamentalist christianity. that is no way to win votes from the left or even the middle. If Ron Paul would have any chance as a third party candidate, he would need to capture a sizable portion of the anti-war vote, which is mostly on the left and you will lose too many of them running under the CP label. The live-and-let-live philosophy of the LP would be far easier to swallow to the anti-war crowd.
And the LP is just as big of a defender of the Constitution, if not more so because they do not read such religiousity in what is a secular document.
As someone on the right...
I would say the stereotypical libertarian doesn't exactly draw from the mainstream either. Believe me, their policies evoke the same emotion that you just stated towards the CP. You mention theocracy, I imagine a bunch of stoners running all over the place. That doesn't fly with the :mainstream" either.
Can we put this topic on hold?
Can we just try for the GOP nom first? Talking about this seems so defeatist.
And maybe
we could tone down the anti-religion rhetoric as well, unless the aim is to alienate as many Christians as possible.
gorogo, I sympathize with your plea as well...
but we have to be realistic. No candidate for either party has ever finished in 5th, 5th, and 4th in the first three primaries and gone on to win the election. Add to that the facts that RP is polling at about 5%-7% in South Carolina and Nevada and continuing to hope the RP nomination is in the cards is to deny the obvious.
Mind you, this is not giving up, in my opinion. In fact, the RP campaign admitting that the republican nomination is impossible would actually free him up to speak as he wishes. He would no longer need to concern himself with delegates. He could just concern himself with getting the message of freedom and liberty out and building up as much support as possible from the entire country, rather than cowtowing to every faction in the Republican Party.
If you look at it objectively, making the tactical decision to run as a third party candidate in November actually plays to Dr. Paul's strengths (a great message that appeals to people ACROSS the political spectrum and the money to campaign all the way through the nominating process), and minimizes his weakness (a lack of republican delegates).
Don't fear the third party run. Embrace it! The average voter is sick of the two party system and considers both parties and the entire government corrupt. Running outside the despised establishment would be a strength, not a weakness. Why do you think the two parties do everything to keep third parties out? They know how weak their positions are.
If you want the lowdown on ballot access...
go to the Ballot Access News website which is objective, don't go asking someone from the party itself.
In any case, I really don't care if they get on all 50 states or not. A political party so overtly religious is not going to help us get the antiwar left. Its delusional to think otherwise. We'll lose most moderates as well. There is obviously a lot of agreement between Ron Paul and the Constitution Party (and the Libertarian Party, for that matter), but the CP takes the religious thing way too far.
Unify Libertarian and Constitution Parties
I am a born-again Christian, but I must confess that the overtly Christian themes in the Constitution Party concern me greatly. I have seen where combining Christianity with politics can lead (Huckabee being just the latest example), and it has brought nothing but trouble for the church in America. Don't get me wrong: I believe we could use strong, Christian men in congress and the White House as Christian principles can restore truth and justice to our government, but to confuse political solutions with religious ones misleads a lot of people into looking to government to solve their problems instead of faith and obedience to God Himself.
The best thing I can think of is if Ron Paul could actually combine the Libertarian and Constitution parties into one super-third party. There is a fair amount of common ground between the two. If the Constitution party would drop the Christian overtones and the Libertarian party recognize the need for sovereignty and constitutional government (as opposed to anarchy), I think they both could form a rather formidable political force -- especially when combined with Ron Paul's large supporter base.
Ron Paul could be just the man to pull this off.
While I sympathize with your
While I sympathize with your idea, the two party are just too far away from each other on the religious issue to ever combine. Bottom line, the amount of "christians overtones" the CP would have to drop to be acceptable to the LP would be too much for the CP to accept, and the amount of "secularism" the LP would have to drop to be acceptable to the CP would be too much for the LP too accept.
Never shall the twain meet, at least not officially. Vote for the same candidate? That is much more likely.
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The LP is bigger, by quite a bit, and has had 50 state ballot access in the last two pres elections(up to like 30 for this one so far)and has officially invited RP to run for the LP nomination, after super tuesday-find that at www.lp.org
Additionally, many of the States are not open to begin the process to get on the ballot yet-so the CP can't have achieved acess yet.
Mike Stahl
Mike Stahl
Constitution party isn't on the ballot in GA
Never gonna happen here..anytime soon (read about GA ballot access laws)
Get out and support Dr. Paul today....we are only 10% into this...
Lets get it done.
www.votejasonthompson.us
www.votejasonthompson.us
LP is on ballot
In Georgia.....No idea of CP.
Mike Stahl
Mike Stahl
I spoke with a CP rep....
She said they will be on the ballot in all 50 states.....I hope she was right.
As of now they aren't on GA's
www.votejasonthompson.us
www.votejasonthompson.us
Not sure what some of you are talking about...
go here ...
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Copyrigh...
Sounds like a lot of what RP stands for
Why not as a write-in?
I believe that write-in candidates are always allowed, right? So IF he doesn't make it as the Republican candidate, why not just encourage everyone to write him in? Would you otherwise hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils? It was a mini-brainstorm I had last week.
But, let's just shoot for having him as the Republican nominee, then the 3rd party questions won't matter.
Cia W.
www.eft-sw.com
Write-in can't win
90% of Americans simply would NEVER "write-in" a candidate. Get real.
There are two HUGE problems with the Constitution Party
1) To say the Constitution Party is far too religious for mainstream America would be the understatement of the century. This is the first, bear in mind, FIRST, sentence of the preamble of their party platform:
"The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States."
Now, be reasonable, people. That's a ludicrous platform that would scare away any support RP might get from the anti-war left. Oh, and did I mention that Constitution Party believes that life begins at conception and that should be the law of the land in EVERY state? You think you are going to win over any of the left or even moderates with that?
2) Even if the platform wasnt completely insane, the CP is not even close to 50-state ballot access, and the Libertarian Party will end up with ballot access in more states. The LP should get to at least 46-state ballot access. According to the website Ballot Access News, the only state the CP might get ballot access in that the LP might not would be West Virginia. Now, based on the LP's live-and-let-live platform, it would make far more sense to run on the LP ticket and run on the CP ticket in West Va. only.
have you not heard ron paul talk?
he says stuff like, there is a higher law then the constitution, our creator.
you say they are too religious. it seems to be working for the huckster.
ron paul believes life begins at conception. so do i.
you talk like the anti-war left, any of the left or moderates are not free thinking people and single issue voters.
this is about a 100 issues facing our country. not one or two. ron paul is right on 90+ of them. no matter what party he is running for / with.
could be the dog catchers party for all i care.
ron paul 2008
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Have you ever read George Washinton's writings?
Whether you like it or not, his writings often mention Christ's name. it is what many of the founders believed......besides, RP's supporters will "soften" them up :-)
They don't really sound very
They don't really sound very Constitutional to me.
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Nope, but it sounds good.
Nope, but it sounds good.
yea, you should meet some of
yea, you should meet some of them. I was working the RP booth at a county fair in Ohio, and the Ohio Right to Life was a couple booths down. One of the CP members was manning that booth, and he came down and talked to me a couple times, and told me that only Christians should be eligible to run for office in this country because this is a christian nation.
We are talking kooks here.
I have been ponder this
I have been ponder this also. Even a failed nomination attempt means he get alot of face time.