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Tom Woods on what C4L is Doing

http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/what-campaign-for-liberty-is-do...

My source was a participant at the C4L annual cadre training meeting in Florida last week: John Tate and Mike Rothfeld were featured and at the final full session Tate emphasized, without any real explanation, that C4L was to have nothing to do with foreign policy. It will only deal with domestic issues like audit the fed and will be supporting the Rand Paul agenda. Wead, Hunter, Benton and Tate are all already enlisted in the effort and are on the Rand PAC’s payroll.

http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/what-campaign-for-liberty-is-do...

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There are no issues. There is

There are no issues. There is one issue: liberty.

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I just dont like the tone of this, but not defending C4L...

Hey guys,

I just dont like the tone of this and its going to be hard to articulate what I mean. I just hate devisiveness at such a fragile seemingly leaderless time like this. Have you ever heard of "divide and conquor"? I actually hate Tate, Benton especially and most of the infiltrating opportunists. I really do and actually I think Foreign policy is one of my biggest priorities, but I cant say that either, because Liberty, property rights, sound money, constitution and humble foreign policy non interventionism are all equal and cannot have one without the other, but I just dont like any types of "purges" either. I know you all dont, but I LOVE Jack Hunter, but completely cant stand Benton and Tate. I LOVE Rand Paul because I think he is no father, but the best shot we have and I think he will vote liberty 99.9% of the time, but if we keep dividing and end up with Jesse Ventura, well then we are screwed, Im serious. I just think that a friend that is 80% a friend is still a friend, im sorry if you disagree, but I just dont like the tone of this. Tom Woods is a hero of mine, but Im sure he is a little personally bitter over the purging he had to deal with due to that A-hole Benton. Dr. Woods is right though that if Rand hires Benton during his presidential campaign, then I will have lost hope and withhold all the money I could give, unlike I did with his senate campaign (I donated just as heavily as RP's presidential campaign). I beg my liberty bretheren that even though we all disagree (i know some of yall cant stand me due to my opinions too, although i am starting to come around on the 911 issue) on issues, please no purity tests and purges. We MUST be united to defeat the NWO. Ron Paul has consistently taught about "coalition" building and we cant do that if we are constantly dividing and having purity purges. I COMPLETELY disagree with the C4L and WILL withhold my funds if they ignore foreign policy, but I stopped there when this article was alluding that blame lies on Rand. Give Rand the benefit of the doubt and we dont know any facts if Rand is trying to ignore foreign policy and we all know for certain that Jack Hunter cant even stop talking about the importance of a humble foreign policy, so therefore we cannot lie blame of C4L's misdeeds on Jack. Thanks

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"please no purity tests and purges" is my plea as well, lordI3!

I truly think that dispersed multi-pronged attacks on neocon/ statist dragon is our STRENGTH.

C4L, RandP campaign, TomW et al can announce anything they wish to be most effective from their own perspectives. We have nothing to worry about them. There's no need to be in total control of their daily, monthly, yearly "strategic announcements".

Because we will continue to do what we know how to do well: to push ahead with each of our own inner compass intact in peace and dogged gentle determination :-)

Didn't Dr.Paul rejoin them?

Something is odd here.

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Honorary Chair

Translation: Meaningless figurehead.
I tried to tell people this before...........

do you really think Ron would

do you really think Ron would be the "meaningless figurehead" of an organization that was as impure as you think it is? Ron is behind them; there's no way he isn't. So, either Paul is a joker like the rest of them; or they aren't jokers at all.

Sorry I didn't see your reply...

To answer your question....yes. If he were hands on in that organization, he would be something other than an 'honorary chair'.
".....A Honorary chair is one of the ways of an institution to attract public attention. Usually the role of Honorary Chair is given to someone who has a very good publicity, who is important or famous in the region or the whole nation. This sort of people have connections in high grounds so they bring popularity to the institution or to that specific event.

Sometimes honorary chairs are given duities as member of boards etc. Their primary duty is to use their publicity and power to benefit this company/event but they are not directly in the administration...."

Think

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i agree

Ron Paul is in agreement with what they do. You can't focus on everything and if that is what they choose to drop so be it. It will let them focus on other things. I will continue to focus on foreign policy and will likely ignore what they are doing. Such is life. I would ignore them anyway because they are solely Republican. There is more to life that that Party thank you.

Did you ask Ron Paul this?

If not, you have no idea what he agrees with or not. As for supporting Rand, of course Ron will: Rand is his son. I, however, will not support him just because his last name is Paul. The liberty movement will move on beyond Rand Paul and C4L.

by the same token

did you ask him if he will support his son no matter what his son does? I highly doubt he would support his son no matter what. I think Ron Paul supports what they are doing because I haven't heard of anything they are doing that he would disagree with. If they started supporting wars and such I am pretty certain Ron Paul would not follow suit. On the other hand, I don't think it matters what Ron Paul does.

The Liberty movement has already dispersed into their own directions. Growth is good.

I guess I didn't see that conversation.

Thanks.

I'm going to give it some time before I make a judgement here but on the surface, this is pretty disappointing to say the least.

I'll be adding them to a long list of enemies if it's true.

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Judgement

As I find your comments so interesting, please help me out with this problem I am still reserving judgement on.

You will remember that after the last "money bomb" before the convention, Dr. Paul ask us for an additional 350k. Then after the election, we find there is still 2 million left in the campaign fund. I realize that this money could have come in after we were asked for the 350k, but why was the money not spent on the election?

Why would Nystrom and Woods (two of Dr. Paul's most vocal supporters) be snubbed by the campaign?

You know I love Dr. Paul, but, I can't stop questioning his motives in allowing these events to occur.

I think it's possible that his son is whispering in his ear

I think it's also possible that he's not in the know on everything if he relies on those snakes to get his info. Why wouldn't he rely on them? Two on them are in his family.

The man obviously has a great love for family so it's not unreasonable to expect him to be swayed by them.

Someone that has Carol's or Dr.Paul's ear could easily send a letter bringing these worries to their attentions. Maybe they've convince him that dropping foreign policy will get them in the door and since he trusts those assholes, he may try it. That doesn't mean he has given up on it.

It's just pure speculation though.. I personally need to know what's happening or my vote and money will not go their way.. I can't take a chance with my Liberty when snakes like that are at the helm.

Also, glad to see that you haven't left. :)

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Speculation

from observation - yes - I sent C4L to spam months ago.

I am also glad I am still here. The fact that I am paid forward is probably why. All the hub bub over AJ and GJ was my motivation. If I wanted to listen to AJ I would subscribe to his site. I also unsubscribed to RonPaul.com at the same time when I went there, and there was AJ.

A funny thing happened right after you went on your little vacation. Richard emailed me trying to explain his behavior twice and wanted to convince me to be angry with you. I wrote back that I was laughing my aqq off and told him that that terrible post could never have died from natural causes.

Here's hoping Judge Nap will run. That is someone I could really get behind.

"Richard" was most likely "TheGranger"

She's a bit of a snake. I've caught her in bold faced lies about me. (As the DP turns lol)

I'm glad you told me about that though and I'm glad you decided to stay. We can't let things get to us and we can't allow the people who are trying to do that, win.

I do listen to AJ on occasion and find his stuff pretty spot on, now the way he goes about it, meh.. not so much.

Here's to Judge Nap running!!

☻☻☻☻☻☻

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AhHa

also too funny!!! The Granger is the only member on my block list.

LOL

"She" went around after I left for a bit to sow a little naughty seed in regards to me. It all stemmed from that Richard Gilbert thread where she was defending him.

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Didn't See That

I did see another name on a comment, and I suspected it was Richard. I replied to the comment with "Is that you Richard? Have you come back to haunt us?" Whoever it was disappeared without a response, and I did't see him again.

LOL

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Look at the bright side

We can just become mercenaries like Benton. Instead of 'Dr. Paul Cured My Apathy' shirts, we can market ones that read 'Rand Paul Killed My Hope'......or would that be 'Rand Paul Peed On My Fire'?

Auditing the fed

Sounds awful. What a bunch of jerks.

Horrible

Who cares about that? Auditing the Fed. That is so 2008.

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No more mincing words then.

Rand is merely trying to mold his own establishment. Reigns of power too delicious to pass up. Whatever, move on from these thugs, next. We can do better than that.

I think that's "reins"

of power, although "reigns" isn't way off the mark.

Anyway, you're right, we can do better and if we don't, well...

No Surprise

I wrote C4L a 'go pound sand' letter some time ago, when it became obvious that they were the 'Cult of Rand' official front group.

No thanks.

Same here

Told them to stop wasting the money I donated to Paul on me and spend it on some other suckers.

This is unfortunate

C4L is really shooting itself in the foot. Why would they alienate their own base like this?

As one of the commenters pointed out:

"Wead, Hunter, Benton and Tate are all already enlisted in the effort and are on the Rand PAC’s payroll"

An earlier post by Tom Woods:

"Incidentally, if Rand Paul intends to run in 2016, the single most effective way he could convey to the public that he is not really serious, and that people should withhold their donations, would be to hire Jesse Benton."

F these government legitimizing thugs. All phonies.

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