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An Elegant Case for Martial Law at Schools

A lot of us see the Sandy Hook incident as a reason for government to promote and implement gun control (perhaps not a planned conspiracy, but certainly opportunistically 'not letting a tragedy go to waste').

But it could be used to promote expanding TSA/DHS agents to the roughly 100,000 schools we have.

That would be a dandy way to condition the next generation of citizens to get used to living under martial law. Twice a day during 15 developmental years, children would get to pass through a government check point with some person in a uniform, gun, badge, cap'n crunch epaulets etc., showing paperwork, maybe putting their lunch box through the screening device, etc.

They could do this without much of a public debate. Nobody would have to scrutinize the 2nd amendment. The liberals could cheer it on, the neocons could hold their gun rights (for the time being).

Plus, think of the job creation the President could tout! 100,000 new, high-paying government jobs with the snap of a finger!

(I have no facts - this is just a made-up idea that dawned on me after reading the NRA post.)

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Holy cow, my thoughts exactly!

In fact one of my last comments proposed this idea.

Everyone's demanding a solution from our government that is more than happy to oblige, almost besides themselves. And history shows the solution is not likely to err on the side of protecting liberty.

So how perfect would it be to continue getting the right all worked up about gun control and then suddenly whip out TSA/DHS as the recommended solution from O's "task force". Conservatives and gun owners will be reeling from an elated daze over keeping their guns before they realize what just happened.

And as far as liberals go... Heck you're already mostly there. You're absolutely right, all that's needed to tie a bow and send it home is tout what a boon it will be to the economy.

*wipe hands* Done & DONE!

If men are good, you don't need government; if men are evil or ambivalent, you don't dare have one.

In their thinking, yes

"The liberals could cheer it on, the neocons could hold their gun rights (for the time being)."

The second half of that sentence was unnecessarily hyperbolic. True neocons represent only a very tiny percentage of American gun owners.

It would be be hard to argue that your hypothetical development could NOT happen. Indeed, it's consistent with contemporary Establishment thinking - namely, focus on the minutiae and turn the science of risk management on its head. Political agenda, rather than science, drives public policy.

But a "TSA/DHS" solution won't work, because at some point during the day the children will need recess, and virtually all public schools conduct recess outdoors, where children would be exposed to potential external threats. If another tragic event subsequently occurred on the playgrounds, what would be the next level of escalation? Huge new structures for indoor recess? I should think that even ardent public school advocates would become increasingly uneasy about escalation. After all, it was a bit of a surprise that *librarians* objected to federal law enforcement interest in profiling suspects based on their library activity.

And given the excesses of today's regulatory and enforcement environment, what happens if a child somehow gets on the "no fly" list and can't enter school? Don't laugh - the probability of eventual occurrence is greater than zero. You just *know* it's going in that direction. This development would create troubling new dilemmas for the State...and troubling new "solutions."

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Please post spontaneously more, you're pretty good at it.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

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i hope they do put armed guards at the schools.
let the kids see first hand what theyre gonna get if they dont wake up.

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I think You are dead on!

You are wright!

This is part of the hegelian

This is part of the hegelian dialectic:
problem reaction,solution.
And it's working people are asking for more police state measures.
Like schools aren't already prison-like.
The only solution is armed teachers,private security and a well armed citizenry.

Much political discourse appeals...

...to the Hegelian dialectic for its basis. If people returned to appealing to Aristotelean dialectic instead, we'd all be freer and safer.

Cuimhnigh orm, a Dhia, le haghaidh maith.

We already have that...

I'm a teacher in CT and I can tell you we already have that... They're called School Resource Officers. Just police officers that walk around the building and make sure that nothing is getting out of control. I feel safer having one and I wish that the school in Sandy Hook had had one... I think that a lot of you are missing out on how teachers are feeling through this. We feel vulnerable in a way that we haven't before. We look at our school's differently now. We worry about the doors that have broken locks, when we didn't a week and a half ago. We worry about procedures for making sure everyone's safe...

But either way, I think this isn't a place for DHS to get involved. The local police are doing a phenomenal job keeping us safe (they were in today to go over security procedures with us and make sure that our building is safe in the case of a threat entering the building). As usual, we should keep control with our local governments in this matter.

Questions for a teacher.

I'm not a teacher and haven’t been in school in a long time. I found school, at that time, to be tedious, mind numbing and boring, and I can say I have retained very little of what I learned there. I can only imagine what it must be like now.

What would you say to the statistic that 1/5th of Americans can't find the US on a globe?

The decline in education over the last 20 years seems obvious to me; can you shed some light on this? When I went to school, some big ones and lots of them (military brat), we did not have the issues they have now. I was robbed at knife point several times, by people that did NOT attend the school.

As a professional teacher, do you have any thoughts on home school? Do you feel that more authority and rigid structure would help school?

Are teachers feeling that vulnerable? Just from outside sources, or from the students themselves?
If it’s outside sources only, wouldn’t better door security only be effective enough?

What are your thoughts on teachers carrying guns? Not that you should be forced to, but allowed to?

I really am curios why we need cops and metal detectors in school now, when we didn’t before. I attended some pretty rough schools.

Just open the box and see

Thoughts on Modern Public Education

You can take this or leave this, but I think that accountability is required on all parties in order to have a successful learning environment. When you went to school 20 years ago, you were accountable for your learning and, if you didn't do what was required of you, you were failed and/or stayed back. That isn't the case anymore. Students are not allowed to fail. If they don't do the work, they get sent on ahead. Meanwhile, many parents don't care that their children are failing their courses...

When you allude to "more authority", I think you're hitting the nail on the head. The school doesn't have any authority anymore over the behavior of the students. We are not allowed to remove them from the learning environment. The only way a student can be removed from school nowadays is by being violent towards other students and/or staff. And even that isn't enough sometimes.

MOST teachers that I know are hard-working and spend a good amount of time outside the classroom prepping for school. As a science teacher in an urban district, I usually end up buying most of my lab supplies, since there's no money in the budget to buy those things. Everyone is focusing on accountability for teachers, but I believe that without additional accountability for parents and students, it's a pointless endeavor.

As for the vulnerability that teachers are feeling, I think it's amplified by our proximity to the recent tragedy. I can't speak for teachers across the country. But with what happened less than 3 miles away from where I live, it really hits home that "it could happen anywhere".

And as for teachers carrying guns, I would love to. But I do worry about all the other teachers out there. If there was a very thorough screening process, it wouldn't bother me. But it does add a lot of variables. (Suppose a student were to overpower a teacher and take their weapon, for instance... There are plenty of emotionally unstable students in kids nowadays.)

As for homeschooling, I think it's important that the parent attempting to homeschool is properly educated themselves. It may be fine for the elementary grades, but there comes a point where a parent's education may not cut it. There's a reason teachers (at least in CT) are required to have a Master's degree. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thank You

Thousands, actually, but I'll spare you.

I would agree that teachers should have much more authority over the discipline of the students; the PC world has gotten out of hand.

The decline of education is obviously a complex issue, with many facets, with the decline in parental involvement being one of the most important, IMO. The reason for that decline is a whole can of worms all on its own.

I do believe that most teachers are hardworking, and sadly, many are required to dip into their own meager salary for supplies, as education budgets are always the first to be slashed.
For one of the most important things a society can do for itself, ours seems to largely ignore it.

I do see much of this as government involvement. Letting them decide curriculum, attendance, or anything about education is akin to madness. If there is Federal money for education, it should be provided with zero strings attached. Each state, city, or district should be able to decide what’s in the best interest of the specific children they are in charge of.

An article here on DP talks about a piece released by a Routers reporter which has very deep implications to school and education, and I find it frightening.

http://www.dailypaul.com/267192/gun-grabbers-call-for-re-edu...

I have only recently learned about some alternatives to traditional education. Many of them do have some very strong concepts. The idea that you don’t teach children to walk is a powerful one. They teach themselves, with encouragement and guidance only. When they are done trying for the day, no amount of cajoling with further the standing /walking process.

I was reading before kindergarten because I insisted on being taught.
I probably would have been diagnosed with something and medicated, if I were 6 years old today. I simply recall being bored quite often. Until I learned to appear interested, I had some difficulties. ;)

I do recall one class with only 7 students. Common class size at that time was 25 to 30ish. We had the pleasure of having a stellar teacher for that one also. I doubt any of us will ever forget “Mr. K” ;)
All the students participated eagerly, even a couple so called “trouble makers”, and we were a close class.

One last thing, Thank you for being a teacher. In my opinion, the most important job in the country.
A teacher’s salary should be at least equal to a congressmen’s salary, teachers are WAY more important. :)
(I hope you’re not an English teacher {blush}).

Just open the box and see

Canadian schools already have police in the schools

BTW having a COP in the school is different from having ARMED GUARDS. The cop is a local guy and does not present a feeling of MARTIAL law. Now maybe this is a step in the direction of martial law for the USA and could be used as you have said to brainwash obedience.

50 Toronto high schools to have police presence
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2009/06/29/toron...
"The program was the result of the Toronto District School Board's plan to increase school safety following a 2008 report on school violence by Toronto lawyer Julian Falconer, who headed a school community safety advisory panel established after the fatal shooting of Jordan Manners at C.W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute in May 2007.

The report made more than 100 recommendations, including buying sniffer dogs that would seek out guns in student lockers and other hiding places."

watch for it

I had the same thoughts.

I kinda wish ...

you never posted that. If the Goons didn't have the idea before they defiantly do now.

Truth be told I find no fault in the way you lay it out ... elegant is the word

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I'm sure

they are defiant enough to already have the idea.