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In Defense of Piers Morgan

Ok, I would like to point out I in no way agree with Piers Morgan and quite frankly I think he's rather ignorant on the Second Amendment and Firearms in general. That being said, I think trying to petition to have him deported is just as ignorant and wrong as he is on the Second Amendment.

He also has the right to his opinion, regardless of country of origin, culture, or state of citizenship in my opinion. The First Amendment in my eyes guarantee anyone the right to bring their argument to the table without fear of consequence regardless of whether their argument is accepted or not.

The very act of trying to deport him is rather offensive to his natural right to speak his mind(regardless of his station or clout). Instead of seeking to silence someone who has a disagreement with what we believe we should simply seek to educate them and others to make their argument null and void. I realize he is playing a demagogue standpoint however that does not mean disenfranchise him and refuse him the right to speak his mind.

It will be more widely accepted and more than likely better understood if we approached this with logic, compassion, and education. We are the ones who are constantly disenfranchised by these people, and we should not seek to do the same to them. If we do, and our message is heard, we become the oppressors.

That is not our goal my friends.



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Cyril's picture

+10

+10

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Status

What is his immigration status?

Thanks anyway, I read the comments below.

donvino

The Constitution was not

The Constitution was not written to protect foreigners on American soil. It was written for American citizens. Do you all really think that our Founders allowed the Brits to keep their guns and to spew their rhetoric during the Revolutionary war because it was their right? No. They threw them out of the country and confiscated their weapons. LOL That Bill of Rights was to protect us, the citizens, not foreigners. It was to ensure that foreigners did not have the influence over our country and that we governed ourselves in the manner we saw fit. If we'd allowed the British to have their "rights" to their guns and their speech back then, we'd still be fighting them today.

We have every right to ask any foreigner to leave for speaking out against the rule of law here in our country. They do not have a right to try to undermine our laws and suggest our Govt disregard our Bill of Rights and to try to incite others to feel the same way. That's called sedition and its a serious charge that merits at minimum deportation, and at most, prison.

Blessings )o(

This

is also what Bush lawyers argued when torturing detainees in Guantanamo.

Torture is morally wrong and

Torture is morally wrong and I don't abide it on that basis, but he was right. They were not protected under our Constitution.

Blessings )o(

Convenient

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This

Well said.

Some people here are getting caught up in the notion that 'it doesn't matter' where he was born and where he has his allegiance.

Interesting

Because Piers Morgan - and the interests he works for - are highly invested in promoting exactly that notion.

That it doesn't matter. It shouldn't matter to you anymore. He has the same 'rights' under our law.

The Globalists and the globalist perspective says:

- Piers Morgan is a global citizen

- The sovereign borders of a country and its laws are up for global debate - in that collectively?

The world should be deciding what is right, what is proper, what is acceptable

and

- You should accept Piers Morgan as a mouthpiece for this viewpoint

And if you don't?

Well then, you're just out of touch with modern realities. And you should be ridiculed for that. Portrayed as 'out of touch', or 'extremist', or 'fringe'.

This is what he does. Because this is what they want.

He is totally a tool of these people: the CFR, the Trilaterals, the UN / World Bank, the TBTF's, the multinationals that own our government and the central bankers that pull everyone's strings.

Watch enough of his show, and it is obvious. In everything he advocates: He follows their agenda.

Do you people - the ones that are defending his 'right' to get on a major network and spew that kind of propaganda ...

Do think him being a British national and advocating their point of view is an accident?

Of course not. Think.

Don't fall into the trap they are laying out for you

I believe borders were

I believe borders were originally established due to the fact that our founders did NOT agree with Britain on how to be ruled. They created those boundaries to keep their own people safe from those who wished to oppress them. I am in NO way for a global government(hell, I'm pretty much Anarchist at this point), however I do believe in order for us to establish peaceful relations with others WITHOUT government we must first learn to respect their natural rights regardless of who they are or where they come from.

The Road to Prosperity begins with seeking wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of the world around you. Peace can not be attained by those who close their minds to the people around them and their choices in living.

deacon's picture

what natural rights?

is the right to own the biggest share of news
to be used for the suppression of information,and advocate lies?
is it the right to use a corporation to further
another countries agenda? and all the while we lose our own
is it right for the most money to implement their own agenda's
ones that do not line with our own?
is it right for a foreigner to use his paid people to spew out lies
and claim 1 st amendment rights,and at the same time deny ours?
is it right for the CIA to use the news for their own propaganda?
is it right for the SOS to ask congress for more tax payer(stolen)
funds as they are losing the information war?
is it right to use the news to put out agendas that are foreign
and not american?
is it right for the news who are supposed to be news(unbiased)
to sit there and lie,and the people think they report truth?
just a question or many
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

You have to defend the rights of people.

Whose views you do not agree with. We would expect the same back.

You are correct and I have up-voted your post.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

I don't believe people are

I don't believe people are really trying to get him deported when they join the petition. After all, everyone already knows that nothing ever actually gets done from these petitions. Instead they are using their right of petition to call attention to the 2nd amendment and the media disrespect toward that right. No one really cares about pansy Peirs and his opinions. What has people up in arms is the media beating the drum for gun bans and gun confiscations and such. Piers has a huge soapbox from which to broadcast his feeble opinion. The people have to broadcast their voice whichever way they can.

Cyril's picture

Bah. Isn't it much ado about ... not so much ?

Bah. Isn't it much ado about ... not so much ?

I don't think we can really, strictly speaking, deport A GUEST, anyway. Unless he is found guilty of a crime.

Good luck with today's judges, though :

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul120.html

However ANYONE (who cares enough) CAN tell him he is NOT welcome anymore FOR WHAT HE ADVOCATES.

CAN'T they ? FREE SPEECH is supposed to work BOTH ways, in my understanding.

Hence my right to tell Mr. Piers TOOL Morgan :

"Hey, YOU, BEAT IT, if you're not happy with this country's FOUNDATIONS texts.

THANK YOU."

Peace.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

You guys are fucking morons, quit downvoting or stop claiming

that you support liberty! Freedom of speech is A#1! I thought it was hilarious and I despise Piers, he's a jackass on par with Bill O'reilly, but there's no way in hell this should actually happen! ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND?! What about the FIRST amendment?!!!?!?!??!

We are seriously FUCKED if this is the prevailing attitude! If they don't agree, deport them! SERIOUSLY?! GO TO HELL.

Of course he has the right to voice his opinion,

and his opinion IS protected under the first amendment, but his presence in the US is not.

“Your opinion is protected, your presence in the U.S. is not. See Kleindienst v. Mandel (1972),”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/23/wall-street-journal-column...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

you're the moron

you claim to support the first ammendment, then degrade people for stating their opinion. they're not actually gonna get him deported, but if that is what they believe, they have the same first ammendment protection as you. MORON

I don't believe anywhere in

I don't believe anywhere in my post did I say people couldn't voice their strong disagreement with his belief. I simply said I don't believe trying to shun him for that belief was the right course of action.

The Road to Prosperity begins with seeking wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of the world around you. Peace can not be attained by those who close their minds to the people around them and their choices in living.

deacon's picture

you created this post

to defend everything Morgan said
and it was because of the other post
about deporting him,so in affect you are
are advocating for him
by this post you feel he has more right to speak his
mind than we or anyone else does(hence your post)
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

He did NOT create it to

He did NOT create it to defend Piers! I wish he hadn't titled it as such! You so don't get it!! This is about defending LIBERTY. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. How can't you see that? What makes you think that while banning guns won't stop violence, banning Piers will somehow stop stupidity!!!!

deacon's picture

I so don't get it??

the only way for any of them news corps
to operate should come with a disclaimer
and it should read"for entertainment purposes only"
one cannot claim free speech when lying to a cop
one cannot claim free speech when lying to the courts
but as wee,they claim fair and balanced reporting
here is one thing i am confused about though
can i claim the use of free speech to harm another?
cause harm to come to another?
one cannot claim free speech by yelling fire in a crowded theater
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Now you want to require

Now you want to require entertainment to post a label on all of their work? And what bureaucracy will oversee this? And what will be the punishment for those who do not comply? Will you initiate force against them?

You do not understand liberty! Reject the initiation of violence!

Actually one can claim free speech when lying to a cop. One cannot claim free speech in a court because one entered into an entirely voluntary agreement to tell the truth. Speech cannot cause harm. That's why it is able to be completely and utterly free. It is utterly impossible for speech to cause harm or be considered an initiation of force.

They are a TV show. TV shows are run by people There is no such thing as someone without an opinion. You are extremely naive if you expect any of them to be fair OR balanced.

deacon's picture

lol

you ain't wrapped to tight,are you?
your claim is everyone has free speech
but yet deny me my own? do you see the irony?
i can type anything i want,whether it is a lie or not
i can say whatever i want as it doesn't cause harm
so how about you test this out,go scream fire in a
crowded theater,and see if no harm comes from your
free speech,you know,seeing it can cause no harm

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

I haven't denied you any free

I haven't denied you any free speech. That is clearly a fallacious argument.

You can think and say whatever you want. And I can respond however I want. As long as there is no violence it's all well and good. However, if you make any attempt to physically relocate someone on the basis of something they said, you will be initiating violence, violating the principle of free speech.

As for your "fire" in a crowded thater example, that is not mere speech, it is fraud.

Voicing your political opinion, no matter how outlandish or unconstitutional, is absolutely protected as free speech, it I the entire point of free speech. If it were illegal to discuss anything unconstitutional, why provide provisions to ratify it? In order to do so, you would have to discuss the currently unconstitutional things which by your logic would be treason and/or sedition. That just doesn't make sense. Nor is it in accordance with the principle of non-aggression.

I am not threatening to

I am not threatening to deport you for it!!! How laughable that you cannot see the difference. And by laughable I mean completely imbecilic.

Have you joined his fan club yet???

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/satire-the-piers-m...

Pandacentricism will be our downfall.

Nice Spin Attempt

Spin this!
School Obama's Daughters Attend Has 11 Armed Guards
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Ob...

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Cyril's picture

Spot On. Nice Find.

Spot On. Nice Find.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Wow, we're fucked...

This got at least 16 downvotes, amazing that free speech no longer resonates with people at this site.

Ask yourselves, would Dr. Paul agree with this?

Would Dr. Paul think it's alright to deport someone for voicing their opinion?

You are behaving like a bunch of wild statists.

I don't have much hope for the future of this movement if things continue this way.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

How about

When in the future, after all your rights have been subverted, you ask yourself, "did I do All I could to secure our liberties?"...
Do you think those that wish to take our rights care if they did it Politically Correct???
How about you go to England and tell them they need to throw the Queen out on her keister and see how long they tolerate you!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

You don't secure liberty by subverting it

If you think deporting people for their opinions is going to secure our liberty, then you are sadly mistaken.

"did I do All I could to secure our liberties?"

This is an extremely broad statement, would you say that murdering all that oppose us is within the scope of ALL?

I'm sure you will say that is not something you would agree to, and that proves that your measure for what is necessary is completely arbitrary and you don't really believe that anything goes.

Why don't we use the measure we are supposed to use, the Non-Aggression Principle, defensive force may only be used against aggressive FORCE, not language.

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"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

I...

Do not agree with you! That is what you can be sure of!
" would you say that murdering all that oppose us is within the scope of ALL?"
Are all taking of lives murder? Those that shot and killed the red coats were murderers?
Are those that want to take our freedoms supportive of your idea of "Non-Aggression Principle"?
Your choice to be a sheep lead to the slaughter is not one I agree with! But I will fight to secure your right to die a foolish death!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!