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I was wrong that 70% of mass shootings are linked to SSRIs. It is 90%

according to this article:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school...

The police can find no evidence that Adam was on medication, because they have become quite adept at not looking for evidence. From the article above:
“I know [Adam Lanza] was on medication and everything, but she homeschooled him at home cause he couldn’t deal with the school classes sometimes,” Louise Tambascio..." The source is named, but the cops can't seem to find her.

Nor can the police find this Uncle, named and quoted in this article:
http://www.nyctn.com/a376622-exclusive-nancy-lanza-feared-so...

"...according to Adam’s uncle Jonathan Lanza.

“I’m just in shock right now. It’s like a nightmare. It’s so surreal,” said the uncle, 39.

Adam, he said, was taking the anti-psychotic drug, Fanapt..."

And for some reason, this vital piece of information is left out of more recently released versions of this article.
(Edit: See reply below from damox for interesting twist on this.)

Guns don't kill people, but SSRIs do - they say so right on the label.




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Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.

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SSRIs linked to emotional distress in 85% of "healthy volunteers

http://www.whale.to/drugs/seroxat3.html

Dr Healy was given access to the archives during the Schell case and found what he considered alarming evidence of withdrawal problems. One study showed that as many as 85% of the volunteers - who were company employees with no hint of depression - suffered agitation, abnormal dreams, insomnia and other adverse effects.

From the same article:
"Last week a jury in the US ordered GlaxoSmithKline to pay $6.4m (£4.6m) to the family of Donald Schell, 60, who killed his wife, daughter and granddaughter then himself after two days on Seroxat. Two weeks earlier, an Australian judge ruled that another drug in the class, Sertraline, caused David Hawkins to murder his wife and attempt to kill himself."

And from
http://www.cchrint.org/2011/12/07/can-prozac-cause-kids-to-k...
" Therefore, the case cited below, where a Canadian judge ruled that a teenage boy murdered his friend due to being on the antidepressant Prozac, "

So, the info in the OP comes from the man who took the time to comb through the research records. His findings have been echoed by the findings in courts in 3 different countries (probably more, I just did a quick search.) The companies are paying out settlements for the damage they have done, but that is not evidence enough for those who love their drug pusher, Pharma.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

Judges and government officials are stupid, right?

Except when the agree us!

You know something like 30% of violent crimes are committed by people intoxicated by alcohol?

You know 50% of drug tests show marijuana in the system of violent criminals?

Alcohol and marijuana CAUSE violence, right?

Those big Alcohol PUSHERS! Those ignorant weed smoking zombies! Alcohol and weed interfere with normal brain chemistry!

Let's blame them for violence in our society!

By the way Fishy, did you actually read this article?

"Some other experts say scientific evidence of a link between the latest anti-depressants and homicide is thin.

“I think it got pulled out of a hat, frankly,” said Dr. Umesh Jain, a child and adolescent psychiatrist at Toronto’s Centre for Addiction and Mental health. “You could construct a weak and biologically plausible effect, but you’d have to be pretty convincing in court.”

Studies have established such drugs can increase the risk of young patients having suicidal thoughts. Their tendency to lift inhibition could also release some hostility or violence lurking in a person’s character, said Dr. Jain. Small studies like one he co-authored in 1992 have also suggested that the drugs can trigger short-term mania, especially in bi-polar disorder patients.

There is little or no scientific evidence directly linking the anti-depressants and serious violence or homicide, though, he said."

"About two-thirds of the

"About two-thirds of the alcohol-involved crimes were characterized as simple assaults."
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/

Government does not even track violent crime related to marijauna.

How many mass killing perpetrators have alcohol/cannibis in their blood?

Toronto’s Centre for Addiction and Mental health, an institute of psychiatry??? You think they would say any OTHER??? A psychiatric institution coming out and telling people, "these drugs, that btw we prescribe on a regular basis, are hazardous to our patients mental health, not beneficial"...

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Where is proof of this "90% linkage?"

Where is David Healy coming up with these numbers?

SSRIstories certainly is not proof. That site links a bunch of alleged SSRI associated violent incidences, but then often links to "evidence" that don't actually offer any proof of anything and sometimes don't even mention SSRIs to begin with.

Why is David Healy the only person coming up with these numbers?

All these new articles keep popping up, and all of them are about David Healy and Peter Breggin. And there is still NO PROOF. Just speculation.

And here is one to ponder...

Adam Lanza's mother was a "prepper."
She homeschooled.
She stockpiled guns.

DON'T YOU THINK THERE IS A CHANCE THAT SHE WAS AN ADHERENT OF ALTERNATIVE PSYCHIATRY AND DIDN'T MEDICATE HER SON?

FishyCulture, what are you going to do if strong evidence comes out that Adam Lanza was not medicated at all? Are you just going to throw it under the rug and keep blitzing the forums with different anti-psychiatry articles, or are you going to find out what made him snap even though he wasn't on meds? Are you trying to truth find, or just demonize psychiatry?

Murderers on SSRIs...

...were probably prescribed SSRIs because they were nuts to begin with. SSRIs have actually helped thousands of people who suffer from depression.

This SSRI excuse sounds very much like the "Twinkie defense," i.e. "Sugar made me do it."

No offense but,

These drugs cause mania in a CERTAIN PERCENTAGE of users. Especially teenagers. Nobody said they cause it in EVERY USER. So your personal stories on these drugs would only matter if they did produce mania or suicidal thoughts when there was none before them. If they did not, then you're not apart of the group in question. Not everyone reacts the same to drugs, especially these particular group of drugs.

People have used that excuse in court

"The psychiatric drugs made me do it."

Peter Breggin has gotten people off with murder by testifying that the drugs caused their violent acts.

I've been on SSRIs. I didn't murder anybody or harm anybody. My moral compass was unaffected.

Ditto

I can attest from personal experience that SSRI makes me less introverted, more assertive and decisive, and most importantly less angry at nuisances. I don't ever get pissed at traffic anymore, for example. In fact, I'm as laid back as I've ever been in my life. And my moral compass was certainly unaffected, having no increased wish to harm any person or feeling any less empathy.

I've never been diagnosed with depression--my doctor prescribed them because I told him I felt that I was too impatient with family members and would regretfully get angry at petty annoyances. SSRI cures grumpy old man syndrome, basically. And for just $4 a month, much cheaper than "alternative" therapies like 5-HTP supplements.

If there are people sensitive to SSRIs, then their doctors should OBSERVE this in followup visits. Prescribers need to take responsibility and titrate each patient's dose correctly, and cease a medication if it is causing adverse outcome.

It would be interesting to see a study that gave candidates for SSRIs either SSRI or placebo, and see whether there were more murders committed by those who received SSRI vs received placebo. I can imagine that possibly SSRI use would increase likelihood of homicide--SSRI can make one less indecisive, into more of an action person. And if the "action" being contemplated is murder or suicide, then one could possibly cease handwringing about it and simply do the deed. But that's pure speculation. I want to see the study that demonstrates correlation between SSRI vs no SSRI and violence vs no violence, and credible explanation of causative effect.

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Exactly

I've used them too at a time when I needed them and not once during that time did it ever cross my mind to do harm to anyone.

I'm surprised at the professing libertarians on Daily Paul who are sounding just like liberals -- SSRIs kill, guns kill, sugar kills, bad diets kill, etc. -- turning the guilty into "victims."

It has nothing to do with libertarianism

It's mostly two factions I've identified- Scientologists and the "natural" health crowd. They have intentions that run far deeper than truth seeking. They use every tragedy to demonize psychotropics and mainstream medicine.

Blaming inanimate things like drugs and guns on complex human behavior is a traditionally liberal cause. They are trying to find simple solutions and scapegoats for extremely complicated problems.

It has gotten to the point where people are so convinced that drugs cause murder that they won't even listen to any counter arguments. I can't tell you how many times I've been accused for being a "drug rep" or "government shill" on the DP. My position has nothing to do with defending government or big Pharma. I'm trying to defend science and reality.

Science gets in the way of agendas

That's the common ground between left-wing and right-wing extremists, science is only useful when it is consistent with the agenda. I'm not anti-natural medicine or anti-conventional medicine. I'm just pro-health and pro-truth. Can't trust people who have no concept of truth, but cherry pick information consistent with their pre-existing biases.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

As a psychology major nearing

As a psychology major nearing completion of my neuroscience undergrad degree, I can tell you that there are way too many drugs prescribed without proper oversight in our country. Doctors are all too willing to give out antidepressants, stimulants, and anti-psychotic drugs. Doctors do not want to invest the proper time in diagnosing patients and figuring out real causes to issues. In other cases, parents all too often think their kids need drugs and demand doctors to give it to them as well. Why do we give kids who are 9 or even younger adderall which is simply pill-based amphetamines?

Sure, there are plenty that are helped by the drugs, but I would be interested to see how many are actually harmed by the drugs and I would even be willing to say it is an alarmingly high ratio.

Thank you for posting!

And hang on to your sensibilities! I don't know how you got this far and have not been sucked into Pharma worship, but BLESS YOU and good luck!

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

"Jonathan Lanza"

There are some questions about this "uncle." Some reports indicate he may be an individual who claims to be a "lawsuit factory," and who apparently has a reputation for "punking" reporters. This individual reportedly also had a tenuous connection to the Aurora shooting. See, for example:

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/09/aurora_theater_...

Some forum participants at Democratic Underground recognized Riches' picture in a video in which he claims to be Lanza's uncle:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=10...

As a result, several Webmasters and forum Moderators have urged that references to the Riches-Lanza connection be struck pending further investigation. The New York Daily News appears to have edited out the reference in one of its articles, and the Google cache for it has apparently disappeared. Articles from the New York Magazine and Business Insider that mention the "uncle" are still active.

Thus, the "uncle" and his claim about Lanza allegedly being prescribed Fanapt (a controversial psychiatric med) should be considered suspect at this point.

Thanks.

Everything about this entire event appears to be "suspect."
Are the media goons not even verifying the identity of the people they interview?

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

It just doesn't make sense that...

no mainstream media are even talking about the medications Lanza was on. I mean, we KNOW why the MSM doesn't talk about it but wouldn't you think some of their viewers, especially those in the medical professions, would question what medication this kid was on?

It's very simple to my wife and I = crazy person who killed kids. Next step: what medication was he on? Not: what GUNS did he use?

Does that make sense? Is that logical or is that considered "conspiracy thinking"?

I just don't get people.

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

just ask "who's their daddy?"

Big Pharma buys a lot of ad space. So what do you think they are going to report about these drugs?

yep

"no mainstream media are even talking about the medications Lanza was on."

If the MSM started to tell the truth there would be millions of folks on the streets protesting.

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Thank you for the stat update!

Doesn't surprise me one bit! Merry Christmas (or Happy Holidays, if you prefer) from all of us at our house.

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Love & peace vibes to you as well Libera_me

Merry Christmas Happy Holidays and lifting of the veil for all humanity!

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Thanks! Seasonal wish of my choice...

I wish for a lifting of the consciousness of humanity. For you and all you love!
Peace, my friend!

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
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Another December day...

Another great post from you my friend.

Marry Christmas to you and your husband.

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Thanks!

And joyous lifting of consciousness to you, my friend!

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
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"I wish for a lifting of the consciousness of humanity"

Such Beautiful words.

Can I use it within some future poem of mine?

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lol!

No. I am all about liberty EXCEPT repeating words...
Of course you can. Sweet of you to ask.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
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Thank you

This coffee is to you!

P.S. have a look at my new DP signature.

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:)

:)

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