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A moral Dilema: Do you have a moral obligation to bankrupt a murderous and corrupt government?

If you know your govt is:

1. Murdering innocent men, woman and children across the globe.
2. Funding Terror.
3. Impoverishing a planet
4. Causing untold death, starvation and poverty.

Do you have an obligation to starve it of funds?

Perhaps you have a moral obligation to leave the country and stop contributing to its tax base?

Perhaps you even have a moral obligation to take as much welfare as possible, hastening its collapse?

What are your thoughts?

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Aye

At the same time though, making the transition to a lifestyle that does not (or at least, drastically reduces) fund these acts isn't exactly an overnight process.

I try not to tell people what they 'should' be doing, rather I show them what our tax dollars are used for, and let them decide for themselves.

As far as taking welfare, I could very easily take all sorts of handouts, but I won't. Ever. It's not my money and I don't want it, nor do I need it. So, I don't agree that people are morally obligated to go on welfare, quite the opposite.

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It sure is a good goal and project

To focus upon and work in that direction. Its a win win win for you and everyone around you. Its a freedome movement. The new retirement plan is to not need FRn and submit to the extorted theft system as little as possible.

sovereign

Yes.

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The contradiction, is that "they" are trying to bankrupt ....

the state as well.

I know why, but it obviously must be a very incomplete solution.

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Who decides what "Corrupt Government" is?

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INDEED.

He is a WAR CRIMINAL and it is a shame he has not been tried as such.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Thou shall not steal.

What is the moral obligation when an extortionist/Theif, steals from you. Is it immoral to submit. Submission only attracts the theif to return for more rewards.

Tax is immoral extorted theft.

The response is the same as you should respond to any other of this type of seemingly impossible situation.

For example dealing with a drunk. You cant talk sense and you know the drunk is out of their mind. You only have 2 options, Knock them out, or Get away from them. Now if the drunk is very large and powerful option one may not be the best choice.

So, enlightened disengagement was the weapon of choice for the leaderless revolt of the Rothschild crime cindicate that had enslaved the world with false compounding debt creation used to institute a immoral extorted theft submission program, called tax.
When (soon) a critical mass show that disengagment from corporate entities and goverments is the answer to a free, quallity life for their families and children, there will be a mass exodus from the Crime bank control humanity will see a wonderful era. Soon.

sovereign

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YES....

....to all of the above.

When it comes to the "moral responsibility" question....I perk up like a young bird dog.

YES....indeed,

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Are you Nancy Pelousi?

What are you doing here revealing your agenda?

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Are you Newt Gingrich?

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~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Are you a Democrat?

As a Ron Paul RepubliCAN, what the article suggests, is exactly what we are fighting against when we say, "RESTORE THE REPUBLIC", IOWs STOP the Democratic Agenda that is destroying this nation through bankruptcy, police state, eliminating constitutional protected rights and rigged elections.

Newt is with Clintons'/ Nancy; so how or why would you link me to Newt? That we are both Catholic? If so, why not Santorum? I can tell you why I did not and would not support, without being FORCED by a loyalty oath, to any of the NWO Republicrats, Democans, RINOs and DINOs, that operate under global government protected corporations under the UN Agenda.

While you seem to be stuck in 911 fantacy land, which the rEVOLution addresses as a FOREIGN POLICY subject, you have your agenda to destroy the USA based on your 911 inside job / hate America, rather whine than actually get in the game and fight to RESTORE THE REPUBLIC. Like Newt and Pelousi, you'ld rather destroy it, and for what? What do you have to replace the Republic? A NWO? They do.

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No...I am quite a REPUBLICAN you f-u-c-k-i-n-g idiot....

But no mind...why not just revisit my presidential voting record since I have been eligible for voting:

Reagan Bush Bush Dole Bush Bush McCain Paul

And yes, 9-11 was an inside job, you CIA disinfo agent scumbag....and there is not a damn thing you can do about that salient, disgusting fact.

I might add that 3000 Americans were killed because of that day and then twice as many of our troops were killed because of that day...and then many many MANY more tens and hundreds of thousands of family members were impacted because of that day....and THEIR VOICES DON'T COUNT in this search to get to the TRUTH???

Are you f-u-c-k-i-n-g kidding me???

Their voices don't count? Are you scared of it???

NOT TO WORRY....the TRUTH will outlive your sorry-ass existence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

But no mind.. LOL right.

We don't share the same voting record. And since "Paul" was not on any ballot as a Republican, your record went from Republican to nothing. Mine went from LP/Indy AKA Nothing to Republicans with Romney, who fought hard to lose.

Saying 911 was an inside job is like saying "cake mix comes in boxes", and then you can discuss all the possibilties of boxed cake mix as if that's going to bake the cake, or bring justice.. but you;'re not interested in justice.. rather, destroying America, or being a useful idiot to the destruction of the Republic.

The truth is there are many truths and "inside job" is just another misleader to delay truth and justice.

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The only useful idiots...

...are the ones who refuse to look at the evidence

And yes, well, you better DAMN SURE BELIEVE I am interested in justice....and TRUST me, we will eventually get there...with or without you (probably without).

As far as "destroying" America...in the sense that, according to the Declaration of Independence, that whenever any government becomes destructive of the ends of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
...it is the "right of the people to alter or abolish the government, and reinstitute new governments that best effect their safety and their happiness."

So, yes, you are correct that I want to "destroy" the current corrupt, tyrannical, fascist, neocon government that has a stranglehold on our Republic.

But I LOVE my country. One can HATE its government (a government that murders its own)...yet LOVE ones country.

But I have two (TWO) operating words for you, that will become the two most talked about words in the 21st century:

CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq3wPOvhjp8

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

And the evidense leads to what?

Nothing.

Controlled demolition. OK. Where's the justice?

I once had a copy of a Gourmet magazine.. I think it was August 2001. In the travel section was a little cartoon of the twin towers with a plane flying into the building.

The story was about the beautiful Petron towers, the newest tallest building on Earth at the time, and how the WTC appears to be the boxes the beautiful Petron towers came in. It explained that the WTC was a white elephant in America's living room.. 80% unoccupied, perpetual whirlwind or tornado of trash switled between the buildings, fueled from the offshore winds. The WTC was becomming a symbol of the death of America globally, marking America's peak, which was a controlled demolation for a NWO. The WTC had to go.

The WTC occupied exceptionally valuable land owned, operated and protected by the Port Authority.. at the time Clinton was Senator in NY, her husband Bill, owned a foundation there that occupied buildings near the WTC. Frankly, I don't think Bush had a clue.

I don't believe it was an inside job, I believe it was an international job and the Americans involved are protected from doing any justice because of theire estemed possitions globally.

And then came "The Damnest Finest Ruins".. a great documentary about "The San Francisco Earthquake", that points out, SF had many earthquakes, and fires were not unusual, the Mayor and Crime Boss were under indictment and were to be arrested the morning the quake hit.. the quake had the Mayor call the federal government for help, and that's when the dynamite arrived, and they blew up SF, and 37 National Banks, filled with gold and silver.. Los Angeles was built, and the nature of corporations changed, from short contracts, to unions with government protection, and a federal bank to insure there was no competition.. least we forget the long history of trade between China and the Pacific.. we don't know the truth on that either.

Excuse me. I have enjoyed conspiracy theory for decades. My favorite is Jesus being the son of Cleopatra and Ceasar, Joseph was the child of Cleopatra and Marc Anthony.. I like this one best because it's the root of all modern conspiracy theory, in what it hides, how it hides, it the wide open.. amazing.. and so many folks into 911.. are so way off the mark.. controlled demolition. Yep.

Symbolic in every way.

Wasn't it interesting how during 911, Argentine collapsed? Who knew?

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You can keep your psy-ops paid disinfo agent head in the sand

....on this one....all you like.

Or if you are just another participating neocon who has his head in the sand....either way...

The rest of us will examine the evidence...and figure out who the perpetrators are.

Again, there are two operating words for the 21st century:

CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

Now we have to figure out whodunit....with or without you.

(From what I can tell, probably without).

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

By all means

be a hamster running in your 911 wheel of controlled demolition..

Some of us know who done it because we don't waste our time with controlled demolation evidense as a ends of a means. It wasn't an inside job. END THE FED.

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The only hamsters in the wheels....are the people

.....who believe the so very trustworthy official US government account (the Government would never lie, would it?* sarc/off) and parroted by the state-run media, as to the "official" account as to what happened that fateful day.

Actually, they are not hamsters running in the wheels. They are sheep.

BAH BAH.

Not to worry.

Despite people like you...who are, by extension, obstructing justice by accepting the Government's official account as your personal lord and savior...despite people like you...the TRUTH will come out.

The TRUTH...is like water. It can not be stopped.

* Example of a government lie: The Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Later declassified, it actually did not happen. A complete fabrication. Yet it was used to expand unconstitutional presidential war powers...and it was used to drag 55,000 American young men (some of them against their will)...to their deaths!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Merry Christmas

"The Truth will come out".

The truth is out.

Jesus is my personal Lord and Saviour, and today we celebrate the birth of the Lamb of God who takes away our sins. I am a sheep. At least I do my best to be a sheep. I was raised by wolves, government wolves, now dead, but that war drums over friendly fire continue to roll on into the future, one conspiracy after the next.

next next next

what do you suppose the next 911 will look like? Ever notice how many of these kinds of things never get solved? Think you can solve it waving signs?

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I reject your FAKE Merry Christmas "wish".

I would think that Jesus, as" your personal Lord and Saviour, " would be concerned too, about the mass murder of 3,000 people....plus the doubling of that number of troops killed because of that day.

Innocent people are dead.

And thousands of them.

Wow....what to do with that dilemma.

I could care f-u-c-k-i-n-g less whether or no you throw in the towel and give up and say that "things never get solved."

You complete, reprobate, idiotic, fucking dumbass....THAT IS NOT THE POINT.

If...and IF...you actually profess your faith...and you are the real thing...then you have a MORAL RESPONSIBILITY to the TRUTH....wherever that may lead you.

End of story.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

It wasn't fake

I see your anger and frustration and I'm really sorry, because I don;'t see how that helps you win.

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Not trying to win.

Just trying to get to the truth.

We have a moral obligation get to the truth of this massve tragic and unsolved crime scene.

No worries. The TRUTH will come out. I can assure you of that.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

The Truth is out

There are many truths, not just one truth, because truth is perspective, like the 6 blind men and the elephant.. none were correct as to what is an elephant, but all were correct, telling the truth from their perspective. That is why truth, to 911 is a rabbit hole, a path to no justice.

If you are waiting for wee the people to catch up to you, to catch on and catch up and join you in revealing THE TRUTH... most folks know the truth. So waiting for wee the people (in my case sheeple) to wake up and join your Truth is like running in place. It's not that you are wrong about 911, it's that you are wrong about how you have decided what is truth.

You say it is not about winning? Maybe we should define winning? To me winning is bringing those who are responsible for the controlled demolation to justice for the lives lost, the pain, sugffering... I imagine such a penalty is "priceless"..

It's a hell of a fight which will not be accomplished with 911 Truth blogs. 911 Truth is nothing by comparison to the San Francisco earthquake.. but ver few know anything.. it's was the earthquake, or it was the fires is what people will tell you.. It was the federal government that blew up the greatest city in Earth, murdering an unknown number of people and displacing millions.

And to this day, those same powers exist and continue to rule wee the people through corporate and government contracts.

There are so many rabbit holes like 911 Truth.. you can believe complaining about it/ "exposing" it is a solution, and more power to you.. go for it.. but I do not agree. So I'm not here bashing you, or trying to stop you, I'm explaining to you, my ideas and why I believe that Ron Paul is correct.. he employed 911 as a foreign policy isse, and this is brilliant, because this is how we can get something from 911, that we were unable to get from SF Quake, the ability to stop the next controlled demolation.

We All Believe In Abolishing The IRS...

... I do too. But, as a Christian Jesus commands us to "give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's" - Matthew 22:15-22. We are commanded to "honor our governing authorities" so as long as we live in this country, we are obligated to abide by the rules of this country.
If someone is opposed to what our government is doing to the point of not paying taxes, then leave the country because by simply living here you are indirectly supporting our government by helping the economy.

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Your post made me laugh

It reminded me how Ayn Rand quoted an US newspaper reporting about a political debate in late 1950's.

AN INTERVIEWER: "What is the main difference between Democrats & Republicans."

A REPUBLICAN SENATOR: "Democrats do not believe in Original sin."

A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR: "Yes, we do! We just do not agree on how best to implemment the policies related to Jesus idea of equality and justice."

The debt note was Caesar's but

The effort, the deal I make to expend some of my life in return for a payment in the form of a debt note, MAKES THE NOTE MINE. NOT CESAR's. Get it.

Thou shall not steal. Do you understand the meaning of stealing? Taking without permission from the rightful owner.

Submission to theives gets you more of the same.

You realy think that God ordains theft. Dont you see its not about money its about doing evil acts of obediance to Satan the Devil. The King of theives.

How can you promote theft in the name of GOD?
Amazing realy amazing.
Do yo uget paid to post? What is your motive. Are you realy defending immoral extorted theft just because they have called by a net term Tax, do you believe the lies used to justify such a immoral act as to force submission by honest people to theives?

sovereign

I Do Realize And Know The Definition Of Stealing...

...if you have problems with what the government is doing with your tax dollars get the heck out of this country. So the definition is "taking without permission form the rightful owner". By living in this country you are giving the government permission to collect taxes from your income.

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First my problem is not what the GOv is doing w the money

they extort from me and call tax. I have a problem with the fact that they think they can force me into immoral submission.
I would tell the theives to leave not the honest man who doesnt want to be stolen from. You spout the propaganda word for word, brainwashed. The government does not collect tax, the Rothschild owners of the Private Federal Reserve Bank demand collection to service the National debt that they created out of think air digitized at no cost and compounding. You need to do some studying cause your about twenty years behind with that line.

I will be glad to leave if you could direct me to an area of the earth that the Rothschild central bank gangsters have not debt slaved with false national debts and immoral extorted theft called tax collection.

Tax is not about money, money is digitized in unlimited quanities of compounding debt. Its about using false debt to justify a control system forcing humans to immoral submission on a hourly daily basis. A programing tool to force obedience.

sovereign

Ok, so you don't where to go...

... there is no place you can go and the only way to fight against the system that you named above is not to protest by not paying taxes and go to jail but rather to fight the system while paying taxes...(like Ron Paul did).

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Not true

First off you do not need to go, and there is realy no place to go, the Rothschild false debt slave system is world wide.

But if you look close these extortionists/theives do not attack you if you use a small amount of FRN.s. You go off grid you grow your own food you get your own water.

You do not have to go off the cliff, you can work to a goal and do it at your own pace. You turn you back upon these criminals who wish to usurp every bit of your freedoms. The main thing is to pass the word to those who yet dont understand, In jail your no good to yourself family or neighbors.
Dispare fear anger loss of hope is exactly what these sold out slugs would like to see in a cowaring population. Arm yourself for defensive reasons so if you are attacked in in spit of all your efforts to avoid becoming a target you can go out with a message. But its always best to avoid violence if possible.
You fight the system by being an example for those around you, an example of love kindness and genorosity. Show others the way out by being the light.

sovereign