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What to do when confronted by emotional anti-gun statements by the unenlightened

A friend forwarded an email exchange between herself and another friend. My friend has a concealed carry permit because she lives alone in a pretty dicey part of town where there are frequent home invasions and the occasional gang murder.

My friend's friend (let's call her Anne) didn't know that my friend (let's call her Maria) has a gun or concealed carry permit. Anne forwarded Maria an email to sign a petition demanding that Obama get rid of the archaic 2nd amendment because normal citizens shouldn't have guns.

Maria responded in a very cool way that I think is worth sharing. (I personally might have flown off the handle.)

Instead of throwing a bunch of logic and reason and facts at Anne, Maria met her where she was, emotionally speaking, and built rapport with her.

Maria started by agreeing with Anne 100% by saying things like this:

I agree with you, what happened in CT was a horrible tragedy
I agree, I'm really upset and angry and depressed like you
I agree, we all must come together to make sure that never happens again
I agree, it's time to do something that will really work
I agree, we need to seriously examine what caused this tragedy to happen

Then Maria did a reframe...after Anne said that the solution was "gun control". Maria stayed in the emotional space where Anne was and said things like:

I'm afraid because crazy people are unpredictable and you never know what will set someone off
I'm really afraid that we've already experimented enough with things that don't work, like "gun control."
It scares me that all these mass killings keep happening in gun-free zones
I'm afraid that if we keep up this dangerous experiment with "gun free zones" that even more children will die unprotected
I'm afraid of what might happen to me if I can't defend myself in my home
I'm scared that it would only take a home invader 30 seconds to break into my bedroom but it will take the police 10 minutes to get here.
I'm afraid of being defenseless if a man kicks in my bedroom door
I'm afraid for those defenseless children.

Once Anne started thinking rationally instead of emotionally, Maria staring bringing in things like:

I had to pass a background check to get my license, and I had to get trained and tested
You know me, Anne, and you know I'm not a threat to any other law-abiding citizen
Everything that happened in CT was already illegal and didn't stop it from happening
We need to figure out what really works. We've tried gun free zones but they are a murder magnet.

Maria never, ever brought up statistics or the 2nd Amendment. She met Anne where she was, built common ground, reframed "gun free zones" into a "dangerous experiment" and "murder magnet" and agreed with Anne that "we need to find out what really works, now that we know "gun free zones" don't keep kids safe.

She did it all calmly and respectfully and in the end, Anne's response (after a few back and forth emails) was "you may be right."

Please, folks, I know we are all so passionate about this topic, but the unenlightened are not our enemies. The forces of evil are our enemies. The unenlightened are easy marks for the forces of evil, so we have to build rapport and make friends with them on a personal level, respectfully and kindly, as Dr. Paul has done for so many years. He's not a hateful name-caller, so I think he's the best possible example of how to deal with people on the other side, who are sincerely angry and upset and grasping an anything that seems like an answer.




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I think the thought of protecting themselves is intimidating

It means they have to get real about some criminal kicking in their door, or police rounding them up at a checkpoint, and most of all, they have to think about death. Their death, their family's death, etc.

It's all too much for many of them.

They...can't handle the truth.

The truth is that violence happens all around everyone. Some places are safer than others, but it's happening.

Frankly, having guns isn't enough. I put up gun posters on my car and house, "Proud gun owner". I don't like the posters...they clash with my zen style. But I consider them a more effective deterence than the guns inside the house.

Heck, let's bring back gun racks for trucks!

Question about the first argument:

"Anti gun folk generally trust the military and police having guns, but think the masses are too emotionally undisciplined."

Why do you think that is, though? I mean, if most people never witness a shootout or an event where guns are used, why do you think those people think that their fellow Americans aren't emotionally disciplined if America was founded on an Armed Society?

Just tryin' to make you dig a little deeper ;)

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Please see my response to

Please see my response to Kinsjon above.

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There is only but one thing to say...

The result of gun control is obvious, 20 dead children in CT, Aurora Colorado theater shooting killing 12 and injuring 58, Chicago any night of the week, all represent what gun control advocates, a free killing field for criminals.

Also when Red China demands US gun control with member nations of the UN, and you side with the Communists as opposed to the founding fathers, it says all I need to know about you.

Always remember:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." ~ Samuel Adams
If they hate us for our freedom, they must LOVE us now....

Stay IRATE, remain TIRELESS, an

I didn't even see that...

hypocrisy in plain view. Good point, Sir.

United Nations: stay the F**K out.

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Don't marry Kathleen Gee --- Yep she's got the jujitsu tongue!

Guys, stay clear of Kathleen Gee. If she is already married we can only thank our lucky stars and pity the poor guy locked forever in that marriage. The only hope for a partner of Kathleens, is that she herself be a she, if you know what I mean; yes, jujitsu tongue vs tongue jujitsu. Even in those "she's my partner" relationships, that poor girl may not know what hit her. So stay clear guys, of kathleen Gee. She is the kind of woman who you've seen before but not quite understood. For example, you are in the middle of your Super Bowl party with all your boys, game-on, popcorn, beers, good times. Jim has brought over the latest release of that hot new video game everyone is talking about and all you guys are planing to wind down the Super Bowl with an hour of playing that. Jim is so pumped to play it but because you are his boys, he hasn't even taken the wrapper off yet. Then it happens. You don't really notice or understand it, but it happens. And it happens with 2 minutes to go in the 4th quarter with the game tied at 21-21, ball on the 25 yard-line, 3rd and 3 yards to go. What happens? Jim's wife comes over. You hardly notice as she squeezes into the couch with ya. She even screams out "power sweep! Give payton the ball!" She even grabs a fist full of popcorn. So you don't notice. Then....its 4th and inches and suddenly your TV view is blocked! You can't see. Amazingly you look up and there is Jim and his wife and THEY ARE LEAVING THE GAME! "Jim, where in the hell are you going?", you scream. And he says, "Aw well um, Nancy and I, ...blah blah. Go ahead and open the video game, I'll come back for it later"..... Yea, Jim is married to a jujitsu tongued woman. Jim is in the cage and its a velvet cage and he doesn't even know it -- hell YOU don't know it. Oh maybe once or twice you've asked yourself in the past, "what power does Nancy have over jim?". Could it be the tiny flower tat on the right ankle? Jim hates tats!. What is it? Her butt, her legs, her tits, her face? Aw, you've seen Jim with better. So you shrug, you can't figure it out. "It must be love" or something, some strange power she has over Jim. Jim, your bud since that Daytona Beach weekend when you and your boys partied so hard and you found Jim in bed with three honeys at 5am, all passed out. Jim still is not tellin'. So let me tell you what Nancy's got. She's got a jujitsu tongue! that's what she's got. And I am tellin you right now that Kathleen Gee's got one too. She's smooth. She's clever' and she will own you. You will be another Jim, so STAY CLEAR of this one boys. You don't want to mess with that jujitsu tongue sh*t. Sure, guys can have it, but check this, we don't cry and we don't have the kitty, hence guys lose. The ONLY guys, male guys, who have a jujitsu tongue and match her skills is one of those really happy happy guys who dance in rainbow parties down 5th avenue once a year, and EVEN THEN, they are likely to be "best friends" and go shopping together. So, stay clear of Kathleen Gee. (hint, if she replies to this and I apologies or even worse, 'deeply appologize', you know what happened to me) -- Treg

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Erm...

I was repeating someone else's comments for the most part.

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Seems to me

Treg wants to be in KG's velvet cage.

Great reply - she missed a zinger

"I'm afraid because crazy people are unpredictable and you never know what will set someone off"

"Actually, Maria, we have very strong evidence that it is the medication being given to "crazed people" that sets them off. SSRIs can make people psychotic and suicidal, it is in the package insert. Why do they give a drug like that to someone with mental problems already? 90% of these shooters were on antidepressants."

Want to help truth get out? Every time you hear "Ban guns" you say "Ban SSRIs." Thank you.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Thank you, sir, may I have another?

The REAL reason why the kid flipped out = SSRI's. Thanks Fishy! Keep spreadin' that good word.

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Tell the "Maria's"

If "Maria's" feel so strongly about banning firearms they should make their voices heard loud and clear by:

Placing a sign in their front yards that reads: Gun Free Zone

Placing a banner on their homes that reads: If You Plan To Break Into My Home to Rob, Rape or Murder My Family, I Am Going To Call 911

Great approach

Makes sense

I tell them I carry everywhere I go. Sometimes open carry.

A pistol on the hip usually shuts them up.

Most of these idiot complainers had their firearms training watching some kid play a game on the xbox.

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"Just exactly how is Obama's declaration he has the right to...

kill US citizens any different than what happened in Connecticut and Colorado?

Who or what is going to protect you if Obama or some other out-of-control President decides YOU are a threat to 'national security'."

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BUMP.

BUMP.

Very good post. I agree this expression of things can be very helpful. It does require a lot of self-control and patience to deal with the ignorant on such topics and resist taking shortcuts when you already know much better.

But like I always say, ignorance is excusable. We are all, first, ignorant of certain things or facts. What is not excusable and IMO not worth dealing with is grossly arrogant ignorance as a choice - a la Piers TOOL Morgan.

I am bookmarking this post and copy pasting this good advice for future reference.

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When seconds count ...

... the police are only minutes away!

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Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

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+1 DITTO !

+1 DITTO !

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