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America Has A Morality Problem, Not A Gun Problem

Our government justifies murder every single day.

We’ve been at war my entire life. We’ve been at war for the majority of my father’s life. We’ve been at war for the majority of the existence of this country. This country doesn’t just co-exist with violence, it promotes it. It profits off of it. It uses it as a tool, not just politically, but economically. If you haven’t heard the term “broken window policy”, look it up. It’s the notion that if something is destroyed, there will be an economic gain from rebuilding it. That’s Keynesianism and Keynesianism is the main economic philosophy that runs this country and the economies of many of the other western countries.

It is a violent philosophy in nature and through it we justify military spending and military raiding. It’s what we do and it’s what we teach kids. Falsely attributing economic recovery and prosperity to war time. I learned that in the 4th grade. “What got us out of the Great Depression, kids?” “WORLD WAR II!!!!” The class would answer unanimously.

If you teach kids that war is profitable and that money is the key to happiness, people will support war so long as they perceive it as a means to make their life wealthier and happier.

And it works. When I was young, I bought that message hook, line and sinker. I’m not brilliant but I’m no idiot. Yet it sounded reasonable to me, the correlation was there and the logic made sense, at least to a child it did. But it was all a lie. I won’t get into it here, go read Bastiat.

Through the propaganda of pushing war, we also justify murder and violence. How many protests and outcries do you hear when we drone an entire village of children in Pakistan or Yemen? Or when we drop a few bombs on a wedding or a funeral in the Middle East? It happens all the time and we just shrug our shoulders and move on. It’s acceptable violence and through that acceptance we become numb.

Then there’s the ultimate propaganda wing for violence; the media. News, movies, video games and even toys profit off of violence. News channels can’t get enough coverage of murder, war, school shootings, hostage situations. Just watch the news and count how many serious positive stories they tell and how many violent stories they tell.

Then go to the movies or watch a television show. Violence is everywhere. Just look at the list of biggest movie blockbusters. Look at that list, almost every one of the Top 10 movies center around violence or war. Think of some of the most famous actors or characters in American cinema history; James Bond, Rambo, Terminator, Darth Vader, all hyper-violent murderers.

Then go to Toys-R-Us and take a stroll through the toy section. Soldiers, guns, fighting toys, it’s like a plastic military bunker in there. Whatever happened to building blocks and engineering toys? Even Legos have added guns and lasers and swords to every set. Then walk into the video game section. Modern Warfare, Battlefield, Halo. “Kill, kill, kill, murder, murder, murder.”

And we wonder why we have a violent society?

People want to blame inanimate objects. But that’s what we like to do in America, blame others. We blame guns for murder just like we blame role models for our lack of parenting, we blame the successful for our own shortcomings. The problem is our own society and how we shift the blame from the responsible party to their choice of weapon.

I own 5 guns myself, never had to use one. We keep one at the family store where we’ve been robbed at gun point 6 times over the last 10 years, once with shots being fired. Luckily, never once when a family member was there. Not sure how I would have reacted if I was but I do feel safer knowing that if I or someone from my family is there, they have some sort of defense against the criminals.

There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country and tens of millions of gun owners. The majority of which go their entire lives without using the gun for crime let alone thinking about doing so. If guns were truly to blame, we’d have 80 million murderers living within our own borders. The law abiding citizens have guns and want to keep owning guns because violent people have guns. Criminals have guns. Governments have guns. Police have guns. The 2nd amendment is there to level the playing field. We have these rights and they are defended in the Constitution to allow law abiding citizens the ability to defend, deter and defeat violence, criminals and tyrants.

Children are dead and that’s the worst kind of tragedy. However, the gun isn’t responsible, the gunman is. 22 children were stabbed in China by a man this week, while none of them died, 15 children have been killed since 2010 in that country. Evil people will do evil things. Murderers don’t need guns to kill just like terrorists don’t need guns to kill just like drunk drivers don’t need guns to kill. Someone woke up this morning and decided they want to kill children. If you don’t see some sort of physiological issue there than I’ve wasted my time with this post. Someone who is willing to kill children is willing to do a lot of inhumane things, even in the absence of guns. There is a problem with his morality and his mentality.

Guns and gun owners aren’t the problem, it’s how they are used and more importantly who they are used by that’s the problem. Dig deeper than that and you’ll find that the real problem is how the American society promotes the same behaviors through war and media which end up causing us the greatest anguish.

We are violent and irresponsible and more importantly we are delusional and unwilling to get to the root of our problems, the morality of this country.

You can’t legislate violence out of a society by outlawing objects or even actions. If that worked, we’d have won the “War on Drugs” 50 years ago. Just as how prohibition didn’t work in the 1920 and it actually increased usage along with illegal activities and violence, gun bans won’t work. You can’t change the morality of people through the passage of laws, if that worked, we’d have empty prisons and a Utopian society. But clearly that doesn’t work seeing how we have the highest prison population rate in the world and we still can’t end the violent culture of this country.

We have some serious mental health issues in this country and no one is willing to do a thing about it. The mental capacity to justify killing children, whether it be a citizen or our government, is a serious issue that goes beyond the existence of the gun. When we see issues arise in a person, we are afraid to talk to them, get them help or confront them, just like we are afraid to parent our own children. We see the all the signs that a person isn’t right and most of us choose to walk away from the problem instead of resolving it. If you see someone who needs help, help them or get them help. It’s that simple. Don’t walk away thinking they become someone else’s problem. Society’s problem is everyone’s problem. You can’t walk away from these things and how that they disappear.

This morality problem is an issue that is at the very base of our societal roots and it’s one we have failed to address. Change can’t come by force or by legislation. The people have to be willing to accept that change. It has to be an intellectual change. We need to teach our children, hope that the learn to become moral citizens. We must condemn violence regardless if it’s perpetrated by a local crook or by our military and government. There are no exceptions to morality, violence is violence. Murder is murder. Don’t try to justify it and don’t teach others to ignore it.

America has a decision to make, especially with the rise of mass shootings and the call for gun bans across the country, are we going to finally solve our morality problem or are we going to deffer the blame and ban guns?

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Risk managment: limited resources and collateral damage

Organizations only have so many resources, so they spread them around to maximize profits and minimize risk.

The government decided the violent crime risk was low enough to only warrant locked doors and such at this school. Putting guards at every door would be too costly and put other areas that need them at risk.

Even with this incident (if it even occurred), putting guards at every door would be too costly and expose other risks. They will still do something like that for show, but a couple years from now, those precautions will be removed.

And from a country perspective, this incident doesn't push the up numbers high enough to warrant changing anything. Not guards in schools, not gun law changes, etc. The government and the MSM know this so they shouldn't react the way they did. However, they also know how freaking stupid people are and thus use this childrens' snuff story for profit.

NOW THAT'S IMMORAL. Thus it is the intelligent powers that be that are immoral...not the ignorant stupid masses...unless you classify being ignorant as immoral.

Phxarcher87's picture

It's the ....

gun that is the problem

just like the fork, it makes people fat..........

oh and pencils too, they contribute to bad spelling........

James Madison

America has a morality

America has a morality problem, all right.

But it also has a gun problem. As in people not being around, properly armed to defend their kids. And not teaching their kids to properly use guns to defend themselves.

The low cost, personal firearm, by "making all men equal", contributed more to the environment that for a brief moment of history let liberty flourish, than any other development.

But, for it t be useful, people need to know how to operate them; and versions of them suitable in today's age at that. And, honestly, also be willing to use them, should the situation warrant their use.

Bending over and pretending that the self promoting slimeballs that comprise Massa Gommiment will somehow help one out, just because that's what the man on TV says, only result in having oneself enslaved, and, sometimes, ones kids killed.

Thanks for reading

This piece got a lot more attention than I thought it would, between here, reddit and tumblr, I can't possibly reply to all these comments. I just ask that everyone keeps the liberty movement going. To quote Penn Jillette “Is there any way we can solve this problem with more freedom instead of less?”

Read more my stuff here: http://sugashane.tumblr.com

Again, thanks for reading.


Close the indoctrination centers.

Problem solved.

Agreed, but keep in mind that

Agreed, but keep in mind that not only schools but even more so the mass media are the indoctrination centers. So get rid of your TV, if you are still one of those laggards who own one.


Very well written.

Well written Shahe_B. I agree.

I would add that the drugs being prescribed to little children these days is also a big factor.

They are just being kids, but then some psychiatrist comes along and says they have ADD, or depression or some other "disease" and gets them on drugs like Lithium, Prozac, Zoloft, Ridalin etc.

It's been proven that the side-effects of some of these drugs cause suicidal behavior in young adults (IT'S EVEN ON THE WARNING LABELS).

These side-effects cause some more susceptable kids to seriously contemplate these things.

My theory: After they decide on suicide, many probably don't want to die alone, so they reason that they'll take other people down with them because misery loves companay - all the way to the bitter end.

Couple my theory with yours, and we have a recipe for disaster after disaster.

End the wars, end the drugs and these incidents will stop I believe.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

A review article

This is a review article about antidepressant drugs and irrational violent behavior:


It is useful because they also have data from Britain. There are other links out there pointing out school violence episodes in Japan, Finland and Germany associated with these drugs. I guess something to think about if a family member is on them and you have firearms.


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Oh my god

The drugs they hop these poor little children up on are ridiculous. Just let them be kids for god's sake. I worked as a tutor in an elementary school for a while. I was there specifically to work with "at-risk-youth." The majority of the students I worked with were on some kind of med for this that or the other thing thanks to huge pharmaceutical company lobbying. I know people that were on med for ADHD when I was in elementary school, a lot of them have severe addiction problems today and other more disturbing mental issues whereas if they would have just let an 8 year old boy be an 8 year old boy without doping him all up he might be a functioning happy and healthy member of society today.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Wow, good write up. I just

Wow, good write up. I just noticed this and I posted something on my fb page today that is very similar.


Morality lost, morality found.

There would be no more mass murdering as soon as there would be no more drugs that cause it. It's not the guns, the education, the food, the moral degradation, the lying politicians, the glorification of war all together. These contribute, but the administration of the drug pushes the vulnerable over the top. Prescriptions for psychological substances permeate all of these horrible acts. Finding the way back to morality begins with a choice to stand aside from 'school medicine', goes through a path of relearning, and ends with sane people once again.

Broken Window "Policy"

The correct phrase is Broken Window Fallacy.

Here is a link to Bastiat's essay for those who are interested.


Now I'll add my two cents.

Obama weeps over the children who were killed in this massacre. Does he weep over the children and innocent bystanders who are killed as a result of his drone attacks?

Yes, we are a country whose leaders are murderers and who have killed a lot more children than the deranged gunman in Connecticut.

The 60 Minute interview of Madeleine Abright by Lesley Stahl still haunts me.


To Austrians, it's a fallacy,

To Austrians, it's a fallacy, to Keynesians, it's a policy.


Madeleine Albright

Madeleine Albright is a psychopath.

How can the blind lead the blind?

You say that "We need to teach our children, hope that they learn to become moral citizens." But how can parents who are morally illiterate teach children how to be moral citizens in a society and with an education system which are morally depraved?

I do not believe that this is an intellectual challenge except in a proximate sense. It is a spiritual condition and it is not being addressed by the Christian religious community that is ostensibly responsible for the spiritual condition of a society. Yes, they are seeking converts to their religion but they are then making them twice as ready for judgement as they are themselves. For example, Glenn Beck is perceived as an icon of the Christian religious right and is on record as stating that "America is good". In saying this he wins the support of millions of American Christians who support the killing and maiming of millions of people who have done nothing to them whatsoever. They do this in the name of America the good. They also fervently support the Jewish State that is culpable of the oppression and murder of their neighbours in the West Bank and Gaza. This doesn't even address the diverse ways in which they have prostituted their faith in order to make money all the while condemning to a fiery hell for eternity all those who do not believe in the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ that they themselves have denied by their actions.

Let me say this as clearly as I can. Such actions and beliefs cannot escape an adverse judgement. The one that is called the devil or satan is an instrument of the wrath of God and carries out the decisions of the Divine Court. He is also the accuser or prosecutor of "the brethren" i.e. the Christian community which comprises "the people of God" in this present age. He brings accusations against God's people in the Divine Court and receives judgements against them when they are in apostasy as they are today. He then carries them out. In this regard it is true that God Himself is the author of evil since it is by His authority that these judgments are executed according to His Law.

These judgements then fall upon the societies in which the people of God reside. The Christians have a responsibility to stand in the gap for the people amongst whom they live but here also they have failed. They complain about the moral depravity of their societies without realising that they themselves are the primary cause of the depravity. "My people perish for lack of knowledge says the LORD".

Hosea 4:1 "Hear the word of the Lord, O children of Israel, for the Lord has a controversy with the inhabitants of the land. There is no faithfulness or steadfast love, and no knowledge of God in the land; 4:2 there is swearing, lying, murder, stealing, and committing adultery; they break all bounds, and bloodshed follows bloodshed. 4:3 Therefore the land mourns, and all who dwell in it languish, and also the beasts of the field and the birds of the heavens, and even the fish of the sea are taken away.

4:4 Yet let no one contend, and let none accuse, for with you is my contention, O priest. 4:5 You shall stumble by day; the prophet also shall stumble with you by night; and I will destroy your mother. 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge,I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children."

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Fastest way to deprogram

Fastest way to deprogram false doctrine is to show it isn't Biblical.

The Bible does not say man is basically good. It's false doctrine that blinds men to be simple, gullible, and prone to not watching wolves.

Glen Beck, mentioned above, is a Mormon. When someone preaches false doctrine in your church, and is citing cult leaders and followers, its quick way to point out the whole thing is wrong to show that.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I wasn't aware that Glenn Beck was a Mormon.

However it does not detract from the fact that he is an icon of the Christian community. Whether his religious affiliation would make any difference to his fans is doubtful. Many Christians do not connect their faith with their politicians or entertainers when it comes to choosing their leaders or idols. He also speaks to their belief that their country is "good". In other words he echoes much of the false doctrine they have been taught.

I agree with your assertion that the Bible teaches that man is not "good"; he is born in sin and shaped in iniquity. For the same reason it is foolish to state that "America is good" as Glenn Beck has done and with that statement as I have said many millions of Christians appear to agree.

The churches are awash in false doctrine some of which I alluded to in my comment so it is actually impossible to change the minds of most Christians about what they believe even when one can show from scripture the falseness of that belief. Most Christians believe what they believe on the authority of their church teachings rather than on the scripture. This can then be reduced down to a "statement of faith" which becomes the litmus test for differentiating amongst the manifold denominations. I call it "beliefism. What it is is spiritual sloth.

I remember when we were living in Inverness (in Scotland) we went to a Baptist church on a few occasions and I gave the minister an exposition from the Bible on the doctrine of hell. This proved beyond any doubt the falseness of the orthodox belief of eternal punishment and the true teaching of the apostles of the Restoration of All Things. After reading it (I assume) he gave it back to me with the comment written in it that Church doctrine was established and therefore could not and should not be questioned.

So, there you have it Max. The fortress of established church doctrine is unassailable and her ministers guard it jealously. Mormon doctrine or what I know of it appears to be quite wide of the mark although I am no expert on the question. Nevertheless there may well be individual captives within the Mormon fortress who have a a real living relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ just as there are in every professing Christian denomination. Our Father always has His remnant people scattered all over the world whose lives are hidden with Christ in God.(Colossians 3:3) These I believe are the true Body of Christ, the sons of God who will be manifested to the creation in due time. (Romans 8:18-25).

The message to all of them today is “Come out of her, my people, so you will not take part in her sins and so you will not receive her plagues, because her sins have piled up all the way to heaven and God has remembered her crimes. (Revelation 18:4-5)

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

It detracts quite a bit that Beck is a Mormon

It detracts from it quite a bit that Beck is a mormon. Either make the tree all good or all evil.

Glenn Beck is not an icon of the real Christian community. Anyone that says that needs to get notice from you that you are separating yourself from them as well as him because of it.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

I believe we are talking at cross purposes Max.

You say Glenn Beck is not an icon of the "real" Christian community and I would have to agree with you. My observation does not concern the "real" Christian community if by that you mean the true worshippers of the Father. Glenn Beck aside, are you saying that the evangelical churches do not believe in and support the idea that "America is good" and the "war on terror"?

However the original point I was making has been lost in this haggling over Mr. Beck and that is a pity. The point is that the spiritual condition of a nation is the responsibility of the Christian Church. If the salt has lost its saltiness then it is fit only to be thrown out. This is what I believe has now happened. The LORD has rejected the Church at large and is working with His remnant sons and daughters who have obeyed His urging to leave the harlot religious system and cleave only unto Him.

I do agree with you that the message to all true worshippers of the Father is as quoted by you above from 2 Corinthians 6:14-18:and as I quoted in my prior comment from Revelation 18:4-5.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)


War is to be perpetual, never to be won. Just to keep the public in a constant state of fear. Then the government is perceived relevant.

But how did we get to this point of descending morality?

Divide and conquer. The family has been divided. By 'Education' ... become perpetual students of state curricula through college .... FEDERAL STUDENT LOANS have divided and conquered family. It is the number one asset of the Federal government: http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/short-d1.1.1.html http://www.consumerfinance.gov/blog/too-big-to-fail-student-...

Unfortuantely, we're in

Unfortuantely, we're in someone's utopia...

ytc's picture

Yes, our government not only justifies murder every single day.

It GLORIFIES torture, murder and lawless extra-judicial assassination power. Our government encourages its people to remain intoxicated with the illusion of American POWER dominance.

Thanks for this excellent post...

I think you know the answer to your last question. Our gov't will take the easy way out.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

The glorifying of unjust war, (pre-emptive strike strategery...

--intentional misspell) and the double standard of paying Planned (un)Parenthood taxpayer dollars for 'educational purposes' (thus freeing their money for abortions), then paying poor mothers to have more children are two of the most hypocritical things our government does. Lies are told in both cases to justify evil done by our government. The removal of our liberties so we can fight 'with freedom fighters' in other countries is also.

'To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical'~~Thomas Jefferson.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15


also, the government has lead the way in devaluing life. When the gvt. kills innocent men, women, and children it is called collateral damage. This country really has gone to hell.

Well Said.

What you say is all too true. I believe it starts with the way we teach and treat our children, as a society. Education is arguably the most important thing a society can do for itself, and ours is the biggest debacle of all time. I heard that 1/5th of Americans can't find the US on a globe. Is that true?
I saw a model try to speak to that statistic once, and with her rambling, painful answer, she proved she was one of those 20% and further, that she probably didn’t know what a globe was, although she was clear that the poor starving children of Africa needed our attention. :)

Just open the box and see

It is so sad that it is funny...

or so funny that it is sad?

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

I exist in a super position

between laughing and crying.

Just open the box and see