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Tom Woods on what C4L is Doing

http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/what-campaign-for-liberty-is-do...

My source was a participant at the C4L annual cadre training meeting in Florida last week: John Tate and Mike Rothfeld were featured and at the final full session Tate emphasized, without any real explanation, that C4L was to have nothing to do with foreign policy. It will only deal with domestic issues like audit the fed and will be supporting the Rand Paul agenda. Wead, Hunter, Benton and Tate are all already enlisted in the effort and are on the Rand PAC’s payroll.

http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/what-campaign-for-liberty-is-do...




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"Neo cons and mainstream tea

"Neo cons and mainstream tea party types tend to be low tax, pro gun, small government, property rights, pro life defenders"

Until they get in power that is then they vote in Prescription drug benefits, No Children Left Behind, Patriot Acts, Corporate Welfare and forget all about Pro-life because they lie. No $$$ from me C4L...

Vickie

Alot

of people who support Dr Paul used to be Neocons and the current Tea Party types.

Rand is not a Neocon, anyone saying that is brain dead if you ask me.

We need the support of these people and we need to bring them around to understanding true liberty again. That is the Goal, to educate, and then free the world. The People need to understand, and this in my opinion is the quickest and fastest way to bring them into the fold.

Co-opting is a tacitc the Neocons, Democraps and Tea party types, all use to make us believe that this is what we believe, some people will simply follow fo a while, maybe they will always follow, so we need the leaders of those followers, to be understanding liberty and the issues pertaining to it.

The Goal of the Neocons/Dems/Globalists, is to destroy the US Republic, so that the Constitution becomes null and void, It is one of the main obstacles standing in the way of Global Control.

End the Fed , End all Central Banking, Save the Republic! That is the Goal!

never would have gotten on board

Ron Paul got me thinking because he was a stalwart against the wars. If he had given into the GOP and was a compromiser he would just have been another and forgettable politician. Some one needs to be calling out or FP for what it is. C4L is being coopted.

Vickie

I'm thinking the same.

What everyone needs to also understand is that, without the fed, the current foreign policy is impossible!

Wead, Hunter, Benton and Tate are on board?

I'll catch the next train. Thanks for the warning. I used to like Wead, but then, I really wanted there to be SOMEONE in the campaign who was not a sell out, had my blinders on pretty tight it seems.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Wead Is NOT Part Of It

Tom has updated his blog:

"UPDATE: Doug Wead writes: “The information about me, published above [now modified --TW], is incorrect. I have not been contacted about this, nor have I had any conversations about it, nor was I in any meetings about it, nor was I at the event in Florida, nor am I on the Rand Paul PAC payroll. God bless the Liberty Movement.”

http://www.tomwoods.com/

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Very glad to hear that.

I'd hate to think my Wead was tainted. I lived through the paraquat scare once... ;) (Old hippies will laugh, you young 'uns will have to do some research.)

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

yep....

ditto

Wead Is NOT Part Of It

UPDATE: Doug Wead writes: “The information about me, published above [now modified --TW], is incorrect. I have not been contacted about this, nor have I had any conversations about it, nor was I in any meetings about it, nor was I at the event in Florida, nor am I on the Rand Paul PAC payroll. God bless the Liberty Movement.”

http://www.tomwoods.com/

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"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

And so it ends before it even began.

A wise man once said ,in so many words, Liberty is an edifice supported by several pillars you can not knock down one pillar of Liberty and expect the building to withstand the onslaught of tyranny and oppression.

Ah, Thomas Woods. Never

Ah, Thomas Woods. Never really citing his sources...

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

First, what is this "Rand

First, what is this "Rand Paul agenda" and second, how does C4L dropping foreign policy issues (disappointing ) relate to Rand Paul? Also, the last time i checked wead and hunter are big supporters of a non-interventionist foreign policy. Shouldn't we as Ron Paul supporters be the ones to contact C4L and let them know that foreign policy should remain a big issue?

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So first we have to lobby Ron Paul's organization

for it to lobby the Federal government, to press the issue that we supported Ron Paul for in the first place - i.e., his foreign policy?

Maybe we should just go find another organization to support, one that already supports a Ron-Paul-esque non-interventionist foreign policy.

I wonder what Kucinich is doing after he retires?

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

No to Kucinich

Just as many here (myself included) do not want to take non-interventionist foreign policy off the table, there are just as many (myself included) who do not want to take Austrian economics off the table either. Dennis Kucinich is too socialist for me.

Whatever C4L does, Ron won't drop foreign policy. His just

before this last straight talk was about it if you recall.

YAL sent me an email today about creating an army of Ron Pauls. I sent money.

I'll see how closely C4L follows RON's principles, and mine, before I send more there. But I'm not writing them off until I see what Ron is up to, next year.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul

I

Support Ron Paul first and foremost, because of his economic policy. Ending the federal reserved is the number one goal! As without it, this foreign policy is impossible.

Ending the fed is the key.

I remember getting at least two mailers from C4L

That contained a questionnaire and request for money. There were emails too of the same nature.

The questions were based on where you wanted to see c4l focus it's efforts
It went something like this
- stop the Ndaa only - send $25
-protect us from a UN gun grab only send $25
-stop Ndaa and gun grab-send $50
Bring troops home-send $25
All of the above send $75
And so on
You could vote for some or all of the issues
I tossed the mailers out but perhaps this new direction reflects what the members voted for

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Michael Nystrom's picture

Ha.

Good one.

Hm.

How do you "lobby?" How does one lobby for peace? It is an excellent question. It sounds demeaning on the face of it, doesn't it? That we have to go "lobby" for peace? The etymology, is based in having to wait -- mind you -- in the lobby, until that important person comes out from his office and deigns to give us his time.

At which point we say, "Please ma'sa. Please. Please give us peace. It is what we want."

Ha ha ha. Very funny.

Meanwhile, send $money!

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

We have to lobby only our

We have to lobby only our fellow citizens. The military congressional complex is so corrupt, that it seems that they have broken our ranks and RandPAC and C4L appear neocon-light.

My hope is that Rand will say that he "played the game with the establishment, but it didn't work," and that now he will vote as a strict Constitutionalist.

Dream on huh? :)

Thanks for your site Michael. I have noticed that you and I seem to agree on just about everything. I enjoy reading your comments and thoughts. You are a smart guy! Sorry for freaking out on you a few years ago about the policy of deleting Rand/Guantanimo threads. I should have handled that better. I still disagree with the policy of deleting threads, because we have all learned a lot of unexpected things from each other. I wonder if we had put more pressure on Rand back when he was running to be less neocon (e.g. by not deleting Guantanimo threads and thereby getting the word out via the DP), if Rand would have endorsed Romney when he did and if C4L would still be dropping the anti-war theme.

I've been worried because the site traffic is dropping of a bit more than I expected after the election. Is the neocon game to divide us working? It seems to be because in June, when Rand endorsed Romney, the hits started to take a dive. It seems that they have divided us very effectively. BUT, our 5 year campaign has educated a critical mass, so I am very hopeful. We just need Ron Paul to go back on tour again and we will be cool.

LOL

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Good point. Michael, you're

Good point. Michael, you're right, "lobby for peace" does sound demeaning. I'll be. I hadn't thought about that. You know, now I'm miffed. Forget sounds demeaning, it is demeaning. Dang, this country is screwed. Oh, well. We'll be, uh, all right, maybe, hopefully, if the stars are aligned.

Thank you for the noting the etymology of lobby, too. I didn't know it, but it makes sense. Language is vital. Language, the bridge between the immaterial plane and the material plane. (May term, the short version, continue to de-scribe its predecessor, the definition, the long version.) Again, thanks for unearthing that info nugget. Your doing that epitomizes why I love the DP. There's something to learn here at all times of the day every day. The DP is my white board of ideas coming and never really going; they stay, they're in the warehouse, available to be called on.

Once I get my blood flow restored and reclaim my health, allowing me to reclaim my life and do the work I want -- write, edit and attend school to study acupuncture then practice acupuncture with appreciation of its past -- I'll send you money, Michael. I'd be happy to.

We'll show the lobby ma'sas what we're made of. (Yeah, I know I ended my sentence with a preposition. Abiding the don't-end-a-sentence-with-a-preposition rule annoys me unless applying it clarifies the sentence. Often, it's hogwash. Anyway. So, yes, we'll show 'em.) See ya round, Michael with an ~ael.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton F. Dutton

Michael Nystrom's picture

I wish you the best

Whether the country is screwed or not isn't what is most important to focus on. They've been saying the country is screwed since it was founded! Life rolls on. The most important thing is the here and now, the life in front of you. That is what is real.

I pray that you can regain your health, whatever ails you, and reclaim the work you want to do. Acupuncture is a wonderful, magical path. Don't worry about sending money. Just get healthy.

Before we show the ma'sas what we're made of, we show ourselves - we find out for ourselves - what we're made of.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

*hat tip*

*hat tip* and thank you, Michael.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton F. Dutton

Debbie's picture

I take this with a grain of salt, because "a friend" got this

from "a participant". ..

Debbie

Kinda surprised...

...that the Randbots haven't already shown up here to vote down the voices of reason. I guess they'll be on their way as soon as they get their excuses together.

ETA: nm. It's happening as I speak.

DJP333's picture

Foreign policy

is a money making machine for some very powerful people. Ron/Rand Paul and C4L are trying to tame something that is almost unstoppable. We are not going to know why they have to do things like this until way later.

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
"Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves."

Michael Nystrom's picture

Snippy, snippy

Let's all be snippy.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.
Michael Nystrom's picture

Or to expand

At the center of this movement is self interest. That shouldn't shock anyone, should it? Ayn Rand's book is titled, "The Virtue of Selfishness," not "The Virtue of Altruism."

Ron wants to do what any father wants to do - provide for his kids and his family. Who can blame him? Why not let them cash in on his name? We're all individuals. No one is responsible for anyone else.

Aside from being an actor or an actress or a sports figure, being a public figure is how you get ahead in this game.

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.