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Police "Disclose" Second Rifle, Then Coronor Reports All Wounds Came from a Rifle.

This posted on behalf of long-time and respected poster James_Madison_Lives who has been banned from posting by Johnsonite mods with no reason given.

By James_Madison_Lives

It was originally reported that Adam Lanza brought three weapons to the school: 2 semiautomatic pistols and a .223 Bushmaster rifle, the latter of which was found in the back of the car. Police said Lanza had used the rifle to kill his mother before driving to the school.

ABC News, Dec. 14th:

According to sources, Lanza shot his mother in the face, then left his house armed with at least two semi-automatic handguns, a Glock and a Sig Sauer, and a semi-automatic rifle. He was also wearing a bulletproof vest.

Lanza drove to Sandy Hook Elementary School and continued his rampage, killing 26 people, authorities said. He was found dead at the school. It appeared that he died from what was believed to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound. The rifle was found in his car.

Washington Post, Dec.14:

A law enforcement official — who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is far from finished — said Adam Lanza fatally shot his mother in her home, then drove in her car to Sandy Hook Elementary.

He had two semiautomatic pistols and a .223-caliber rifle, law enforcement officials said. He apparently used only the handguns, which were later found in the school. The rifle was found in the vehicle.

Soon after police "disclosed" the presence of a second rifle. USA Today reports on Dec. 15th:

The suspect, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, committed suicide following the shootings. Two semi-automatic handguns were found near his body. Authorities said they had found a .223-caliber assault rifle in a car, but had not previously disclosed a second rifle Carver [the coroner] said was used in the shootings.

Also on Dec. 15th ABC News reports the coroner's statement that all wounds were caused by a rifle:

"All the wounds that I know of at this point were caused by the long weapon," [the coroner] said...

Police have not stated to whom the second rifle was registered, nor explained why the second rifle was not disclosed in the first place. They have said the initial three weapons were registered to the mother. Slate.com on 12/15 said:

The two semiautomatic pisols and .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle Lanza used in the shooting were registered to his mother, whom several witnesses identified as an avid gun collector.

Authorities have also not commented on the man who was chased into the woods and taken into custody, with the chase captured on police helicopter video.



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deacon's picture

watch these vids!!



If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Cliff notes please

for those who cannot watch vids on their slow connection/crappy computer.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

deacon's picture

both these vids are the same

both show an apparent dad,joking and smiling
then when it is time for the camera to roll
he tries to cry,he actually goes from smiling
to try actual tears, he is standing there in front of the camera
making himself try to cry and making his voice all nervous,but there are no tears
he even had to read from a script,like it was
wrote out for him

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

I've had someone respond to a comment I made online

that the gun found in the car was a Russian made Saiga AA 12 with a barrel clip. Utter disinformation, the AA 12's available in the U.S. can't be fitted with the barrel clip, and besides the fact the barrel is unavailable in this country. The laws were already written up and ready to pass, Feinstein and Bloomburg are chomping at the bit, anybody wish to wager that their next atrocity is committed by a veteran? I fear the time to cut bait or fish is rapidly coming. We will soon see who is full of rhetoric as opposed to those who will fight for this nations freedom's. One last thing, I've noticed a trend that is very disturbing, the most virulent gun control supporters are also the most rabid abortion supporters. I guess slicing up a baby with a scalpel or crushing their skull is acceptable.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

if by "barrel clip" you mean

"drum magazine" - would that be this?


or, if not, you meant what??

"the AA 12's available in the U.S. can't be fitted with the barrel clip, and besides the fact the barrel is unavailable in this country"

I was responding to what I read

First off the Saiga is not an AA 12. Different animals. I don't believe the Saiga is available to the average citizen in this country and doesn't come with a barrel magazine.
The AA 12 is quite an impressive "delivery system" and does come with a barrel mag. I find my self fascinated with the finned sabot round which is a small grenade. Definitely would be on my wish list for home defense but I don't foresee it being available to any but law enforcement or military. Sorry if I seemed a bit confused at first, I've seen the videos and really didn't pay that much attention to detail. I do find it amazing that they can manufacture barrels that can handle the kind of heat generated by rapid fire of a 12 gauge. I have an 1100 Remington with a smooth bore modified choke on top of an extended tube that holds 10 shots which you must leave cool off after emptying.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Keep your eyes on the Las

Keep your eyes on the Las Vegas airport. In the Dark Knight Rises, there are several ticker-tape referances to the airport along with Sandyhook.

Im still on the fence a bit on this, but if the next shooting is there, I think i'll be convinced. Especially if its by a veterin or "libertarian."

Will make a mental note!


Release the Sandy Hook video.

Jefferson's picture


sure what is being "officially" reported as to the type of shotgun (provided there actually was one) but it sounds like you/they might be getting two different types mixed up.

First there is the AA 12. It is an American made, semi or fully auto shotgun that is only available to the military. (who knows by now it may be available to Blackwater types as well) But as far as I know, they are NOT sold to the general public.

Then there is the Saiga 12 which is a Russian made weapon that is imported as a sporting model that uses a magazine. The weapon can legally be converted to a pistol grip as long as it is BATF 922r compliant. (basically means it has to have a certain amount of American made parts on/in it)
Here is a pic of an "unconverted" Saiga 12
Video of a converted pistol grip Saiga 12

You can not have a full auto Saiga (or anything for that matter) unless you have filed all the paperwork and paid for the tax stamp.

BOTH of them can use a DRUM style magazine holding up to 20 shells.
(IDK what a "barrel clip" is)

I was wandering around the other day

And landed on an ATF website, that particular tax stamp is very pricy. Not to mention any application places you directly in their cross hairs.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

They were definitely referring

to the AA 12. To quote " a 12 guage shotgun with a barrel clip". I'm waiting to see if they change the story to claim he had the grenade type cartridges. It's incredible just how gullible the masses have become and the animosity they extend towards any one who tries to tell them the truth. I must have been called "paranoid" 15 times today while trying to explain the medias and Government's agenda of gun control.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Jefferson's picture


is making these claims?
They don't seem to know the difference between a magazine and a clip.
If they're claiming it was an "AA12" then that is highly suspicious. Either that, or they haven't a clue as to what they are talking about.
It looks like they are trying to describe a DRUM magazine. Anyway, I'd be interested to see what the latest version of the story is. I haven't been following it that closely.
Do you have a link?

It was one of the mutitudes

of comments on the propaganda outlet HuffPost. This is the way they get a snow ball rolling. Whether they claim it was a street sweeper or an AA 12 really is irrelevant, it is the inconsistency of their claims which should be viewed with suspicion. First the shooter is found with two handguns and an AR 15 in his auto, that information was provided for a day and a half, now we have claims that all kids were murdered by the AR 15 and some type of shot gun with a barrel cylinder was found in the auto. The kid was also reported to be wearing body armor which would make me wonder why he would commit suicide. Typical disinformation program and the masses are buying into because they want to believe.

There are no politicians or bankers in foxholes.

Notes on trends

I found and read an old book called The Lost State of Franklin. This book was written before the word "conspiracy theorist" became a popular method of shooting the messenger.

Shooting the messenger is an age old method of censorship: see Jesus for one example.

These methods, or trends, are not news.

In the old book called The Lost State of Franklin there was a small report concerning the practice of white people dressing up as Indians and then those white people dressed up as Indians are seen by witnesses as those white people dressed up as Indians slaughter families of white settlers who are settling on the Frontier during those early days of this country of white people on Indian lands.

So the trend here is for the people who are on the side of doing any evil thing needed to get what they want are resorting to evil things, like shooting the messenger, and false flags.

Why is that new to anyone?



Would you wear a bullet proof vest if you were going to commit suicide? It seems like someone who takes the extra precaution of putting on a bullet proof vest is planning on at least *trying* to make it out of there alive...

Ron Paul convert from the Heart of Dixie

Another mis info by the media

He was NOT wearing a bullet proof vest, but military/poloice style clothing it has been found out.
When the feds are invloved, we will NEVER know the whole truth and they will make sure of that!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

So, you're looking for rational, sensical, orderly thought

from a guy who went to a grade school to gun down a bunch of 6 year old kids, for no particular reason?

Good luck on that. Tell me how it works out for you.


You guys are trying to find a conspiracy here? Get a new hobby.

Extraordinarily Blatant Cover-up

of something. You don't find that intriguing?
There was definitely a man captured in the woods, and a report of another in custody in the parking lot. These were live shots.
Why was there no follow up on these two men in the MSM? At least an "oh, well, it was just an MIB, lurking in the woods for an entirely unrelated purpose, we let him go", or something. ;)
An arrest or detainment of ANYONE in the area at that time is highly significant.

Just open the box and see

You guys are completely paranoid

So - what... another false flag? Was WTC7 involved somehow? Did they look for thermite?

Yes - a person was apprehended in the woods - had on camo and dark clothes. The cops grabbed him. So - you jump to the conclusion that he was involved?

This was chaos... not a traffic stop.

They locked down schools all around the area - they didn't know what was going on. Was that part of the plan?

Where the cops in on the plan?

I mean it when I say you are paranoid - you are looking for a conspiracy in everything.

How can you not be?

Pearl Harbor, The Gulf of Tonkin, JFK, Martin Luther King, Jr., Bay of Pigs, 9/11, Iraq "weapons of mass destruction". Need I go on? Or, were those just isolated incidents and they don't do things like that anymore?

Also, since the capture of the man in the woods was caught on tape, it seems pretty obvious that the first cops on the scene were NOT part of a plan. ;) Where is the follow up about that capture? Why are they punching the "lone crazy" story? In any real situation, the media would be all over that, and, even if he was innocent, he would be dragged through hell first. I say again, ANY capture or detainment is HIGHLY significant, especially one the media is ignoring completely.

Just open the box and see

Dont forget Northwoods

Dont forget Northwoods

Halt, Halt, HALT, I say!


No reply? LoL Don't you think innocent victims would run TOWARD uniformed officers for protection instead of running AWAY from them? LoL ... No reply, eh? Have many times do you think the officers shouted "halt" to the "escapee" on their way to the woods? No reply, eh? Any INNOCENT victim would have stopped a LONG way before reaching the woods with cops close on his heels. I just laugh hilariously at those poor fools in denial of the obvious FACTS showing another PARTICIPANT in the crime attempting to ESCAPE from the COPS while running into the woods. Hardy har har

Not to disagree

But, it's not uncommon for underage drinking parties to have a "runner" outside of the party as a guard. If the police show up, the runner takes off running, so as to be clearly evident to the police. The police seeing a runner can't resist, they take off in pursuit thinking the kid has drugs, alcohol or something to hide. The kids at the party simply walk away, drinks in hand.

You are so smart, you'd probably run...

... since you think the cops are somehow complacent in the whole thing.

Innocent people run from the cops all the time... it is just what their instincts tell them to do.

My guess about the guy in the woods? He heard the shots, threw on some clothes and made his way to the school to see WTF was going on. Cop sees him, tells him to halt - his instincts take over and he bolts. They grab him, cuff him, question him, and let him go.

I don't watch many movies - so I don't really know what you think happened.

"you think the cops are somehow complacent in the whole thing."

Yes I do (and I think you mean complicit).

Any of them that are in the Fraternal Order of Police are FREEMASONS and NOT to be trusted. They are part of the NWO.

Remember the incident not too long ago where the handcuffed kid supposedly committed suicide in the back of a cop car? Those cops were masons and totally covering up the fact that THEY killed him. And a Masonic judge will ALWAYS be complicit as well. The judge ACCEPTED their BS "reenactment" video.

LOL when a cop aiing a gun at you tells you to halt

you halt. Unless you are a pro and know that it is hard to hit a running, weaving target especially if the cop is running too.

Release the Sandy Hook video.

You guys promoting the "Lone" Gunman Theory are Delusional

A response demonstrating evasion and denial of the facts. LoL ... Yes, it was chaos, but someone fleeing the scene of a crime is likely a suspect * and you totally ignore the boy's testimony. ;)

* Maybe, the guy allegedly in "camo and dark clothes" was just trying to escape the chaos, eh? It's quite unfortunate that innocent victims weren't able to flee the chaos into the woods as well. Again, the boy was lying when he stated that a suspect was in handcuffs near the fire house, right? LoL

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