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Merry Christmas – Jesus as Our Libertarian Friend

There are probably few better role models than that of Jesus Christ. It doesn’t matter what religion or spirituality encompasses your framework and world-view, looking at Jesus as a person, based off of a well-known book called The Bible, shows that he is just the type of guy that many households could use right now – as a friend, a companion, a confidant, and a freedom-fighter.

As people who cherish liberty and our natural rights to do things like eat the food we want, maintain control over our property (including our body), and defend and protect ourselves and our loved ones from harm – we embrace individual rights. We embrace taking responsibility for ourselves. As Michael Badnarik eloquently points out in his lectures and Constitution classes, he says “I am King” – and that each of us, as individuals are Kings. We bow to no one. We are responsible for ourselves and cherish ourselves as individuals. This is unique to most forms of governments in the world – our country is still very free.

In Luke 17:21, Jesus is talking about where exactly the Kingdom of God is, and says that it is nether “here” nor “there”, “because the kingdom of God is within you” (New International Version Bible, 1984). Stop looking around – God is inside of us, and we are the Kings of our lives. And, as Badnarik would say, “It is good to be King”.

Jesus is the kind of friend that would not cast judgment on a person – he ate and drank with thieves (thieves at that time were the tax-collectors) and prostitutes, he was nice to everyone – he loved people where they were at. Like most of us who cherish liberty, we oftentimes find ourselves preaching to others, but we respect people’s individual choices and would never use force to change the behavior of another. Love versus force – a big gap in how to encourage behavior amongst our fellow men. I opt for using love to encourage behavior – not force.

Religions use “sin” as a word to cast judgment and prove “wrongness”. In Greek, “sin” literally means to “miss the mark”. And oh, how so many of us do miss that mark. Morality is subjective – there will be no agreement amongst humankind about right or wrong – but we can all think of ways that we “miss the mark”. In America, that mark is remembering that we are powerful individuals, and that our natural rights must be intact for us to not be slaves.

Jesus turned over the tables of the “money-changers” and was a rabble-rousing truth-seeker that caused problems for “the King”. Those money-changers (like the Federal Reserve today) and thieves (like the Internal Revenue Service (IRS)) were called out by Jesus – for their robbery of the people. They were eroding the wealth and property of the people, and Jesus had enough of it. He did not lay down, he did not shut up, he spoke out and eventually his life was taken for it.

There is no better way to celebrate this holiday (again, regardless of what you believe in as “God”) than to celebrate the rabble-rouser whose birth so many celebrate. So, this Christmas, I wish to you a merry time with friends, family, pets, etc. in celebration of the birth of a man who made enemies of those who would keep us on our knees.

- Tisha Casida, originally posted: http://casida2012.com/liberty-2/merry-christmas-jesus-as-our...

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Search the bible for "Christmas" or "Merry Christmas".

Then tell me that you are a christian caught up in celebrating this (pagan) holiday and I will show you someone who is on the broad road headed only to hell.

If your church "adds to" or "denies" parts of scripture you had better run from them.

Don't settle for any church that is happy to lead you along the way to hell with their false and perverted teachings.

That is pretty much every church in America that has agreed to adhere to the rules of a 501(c)3 corporation; thus agreeing not to speak the full truth of the word.

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Well, AnAppToHeavenWa, I, too, would rather celebrate

the Annunciation (Gal 4:4, Col 2:9, Lk 1:34-35), the coming of Christ (Luke 2:1-14), Epiphany (Mt 2:1) etc. EVERYDAY of my life!

But remembering and celebrating every aspect of Christ's life everyday would be almost impossible for a working mortal. I am glad that liturgical calendar was formed to make it easier for us to hear / read the entire Bible in three years' cycle and celebrate major events of Christ's life at every parish around the globe in unison at holy masses. (Eucharistic liturgy/ holy mass is truly an amazing deeply personal, yet globally communal, Biblical event . . . not limited to just Christmas time :-)

I like what spurgeon said about Christmas

"We have no superstitious regard for times and seasons. Certainly we do not believe in the present ecclesiastical arrangement called Christmas. First, because we do not believe in the mass at all, but abhor it, whether it be sung in Latin or in English; and secondly, because we find no Scriptural warrant whatever for observing any day as the birthday of the Savior; and consequently, its observance is a superstition, because not of divine authority. Superstition has fixed most positively the day of our Savior's birth, although there is no possibility of discovering when it occurred. ... It was not till the middle of the third century that any part of the church celebrated the nativity of our Lord; and it was not till very long after the Western church had set the example, that the Eastern adopted it. ... Probably the fact is that the "holy" days were arranged to fit in with the heathen festivals. We venture to assert, that if there be any day in the year, of which we may be pretty sure that it was not the day on which the Savior was born, it is the twenty-fifth of December. Nevertheless since, the current of men's thoughts is led this way just now, and I see no evil in the current itself, I shall launch the bark of our discourse upon that stream, and make use of the fact, which I shall neither justify nor condemn, by endeavoring to lead your thoughts in the same direction. Since it is lawful, and even laudable, to meditate upon the incarnation of the Lord upon any day in the year, it cannot be in the power of other men's superstitions to render such a meditation improper for to-day. Regarding not the day, let us, nevertheless, give God thanks for the gift of His dear Son."

Quoting Spurgeon on Christmas is like quoting Romney on Obama.

Both are evil men.

There are better sources... like the bible itself... to reference.

If it is not in the bible then it is probably just something that evil men added to and is thus deceiving others into believing.

Everyone thinks that their pastor or priest is just wonderful. But most of these are wicked and already pre-destined for hell according to the bible itself.

If you are deceived into following one of them then you are headed to hell also.

We are at that point in the game where good is considered evil and evil is considered good, where 56 million babies are aborted with no end in sight and yet it takes a school shooting involving just 20 kids (a small time crime in the scope of 56 million) to get locals to come out to their false churches and pray to their idols and demons for something outside of Sunday.

This nation is already damned. Most churches are 501(c)3 tax collecting agents of an already damned nation, having agreed to have their tongues bound by the devil's minions in exchange for certain tax exemptions for their hell-bound members.

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How is spurgeon evil?

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I wish Jesus would come back

I wish Jesus would come back already. I'm sick of this bs. I'm ready.

Merry

Christmas to you and yours Tisha! :)

Silk30

But his daddy ...

... wasn't exactly an non-initiation of force guy, was he?

corrupted scriptures and . . .

corrupted humans--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Merry Christmas

To All.

Merry Christmas!

He did say 'blessed are the warmongers', though...

Oh wait, that was 'peacemakers', actually. :) I pray those who booed the Golden Rule this year when reminded of it by Dr. Paul, will discover the true Prince of Peace this Christmas.

(Of course, He will return as the conquering King, someday; but that is His place, not ours.)

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Merry Christmas.

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Merry Christmas to you (with a bump and a vote up)

Agreed,Jesus did not go around pointing out the common man's sin. (the religious leaders were already doing that well enough to make everyone but themselves fully aware of being sinful)

He went around proclaiming good news to those enslaved by sin. (John 8:31-36) Those who would accept His invitation to be free were considered His friends, and even brothers, and sisters. (Considering his Sonship, we gain high privileges when we accept) We are even called 'kings' and 'priests', the two highest classes in Hebrew society, (I Peter 2:9 - 10, Rev. 1:5 & 6) both with their accordant responsibilities and privileges.(But kings under His authority, and priests under His high priesthood)

For more fun, Tom Mullen had a similar thread a while back, I'll leave you the link for your enjoyment:

www.dailypaul.com/152999/jesus-christ-libertarian

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I stand amazed

in the presence of Jesus the Nazarene, and wonder how He could love me, a sinner, condemned, unclean. -How marvelous, how wonderful is my Saviors love for me !

Merry Christmas !
LOVE the R3volution

You say "Jesus is the kind of

You say "Jesus is the kind of friend that would not cast judgment on a person..."

Yet the word says...He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. - John 12:48-49

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. - John 7:24

...the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. - Psalms 19:9

You say "...he ate and drank with thieves (thieves at that time were the tax-collectors) and prostitutes, he was nice to everyone."

The word says...I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. - Luke 5:32,Matthew 9:13,Mark 2:17

Is the Lord a glutton? A winebibber? A friend of publicans and sinners?

These are false accusations as the word states...The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! - Luke 7:34

Lastly I can find no where in the word where it says the date of birth of the lord,nor anywhere to celebrate it.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. - John 6:63

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great. - Luke 6:47-49

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. - John 14:23

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. - Mark 13:31

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he shall hate the one, and love the other, or else he shall lean to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and riches. - Luke 16

there is a bit of confusion here concerning 'judgement'

and 'condemnation'. I think what Tisha is referring to here is 'condemnation'. Jesus did call sinners to repent, but he did it by showing them kindness.

I firmly agree that the accusations against Jesus as being a 'wine-bibber and a glutton, ' were untrue, but the accusation of being a 'friend of sinners and publicans' was right on target. In fact, he said the publicans and sinners (prostitutes even) are getting into the kingdom before you! (religious leaders) Why?

He said this because when John called the soldiers, harlots, and other great sinners to repent, they did. Many religious leaders refused to see their sin, and so refused to repent.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

The Lord is no friend to

The Lord is no friend to sinners,but in calling them to repentance.Then they are born anew,washed of there sins,to do good works and not evil.They have the light of life and no longer sit in darkness.The Lord shows how unforgiving people are and it continues to this day.Having put off the old person one must strive to enter heaven,there are few who find it.

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he shall hate the one, and love the other, or else he shall lean to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and riches. - Luke 16

Tis' true..but what a friendship! .

To call us to repent shows the marks of a true friend. He calls us to repent in different ways, however. Zaccheus, for example, sat up in a tree trying to see Jesus. Jesus invites himself over for dinner, and that simple act prompts Zaccheus to repent, promising to restore 4 fold what he had stolen and give gifts to the poor.(Luke 19:1 - 10)

OTOH, Jesus went to the house of a prominent Religious leader, who thought to himself, "surely if this man was a prophet, he would realize what sort of woman was touching him." Jesus, reading his thoughts, said, "Simon, I have something to tell you." Tell me teacher," Simon said. After telling the story of two debtors who were both forgiven, and Simon's correct assessment that the greater the debt forgiven, the greater the love returned, He then gives Simon something to think about:

"Simon, do you see this woman? I came in to your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, (a common courtesy offered to all guests) but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. You did not give me a kiss, (a friendly greeting) but she has not stopped kissing my feet. (a sign of lowly submission) You did not put oil on my head,(another common courtesy) but she has poured perfume on my feet(which may have cost her a fortune). Therefore I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven--for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little, loves little.
(and yes, it could well have been taken as a 'come on'.)(Luke 7:36 - 50)

Alas and alack, it is harder to convince the religious of their sin than it is to convince publicans, thieves and harlots.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Why the downvotes?

If you're an atheist or non-Christian, you knew what this thread is about from the title. Why even click on it if it's just going to offend you? Obviously this is mainly directed at Christian DPers.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

Because some people love to be offended.

:) Unfortunately, sometimes people like to angry. Merry Christmas to everyone anyway!

Love and light to ALL of mankind,

Tisha

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I downvoted because Tisha is misrepresenting Jesus

Christ. Jesus called out sin and warned people about the judgement. He DOES give us freedom of choice, but He never acts as though we're our own kings. Jesus commands us to worship the one true God and not just whomever we feel is God.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

I don't believe this is intentional,

and he did call out sin,(you are absolutely right here) not in the ones who already knew it, (like the tax collectors, prostitutes and publicans, who got the message when John the Baptist communicated it.) but in those who were self-righteous. (religious leaders, and such). I agree with you as well that He always commanded us to worship the one true God, that is what the clearing out of the Temple is all about.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I Disagree

Jesus never advocated that we be FORCED to worship God. Voluntary subservience to "the one true God" as a recommendation (not a command or government mandate backed by force) is totally the libertarian approach.

Of course Jesus considered us all equal in value as humans--he never advocated that GOVERNMENT should be king, or that we have kings, or rank people based on birth or election--we're all equal in His eyes. He was frequently raising up the "subclasses" (women, children, prostitutes, Samaritans) as being worthy of respect, and often pointed out that officials were no better than their subordinates. We're not supposed to worship each other as kings, we are all kings in that sense: responsible for who we are and what we do.

The only One above a king, is God. He suggests, in effect, that we are not to put the President, or Queen Elizabeth, or Elvis, or any other king between us and God, and if that's not saying we are the kings of our lives, I don't know what it is.

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Merry Christmas Tisha

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