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Does DP stand for "The Daily Paranoid"?

Wow... what happened around here?

When a top post calls for the public display of dead children to prove that they actually are dead, I know I have to move on.

I Hope that crowd continues to hate Rand Paul - and I hope he keeps his distance from them... we don't need the stigma they bring to the movement the next go-around.

I seriously don't want to be associated with this site - and I think it is a tragedy that a site (formerly?) dedicated to the philosophy of Dr. Paul has been essentially taken over by what I can only consider as the mentally ill.

It isn't that such stuff is posted that bothers me - but that such stuff draws such great support... I would expect our community to bury such stuff, but, instead it is accumulating the up votes! Either the sane ignore such posts, or we are outnumbered.

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Yes...

And you can't go to Safeway and set up a lemonade stand in the aisle, therefore it is anti-free market, right?

wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson

wrong.

Just because an analogy CAN be used improperly or dishonestly in an argument, doesn't mean that any time an analogy is used, it's false.

You're saying that the DP is somehow anti-market because at the DP a system of "government" that resembles democracy, rather than the "order from chaos" model, is used. I'm pointing out that by that standard, any private business enterprise is anti-market, because it imposes its own strict, stifling rules....Any store only allows you to buy and sell on their terms, they will object vigorously if you say things that other customers find offensive, or if you're shoeless or shirtless, etc., etc....If you just judge Safeway by the rules imposed when you're on the premises, it's absurdly anti-individual, and anti-free trade.... but that's not valid, of course, because you can shrug and walk away.... Precisely the same with the DP. It's rules and organization scheme are offered for you to partake of or not. The fact that you can walk away and start a competing enterprise, or partake of someone else's offering, is where the market function is at work, not in the way this or that web site is set up.

I never

I never meant to imply that the DP is anti-free market. I simply don't like the comparison between the vote system here (ups & downs) and a free market. That was my point. I was simply saying that the vote system on the DP is more of a democracy than a free market. It's more of a mob mentality not a market. And thus, it is susceptible to error.

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson

Cool.

I probably didn't slow down enough to get your whole point, and maybe vice versa. Anyway, I see the conspiracy theorizing as an important--maybe the most important--part of the liberty conversation. If it tends to dominate the conversation on a liberty site, I see that as a valid outcome resulting from the free exchange of ideas the web taken as a whole offers....if people leave the DP because of it, that might put a damper on the spread of conspiracy stuff within the liberty movement, and that would be valid too. Just no way to say for sure how it will all fit together.

And, on the original point, I definitely don't think it's valid to categorically state that conspiracy stuff is harmful. It could be the conspiracy stuff that brings in the most young people, even if it does alienate older folks. Young people are probably more useful to the movement in the long run, so the worst thing to do may be to limit conspiracy theorizing...Just no way to know what leads to what. All I'm saying.

that's actually an interesting point

There are no exchanges happening on this site, thus the activity on this site cannot be described as a market.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Eh?

The market is the exchange of RESOURCES. The time and energy put into ideas are very definitely resources. Ideas that people respond to or take the trouble to vote for, or whatever, gain credibility by having someone expend resources on them. The fact that people come to the DP to argue or discuss issues is the selection of this site in the pretty pure market environment of the Internet....if people stop visiting this site because it's overrun with "conspiracy theorists" that is very definitely the market at work too.

Not exactly

Not every idea is of equal worth. However, on the DP the mob rules. So an idea, even a bad one, can get up voted. However, in a free market, there are consequences to bad products. The market will eventually not let bad products or services stick around. That is simply not the case on the DP. I'm not trying to single out the DP, it's really no different than any other site like this.

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson

So...

How do you know what is a bad or a good idea? Or a good or bad product or service? Is there a watertight objective standard you can give?

It's not that simple

It's not that simple. But there are some basic things we can use to objectively weigh ideas against each other. One can never take the subjective out of it completely, but that is why it's fun. Some objective criteria we can use:
1. Is the logic sound. A logically sound argument or idea is superior to one full of errors. There are many logical fallacies. Do a quick google search and you can read about them. Many, many people's post (including mine at times) fall into a logical fallacy.

2. It is truthful. What facts is the idea based on? What is the source. Not all sources are equal. Just because some guy said so on some blog somewhere is not good enough. In the same way that many DP users are skeptical about government stories, I am skeptical about the things you post. Your sources are often questionable at best. Your facts are often vague and imprecise.

3. Has it been peer reviewed. This means, have other people who are qualified reviewed the idea and agreed that it is sound. While everyone can give an opinion, there are those more qualified to do so on certain subjects.

Anyway, these are some ways we can measure ideas. This is kinda what we did when I was in grad school.

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson

Right....

And for each one of those there are endless subjective viewpoints regarding what standards THEY ought to conform to. I'm not saying there isn't objective reality or that the scientific method isn't the proper approach to things, I'm just saying there are too many variables when you get to certain things, such as organizing people's choices and behaviors, for a one-size-fits-all approach to be valid.

fair enough

I can agree with that.

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson

No, silly, it stands for double penetration

Duh

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Gilligan...

Blow smoke out of your blow hole and get lost. If you have a problem with people asking questions it's personal problem you have. Take it up with your boss and maybe re-assess the station you chose in life. The world will continue to spin out of control with tools like yourself claiming some sort of personal importance to directing order out of chaos.

Any people or nation born with intelligence, but refusing to use that intelligence, are meat on the table, by choice and consent.

"Give a man a gun, and he could rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he could rob the world."

Don't let the door hit you on

Don't let the door hit you on the way out bud. We are free thinkers, not zombies who move on every word of the state run news media.

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

I would like to add...

I would like to add... Since when are close casket funerals common practice? Unless every kid was shot in the face, it would seem suspect that nobody has seen the bodies???

It sounds like conspiracy, but these are legitimate questions. seriously... How hard is it to fake something like this when there are only a handful of people that have seen anything? throw in some parents who are acting and case closed.

Just watch this and tell me THIS GUY just lost a kid...
you don't laugh and smile, then seconds later pyche yourself up to talk to CNN about your dead child.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urrRcgB581w

If "they" can fake something as big as big as the events of 9/11... It's no stretch of the imagination that "they" can fake something like this.

Tools of war are not always obvious. The worst weapon is an idea planted in the mind of man. Prejudices can kill, suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has an everlasting fallout all of its own.

every funeral i've ever been to

have had closed caskets. None were shootings or any type of facial injury. Been to around 15 in my life.

I'm sure you'll be missed...

I seriously don't want to be associated with this site

So basically what this tool is saying is "either start censoring people or I'll leave."

I do not believe this guy is genuine. I believe he's a paid govt troll who's job it is to sit at a keyboard all day and debunk anything that isn't an "official story" - he's already said he believes the "technical details" of the 9/11 commission report - including WTC7.

Problem is this tool doesn't even know WTC7 was NOT EVEN MENTIONED in the 9/11 report.

Then he links the post (therefore advertising it) that he supposedly had a problem with... and proving he is NOT a TRUTHER and is in fact a LIAR stating that I'm calling for the PUBLIC DISPLAY of dead children which is FALSE.

Your paranoia is showing again...

I'm a government paid troll? Sounds like paranoia to me.

I'm not calling for any censorship... I'm just amazed at the ilk I'm keeping company with at the Daily Paul. I'm surprised that the community isn't 'self-censoring' such topics by voting them down.

You are calling for dead children to be shown to you. Anything else is hearsay in your eyes... One DP member states that they have a friend that was at one of the funerals - and you reply "Please provide links to this information - don't just SAY it. What is the source of this information?"

What else would satisfy you? You don't want articles/pictures/links/witnesses... you want to see the bodies.

Another DP member posted that they live very near the 'go to' funeral home in Sandy Hook... and they beg you to stop this crap. You never replied to that post... well, I guess you should be ashamed.

And finally - in your post that I cite in my original post... you state:

If you're going to down-vote this post without commenting so we know who you are... when you look in the mirror KNOW THAT YOU ARE A COWARD and an EMBARRASSMENT to me and a lot of others here that you would ever call yourself an AMERICAN.

Well vinceableworld... who is the coward? I post with my real name... who the hell are you? A punk is all. A punk hiding behind a handle - calling people names - calling for the public display of dead children. You are an embarrassment to the movement - and that is the point of my original post - I'm embarrassed to be here.

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sounds to me like you understand EXACTLY what dr. paul taught you and are now seeing the confusion the liberals throw into the mix.. by being.. well... liberals..
and youve had it and must move on to avoid getting stuck in the mindless drivel that goes on here.
i dont blame you one bit.

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@(*&%(@#!

Damn you just owned him! Well spoken. I'm embarrassed as well. I have tried to speak reason and logic into most debates but it just get "censored" by the DP trolls. If you don't agree with THEIR opinion then you are a government paid troll and you are a coward and you hate liberty, blah blah blah. I'm sick of it as well.

"Be a listener only, keep within yourself, and endeavor to establish with yourself the habit of silence, especially on politics." -Thomas Jefferson

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owned whom?

the DP trolls? who are they?
name names?

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Paranoia is an

Paranoia is an understatement, Bill.

A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.

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check out his prior posts

Antagonistic. Wants us to be sheep - not happening.

You have to take the good with the bad on the Daily Paul

Personally I just ignore topics like the one you mentioned.

I usually don't vote them down unless they are trying to be deliberately deceptive. If the posters intentions are genuine then I say let them have their say.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

SHO

DO !

It stands for the "Daily Paul"

Look up you dumbass.

No, it doesn't

It stands for Peace, Gold (AU), Love.

And calling people "dumbass" only serves to reenforce the OP's point about people here being overly hostile toward those with a different opinion.

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It's not just the conspiracy theories

Which I think can be healthy to an extent. It is the hypocrisy also. I have heard people here complaining about a knee jerk reaction from the left when it comes to the topic of guns, but that is what I got here when I simply asked what the difference between an assault riffle and another weapon is. I got a knee jerk reaction that included a lot of vicious remarks that made no sense in regards to my original post.

I read an "everybody should hate the NRA post" the other day and people were jumping on the GOA bandwagon instead. Since I know nothing about either, I simply stated maybe another association would be bad also, but that got downvoted a decent amount. It was an over reaction because people here cannot stand the fact that they might be contradicting themselves from time to time.

Everyone here is an expert and they have lost their manners. I never thought a place to talk about Ron Paul, a man who stands for peace could be such a hostile place.