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Does Godless = Evil?

The word godless is almost solely used as an adjective to describe individuals considered to be evil. Is this use justified?

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Without a doubt

Only an unrepntant sinner would believe otherwise.


Even the evil was created by God.

And we are to thank Him in everything.


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I remember reading a supposed Einstein quote

where he was talking about the relationship between good and evil like the relationship between hot and cold, or light and dark. Whereas, darkness and cold(ness??) do not necessarily exist. Cold is the absence of heat and darkness is merely the absence of light. So, he argued that there is really no such thing as evil, but rather, simply the absence of God is what we call evil.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

There are many gods.Which one

There are many gods.Which one is the good one?
People always say mine is.
To the other person yours is evil or fake.
The way I look at it is the bible is not the word of god and I can say I am one OF the very few people who have actually read it from cover to cover.The fact is the bible has been edited and altered and it is not even closest to our oldest written history.The Sumerian clay tablets are and predate the bible by 4000 years and have very similar stories which are probably more accurate because they have not been edited or lost in translation.And You don't want to know what they say about the gods.


a.d. 57
Romans 1:28 KJV
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient

1520–30; god + -less

a. Having no reverence for God; impious; ungodly; irreligious; wicked.
1. Atheistical; having no belief in the existence of God.

a. God"less
1.Having, or acknowledging, no God; without reverence for God; impious; wicked.

1. having or acknowledging no god or deity; atheistic.
2. wicked; evil; sinful.


Crack me up!

Vote me down for quoting the Bible and 2 Dictionaries LOL :)

No, absolutely not...

Firstly, I think it's kind of silly to use the word "evil" as if there's a definite meaning to it... When people say "evil" they are usually referring to something supernatural (i.e. - the concept of "sin"). Sin is a human invention. It has its purpose (calling murder a sin is a good thing; it prevents people from killing other people). However, it's also ambiguous.

Most Christians would agree lying is a sin. So, if my wife asks me if her dress makes her look fat and I say no, even though I think it does, is that a lie? Or, to make a stronger case, pretend that my brother is at my house and he did something to make a friend of his really mad. So the friend shows up at my house with a gun and asks if my brother is home. I may respond to him, "no," in order to protect my brother from the person that I think wants to kill him. I have lied and, thus, broken one of the 10 Commandments. Is that evil?

You cannot prove that godlessness is evil by citing scripture. It's entirely circular. Every culture and every person has their own moral code. We as a society make cultural norms and we enforce those norms through the use of government. Is murder evil? Most would believe the answer to that question to be, "yes." And that is why it is illegal not only in most states, but in most cultures. "Do not kill" is not a uniquely Christian concept. I would argue that it's nearly universal.

I happen not to believe in an afterlife. This in itself does not make me "evil" (I believe). I'm a charitable person. I do my best to help others. I care for my family and those around me. I do my best to be a "good" person and to love those around me. I regard the world around my cynically and I do my best to research and learn about whatever I can. This is what led me from being brought up in a fundamentalist evangelical Christian home to becoming an atheist. I understand what evolution is. I know that the scientific evidence for evolution is absolutely overwhelming. The Earth is billions of years old, not thousands. If one does not believe this, chances are they either don't understand the science, or they haven't bothered reading the work of someone who does (I would highly recommend "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins).

To sum it up, Godlessness should not imply evil. However, for a Christian who believes the Bible word for word, they might believe that to be true. In my mind, as long as you do your best to help those around you and try to make the world a better place, it would make no difference to be whether you worshipped Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

God means Good. The absence of goodness is evil.

Semantics but the use of words to describe the human condition is extremely apropos.

This is a lie. God created everything.

It all serves Him and His purpose.

His entire creation serves His purpose, even Satan.


Depends upon how you define "evil".

If denying the existence of a higher power necessarily leads you to believing only "facts" as filtered by your ego, then that cannot be a good thing. However, it does not necessarily follow that this would result in you committing evil acts.

Depends on what the definition of 'is' is.

We murder innocent humans with drones and call it a War on Terrorism, when in reality we are the terrorist state. So we claim to do good while committing evil.

It is not simply a matter of semantics. Actions speak louder than words.

I appreciate

your willingness to consider other views! Thank you.

"Facts" being filtered by one's own ego is not bad, however, if that person is good. If there is a god, it / she / he gave us brains and egos to use... so let's use 'em! How could using your own brain, tempered by your own well-intentioned heart / soul be bad?

(Of course we are all imperfect and make mistakes, so I fully acknowledge that no one is purely good or whatever--but can be perhaps of good intent in all dealings, where a sum total of good [actions] prevails over bad.)

Question: Do you filter all of the "facts" / realities you observe through something *other* than your own ego? What's the difference? Or do you ask questions of God and actually hear answers?

(Not trying to be a smart-ass; just sincerely want to know! Thanks again.)

: )

What would the Founders do?

Depends on

This depends on through who's eyes evil is being seen'
There are surely many people throughout this earth who are not Godly, that are kind, and do many good things for others etc. and so we see them as decent people and rightfully so, but we can't see their dark heart as God sees.......

The Bible says that "ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

The Bible says that all the "ungodly" shall perish ( Psalm 1 )

Until someone who is ungodly, comes to know, believe, trust, follow Jesus Christ and repent of their sinful ways, they are seen in God's eyes as "wicked" regardless of what we may think of them, or how we may see them, for we are merely as they, that is until or unless God Himself changes our heart and gives to us His Holy Spirit so that we see things more in His Light and thereby live for Him and come to hate OUR sinful ways.

You can downvote this all you want, it doesn't matter a whit to me,
but by doing so, you would be rejecting what Almighty God the One True Living Judge ( and Saviour ) has told all mankind.

"Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

There IS mercy and forgiveness if you seek Him with ALL your heart!

Time is short....Eternity is not!

Think about that

Peace everyone

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Absolutely not.

I reject that stereotype with all of my being. It is implied though, IMHO. I know many Christians who believe that not having a belief in God= no morals, and that= evil.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

Does Godless = Ungodly?


Gotta remember this bear

"No man can serve two masters"!

We either serve the Lord Jesus Chist as Master, or serve the world and the things of this world as master.

There is NO in between or riding the fence for anyone.

God wants our heart, our whole heart!

Let the world say what they will about us TRUE believers and let us keep on our earthly path looking unto Him, following Him who has made us whole and righteous in His sight until He comes!

Our journey is soon to end and our eternity of joy will have just begun!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Hi Brother Holbrook

Thanks sister!

I take a break from here now and then.

Thanks for letting me know! :-)

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Yes, I have found myself

Yes, I have found myself doing some other things of late as well. I have spent much of my life around Believers and from time to time hatred here directed at the Lord Jesus Christ and God who I love, is more than I wish to bear and also I find it somewhat frightening and bewildering and sad.

I understand

That is exactly why I take a break from here often.

We have to remember that folk here are just like anywhere in the world when it comes to believing the Way the Truth and the Life.

There will always, only be a remnant who are His and who will believe.

All others, will mock and scorn us as they did He, even as He fortold us, but we are to rejoice in this for even so did they to the prophets that were before us, and therefore we rejoice for our reward in heaven is great.

Let us keep them in prayer that by His grace and mercy, some still might be saved while it is yet the day of salvation.

Love you sister bear!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

What About me ?

I wish no connection to ANY religion I only wish to serve Liberty. Liberty is my GOD and that is what I serve.

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

You and me both,

my friend.

I respect people's beliefs in any of the deities of what I call the Great Pantheon (God, Holy Spirit, Anubis, Zeus, Isis, Shiva, Jesus, the Buddha, Allah, Yahwe, the Sun, etc. etc. etc.) when such beliefs motivate them to seek and embody Virtues: such as Justice, Honor, Liberty, Love, Sincerety, Sacrifice, Forgiveness, etc.

But I go straight to the Virtues, myself. These are my religion. Sans all the tangled contradictory mythologies, gods, goddesses, and the like... and all of the magnified human negative junk that seems often undetachable from such systems of belief: like prejudice, the lust for control, hypocrisy, willful ignorance, irrationality, pseudo-science, violence, close-mindedness, fear and hatred, etc.

There is too much hard work to be done for the advancement of Justice here in reality--and too little time in which to do it--for me to expend energy, emotion, or thought on religious matters. The truth is: I'm quite acquainted with reality, the human condition, etc., and I don't need to search for metaphors and trivia from legends, religions, and so forth in order to connect with / make personal / be spiritually involved in / understand the present.

(No disrespect to anybody. But by definition I am godless... and as opposite of evil as I can possibly manage to be--as flawed a human as I am. We are ALL "the goodguys" here, folks. Perhaps we will all be surprised as to where / how we meet "on the other side" / after this life--if we do at all. And if there is no other side... well, what's to be afraid of? There is certainly no pain, boredom, or horror in nonexistence!)

What would the Founders do?

I'll tell you what Jesus said

He said that if you serve any other god, or thing, you will have all the pleasure and all your reward ( whether it be much or very little ) in this life, and in the life to come you will stand before Him guilty in all your sins.

Then judgment and sentencing for " It is appointed to men once to die, and then the judgment".

Why not seek Him today, while you still have the breath of life in you and the opportunity for salvation.
Liberty here, is very short, and maybe shorter than we know.

Life for you or me may be even shorter.

There's an eternity to come...where will you spend it?

Make your peace with God today, ask Him to open your heart to truth that you may truly believe and be saved in Jesus' name.

I pray you will!

"For what does it profit a man if he should gain the WHOLE world and lose his soul"


" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Liberty must take the day ... nothing shorter

Once more I stand before the most righteous with but a simple statement
There is no GOD but LIBERTY.

I have spent the past 25 years absorbing the misinformation and disinformation that is called religion. Then thru the prism of LIBERTY I ask the the question that should not be asked.

My conclusion - All religion is a FARCE

LIBERTY answers all questions. You may not like the answer you get yet it is the truth.

Ask yourself ANY question about anything in this plane of conciseness and IF you answer it with LIBERTY you will have the answer that is right by all concerned.

I say with all the fervor I can muster PLEASE do not burden me with the yolk of your religious beliefs. Leave them far from me and LIBERTY for we do not agree with you.

As I will not assail you with my belief system I ask you to RESPECT LIBERTY and not assail me with yours.

I think therefor I am Sovereign Forever

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!


"Godless" is a necessary part of true spiritual growth. One must reject everything they learned by rote, then re-educate themselves using their ability to employ logic and reason to what they learn. (Most religion is indoctrination of children who are biologically incapable of "logic" when the conditioning begins.) It does not mean "rejecting" anything, just deliberately examining it with adult eyes. To truly reach the place where one has a "personal relationship" with the Creator, one must at least examine the possibility that there is no God.
"Godless" is a phase, some people remain in the phase their entire life, just as some hold to the indoctrination of their childhood their entire life. Most people, if they were truly honest, would admit they have questioned the existence of God. Most religious people fled from the thought out of fear of eternal damnation for even thinking it. Those who push beyond that fear and examine it closely get to know themselves better, and often, well enough to realize that they were never "Godless" after all.

As for evil - I reserve that for those rare instances where people deliberately inflict harm, without regard for anyone but themselves. It generally only applies to politicians and media whores, as near as I can tell.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Thank you

I cherish the many years I was an Atheist.

LL on Twitter:
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15


down-vote my work right now so I will hold my answer until you my friend help me out a little bit.

LL on Twitter:
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

The one...

The one thing humans have done that has lead to more death and misery than perhaps any other is thinking that going to war was what their imaginary friend in the sky wanted.

The most vial, selfish, rude and overall rotten people I have known all profess to be Christians while my agnostic and atheist friends are, for the most part, just the opposite.

Enough said.

thank you for making me think about this--

I have no answer, but when I hear the word "Godless" I don't think of atheists--

I think of someone who pretends to know God and does things that are counter to God--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

The scriptures also say that

The scriptures also say that everyone is evil. Every person with one exception and even when Jesus was asked this question, "Good teacher?", Jesus answered with another question, "Why do you call me good? God alone is good."