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In Defense of Piers Morgan

Ok, I would like to point out I in no way agree with Piers Morgan and quite frankly I think he's rather ignorant on the Second Amendment and Firearms in general. That being said, I think trying to petition to have him deported is just as ignorant and wrong as he is on the Second Amendment.

He also has the right to his opinion, regardless of country of origin, culture, or state of citizenship in my opinion. The First Amendment in my eyes guarantee anyone the right to bring their argument to the table without fear of consequence regardless of whether their argument is accepted or not.

The very act of trying to deport him is rather offensive to his natural right to speak his mind(regardless of his station or clout). Instead of seeking to silence someone who has a disagreement with what we believe we should simply seek to educate them and others to make their argument null and void. I realize he is playing a demagogue standpoint however that does not mean disenfranchise him and refuse him the right to speak his mind.

It will be more widely accepted and more than likely better understood if we approached this with logic, compassion, and education. We are the ones who are constantly disenfranchised by these people, and we should not seek to do the same to them. If we do, and our message is heard, we become the oppressors.

That is not our goal my friends.




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NO!

The emperor really is wearing clothes!

How dare you say otherwise!

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

The petition is a joke for

The petition is a joke for most. What Morgan did was NOT a joke. The manner in which he acts is inexcusable for anyone, especially a "journalist." There is no defense for that sort of blatant idiocy.

You want to use violence to silence someone...

All people have the right to speak their minds regardless of what side of an arbitrary line they are from. Morgan is a tool, but can say whatever he wants. You, however, cannot initiate force and violence to kidnap him and send him to the place of your liking. I can't believe that this many people want to run to the nanny state and ask to deport someone for speaking his mind. Truly astonishing.

~ Peace Love Revolution ~

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he is NOT a citizen, mw...

he is a brit subject, for God's sake!

he is subverting the constitution...we have to put up w/ george bush and barry sortero doing this, for Christ's sake but I'll be damned if I stand by and let a foreigner do it...

bone up, bone head!

and who the freak said ANYTHING about violence?
we just want his arse sent back to england (where he can face charges against phone hacking that resulted in deaths and coverup of deaths)

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Subverting the constitution

Subverting the constitution by running one's pie hole is covered under the 1st Amendment. That being said, I won't be too sad if he chokes on a crumpet.

Natural RIghts

Natural Rights apply to all men, you do believe in Natural Rights don't you?

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You don't give a damn about what I believe in!

Or else, you wouldn't be here arguing against this "right" we have, as Americans, to keep and bear arms against a tyrannical regime.

Natural Rights?

We're talking about subverting our rights by undermining the Constitution through gun control, sonny. Stay on topic.

morgan's "natural rights" are to be found, protected, in his "natural" country...or, not, as it seems

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

I am not arguing against gun rights

In fact I wrote an article in here two days ago defending them.

Those same Natural Rights that guarantee you the right to defend yourself, guarantee Piers Morgan the right to speak his mind,.

No one has the right to silence him or take away your guns.

So tell me do you believe in natural rights?

Do you believe Thomas Jefferson, when he wrote "We hold these truths to be self-evident ,
that all men are created equal , that they
are endowed by their Creator with certain
unalienable Rights , that among these are
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness ."?

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I would submit that, as a British "subject", he does NOT...

have the "right" to call for a subversion of our United States Constitution.

And, further, those that allow him a bully pulpit to spew these attacks on OUR FREEDOMS are equally guilty (before the fact) for breaking these laws of treason and sedition.

PS

As an American citizen, I will fight to the death for your right to argue. I just happen to disagree with you.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

And I will fight to the death

And I will fight to the death for Piers' although I disagree with him. Don't pretend to support liberty while you are calling for an act of violence against someone who has committed none.

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us

People are not subjects

People are individuals.

~ Peace Love Revolution ~

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huh?!!!

citizens of America are individuals, citizens of England are british "subjects"!

do you disagree?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Yes-- people are born free as

Yes-- people are born free as part of their humanity. Americans aren't the only people with a claim to freedom.

EDIT: It truly amazes me that there are people here who think freedom is only for Americans, as evidenced by those who are downvoting this comment.

Morgan and CNN

are both using their bully pulpit to undermine our Constitution. As a guest in this nation Morgans actions are reprehensible and much in his past character. His boorish diatribes against the very document that ensured our freedoms from his oppressive ancestors should not be tolerated from a guest. He should be sent packing, a shame we no longer engage in the quaint procedure of tarring and feathering while running a miscreant such as he out of town on a rail. He deserves no better. Check out tonight's line up on CNN, they have him front and center all evening. Make a list of the advertisers and organize a boycott of their products or services, it worked on the bombastic Linbaugh.

If not us than who?

Great post

Shameful downvoting response from the people on the DP. You fight lies and propaganda with truth, not by silencing the speaker. The free market should determine whether or not he keeps his job and can stay here, not your stupid whining government petition to Obama. The dedication to the principles espoused by Ron Paul is sorely lacking with people here lately.

EDIT: I take the downvotes with pride. I will comfortably ignore Piers while the rest of you whine to our nanny state to go deport him. Maybe you all should ask yourselves, WWRPD?

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

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hahahahehehe...the "free" market IS determining it!

54,000 signatures makes a HELLUVA statement!

why don't you start a petition in defense of morgan? let's see how that flies!

free market works for me...thanks for mentioning that!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

You seem to be confusing the

You seem to be confusing the free market with democracy.

Why would I bother?

Nothing is going to come of this...he is safe. 54,000 is a helluva statement? What about Kony? It's easy to get a bunch of people to mindlessly sign unimportant drivel like this. It's hardly representative of "the free market". I'm sorry but you are on the wrong side of the debate when it comes to the Founding Fathers and Ron Paul.

Ron Paul says lead be example. We are not setting a good example by trying to deport someone who is debating (I use the term loosely in Piers' case) the modern relevance of The 2nd Amendment. I, of course, am on the side of the GOA on this issue, but Piers can say whatever he wants to; it's not sedition or treason. Dr. Paul, nor any true libertarian would ever consider trying to get him deported over this. It's just absurd.

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

That's...

like saying "why vote, it won't make any difference"!
or "why take a bath, you just get dirty again"...
sorry but you are on the wrong side of the issue!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

You are comparing voting to this childish petition?

Get some perspective. If that is your reasoning, then you don't even know what the issue is. So I'll tell you. The issue was created by you and everyone else who is supporting this petition. Without you, there is no issue because freedom of speech is a natural right and Piers can say whatever the hell he wants. Considering how he got owned during the interviews with pro-gun people, I think we are better off keeping him around, anyway.

Ron Paul would NEVER even consider deporting Piers over this. How many times do I have to ask people on this site to consider, WWRPD? Yet they ignore that every time.

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

Epitome of Childish!

Is it my reasoning or my observation? How many people have you heard saying "it makes no difference"? that is not my belief! I'm an optimist!
By your reasoning I can tell a cop to go F*ck himself! Not a wise thing to do. Consequences! Same applies to the Babbling Brit!
And BTW, i didn't sign the petition... I'd much rather he was charged accordingly for seditious acts than merely deported!
So your so inside RP's head that your able to tell me how he thinks?!
As for me, I don't need to ask WWRPD! I support him because I agree mostly with what he says... I'm able to think for myself.

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

You said it perfectly.

The sane voices are dwindling, and the Infowarriors and 'conspiracy theorists' and pseudo libertarians are concentrating. The want government to ban the things they hate while bitching about the government banning what the like.

Instead of peacefully promoting a free society they want government force. Instead of having real discussions and truth finding, they want to circle jerk and reinforce their own prejudices. Instead of working toward solutions and expanding the movement, they want to remain fringe and irrelevant.

Infowarrios? Conspiracy Theorists?

Don't start throwing groups of people under the bus. I consider myself to be a true libertarian and I oppose the use violence to silence someone, but I also believe in so called conspiracy theories when they are based on facts. I also find just as much truth if not more on Infowars than on any of the mainstream media outlets.

It's offensive to ignorantly insult groups of people because they read their news at a different site or because they don't buy into government b.s. official stories.

You are doing the same as the msm by calling people here names, as they did by calling Ron Paul and his supporters "fringe" and "conspiracy theorists."

~ Peace Love Revolution ~

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wtf are you saying?

infowarriors? conspiracy theorists? pseudo libertarians?

all labels, all seeking to divide and conquer the truth!

you are in the minority, the simple fact that you are NOT in one of these "enlightened" groups reveals your ignorance...

what you meant to say was, the insane voices are dwindling...and yours is one of them

please be clearer in your posts, no one understands wtf you are talking about...except that you are ignorant to most truths in this country

but, to be fair, we all were, at one time...so, i do feel for you, my friend

please understand that we don't have time to baby you along any more...you get the unadulterated, unfiltered, wtf up, boy! treatment now...and, trust me, you will wake up as you are too far along now to go back to the darkness of sleep

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Exactly

I'm getting tired of hearing about chemtrails and chasing shadows at Newtown. I want to hear about local initiatives people are using to carry on the message of Ron Paul. Changing hearts and minds and becoming a part of local government so we can change the way things are done in this country from the bottom up. Dr. Paul was all about that but you just don't hear much about that anymore.

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

ecorob's picture

then, quit being...

divisive here over our BASIC RIGHTS!

ok?

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

ecorob's picture

Its politically "correct" to agree with you...

I am NOT politically correct!

For Piers Bonehead to have any of these "liberties" you speak of GUARANTEED to him he MUST be an American citizen.

He is not! He could, of course, petition this country to be an American citizen and go through the process but I don't see that happening, do you? Its because he would NEVER want to be an American as he is as happy as a pig in sh*t being a British "subject".

I will fight to the death for your right to say anything you wish (as an American) but this limey does NOT have that right. His forefathers at Valley Forge in 1787 and New Orleans in 1812 fought to keep these rights from us as he does today.

Our forefathers fought to give us these liberties and I, for one, won't allow this "poofter" to squeal them away from us without firing a shot, so to speak.

Quit being a tory! This is NOT a great post. Its not even a good one.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

He is entitled to the same Constitutional rights as you or I

The Constitution / Bill of Rights uses the word "persons" and "people" not "citizens". The idea is that these are natural rights, that any American citizen should feel applies to all human beings. I don't like him any more than you do, but he is within his rights to say what he is saying.

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.

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looks like we'll agree to disagree...

on that one, brother!

i feel you will be proved wrong...read on!

We, the people, in order to form a more perfect Union...

Is this what piers and his foreigner buddies are doing? Trying to join with us to "form a more perfect Union"? NO!

They are not! They can't! They aren't citizens! They attempt to, in this case, erode our Union by shredding the Constitution!

Thanks to Dr. Ron Paul, we will have NONE of that!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

And I disagree with your interpretation

The Founding Fathers always intended for rights like these to be considered natural rights that applied to all human beings.

http://spinninglobe.net/spinninglobe_html/dueprocess.html

With liberty and justice for all...who can afford it.