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Firefighters shot in Rochester when responding to fire


MSNBC is reporting 4 firefighters were shot.

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The practice of incarcerating non-violent drug offenders

and releasing violent offenders on parole is madness.

Old Shooter

"Spengler, 62, was paroled in 1998 and had led a quiet life since, authorities said. Convicted felons are not allowed to possess weapons."

Interesting to hear from his 67 year old Sister who lived in the house with him, if she is still alive...


shooter killed his grandmother with a hammer

A 62-year-old Webster man suspected of setting a trap that killed two firefighters and injured two others was previously in prison for beating his grandmother to death with a hammer in 1980 and served 18 years. William H. Spengler Jr., the man believed to be the shooter, was found dead outside the home where the shootings occurred, killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. As a felon, he was not allowed to own or possess a gun.


Well, just goes to show that

Well, just goes to show that no matter how much you legislate away guns, the bad guys will get em anyway. Maybe putting a violent granny killing creep like this away forever would have been the answer.

Look at the militarized

Look at the militarized police vehicle in the photo. Good thing they have those.

You know, in case North Korea decides to invade upstate New York tomorrow, Red Dawn style.

Car saw speeding away.

Shooter found dead on the scene. Car saw speeding away.


Is This a Trend?

a false flag weekly or monthly to ban guns?



"The shooter was found dead outside the home where the shootings occurred, killed by an apparent gunshot wound." Another patsy?

The way the media and government spin this makes the American people look bad in the world, as though they are all a bunch of crazies. I think the game plan is total FEDERAL fascist control. The mass shootings accomplish many federal goals; divide and conquer the people, disarm the people, introduce more guards and the police state, implement Agenda 21.

Please read and watch the video.

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See: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20121224/NEWS01/...

The feds are there including the border patrol.

Local news here

Shooter is deceased at the scene from gunshot wound. 4 homes burned down, 4 more damaged.

It will be interesting to

It will be interesting to learn how the fires started. It seems that if someone wanted to kill firefighters they would need to deliberately set the fire. Either that or they would need to listen to the dispatch and then arrive at the scene. It doesn't seem likely that bad guys just happened to be loafing around waiting to shoot people when a fire suddenly started and firemen arrived.

Something does seem really suspicious. Firemen are one of the most trusted professions by the public...if this is part of a bigger scheme, then they are going for people's fondness...children and rescue workers. Wasn't it last Christmas that they 'unfoiled' the bogus plot in Portland, OR?

They are speculating

on local news that gunman set a trap. Public records show the house was owned at one time by someone that came home and found 90+ year old grandmother dead next door (30 years ago?). That person was charged with manslaughter at the time. They are not sure if that is the shooter or not. Very sketchy yet. They are very upset because one of the deceased firefighters was also a public information officer that they frequently interacted with. 33 people have been evacuated from the affected homes.

Talked to a former Webster

Talked to a former Webster resident, now in Brighton.

She stated that she thought this may be drug related. What do you think?

Regarding the drugs...

A woman called in to local talk radio show - woman apparently lived in the house where the grandmother lived (woman moved out last year) said the gunman "Billy" had a drug lab back years ago and told her he had killed his grandmother years ago by hitting her 38 times with a hammer. The mother had moved out into a nursing home and had recently passed away. The woman believes he had definitely planned this.

So someone was getting drugs

from the fire department??? And they wanted to lure the dealers to a location where they could get a shot?
But then someone shot the shooter?
Drug crimes rarely end in suicide.

I guess its possible but It wouldn't be my first guess.

I think she was eluding to,

I think she was eluding to, that the neighborhood may be getting some rough edges where less stable folks might be visiting.

Who called the fire in?

One a week. Too unbelievable.

But it does create fear and gets the attention of the public. Pushing gun control. Who is directing these events?

Sheriffs have not confirmed they are looking for the gunman

Hmmmm... wonder if they know something


30 minutes away

from me - too close to home. 2 were killed. They say there is no active shooter at this time. Waiting for news conference at 11am. Very sad for the families whose homes burned down as well as the firefighter's families.

Let me guess...

An AR-15

I doubt it.

They need a reason to go after revolvers and pump shotguns now.
After that will be bolt action rifles with big clips.

You know its pretty easy to make your own clip for a bolt action rifle.
Simple spring load.

Sounds like the govt. is serious about this "gun control"

Killing people on Christmas Eve is a great way to pull at the heart strings of the public.

Innocent until proven guilty

I know there are false flag operations, but I prefer to see a case constructed to demonstrate the likelihood of guilt before I assume that every crazy murder was an inside job.

If we just assume every politically convenient murder was done for political convenience, and look no further for answers, we can miss the truth and destroy our credibility at the same time.

You know?

I distrust the govt. more than anything on this earth.

And they have earned that distrust.

Educated guesses

are better than total paranoia.

I distrust Casey Anthony, she has earned that distrust, and that doesn't mean she was the shooter here.