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In Defense of Piers Morgan

Ok, I would like to point out I in no way agree with Piers Morgan and quite frankly I think he's rather ignorant on the Second Amendment and Firearms in general. That being said, I think trying to petition to have him deported is just as ignorant and wrong as he is on the Second Amendment.

He also has the right to his opinion, regardless of country of origin, culture, or state of citizenship in my opinion. The First Amendment in my eyes guarantee anyone the right to bring their argument to the table without fear of consequence regardless of whether their argument is accepted or not.

The very act of trying to deport him is rather offensive to his natural right to speak his mind(regardless of his station or clout). Instead of seeking to silence someone who has a disagreement with what we believe we should simply seek to educate them and others to make their argument null and void. I realize he is playing a demagogue standpoint however that does not mean disenfranchise him and refuse him the right to speak his mind.

It will be more widely accepted and more than likely better understood if we approached this with logic, compassion, and education. We are the ones who are constantly disenfranchised by these people, and we should not seek to do the same to them. If we do, and our message is heard, we become the oppressors.

That is not our goal my friends.



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For the rest of you, I wonder if you also believe in deporting your friends and relatives who are confused about guns, too?

And, for that matter, if you were consistent with your beliefs, and that you were truly a defender of the Bill of Rights - you would start by deporting yourself for being opposed to freedom of speech.

Before you tie yourself up into a philosophical knot, remember this saying:

"I may not like what you say but would defend your right to say it." --Voltaire

honestly i doubt anyone really cares if he gets deported .

And we all know Obama is not going to deport his best cheer leaders. This whole deportation talk is just to send a message that we are displeased with them. People like them perpetuate the removal of our freedom of speech, (HR347 for example, Obama signed it, Morgan endorses Obama) so the deportation petition is one of the few ways left for us to voice our opinion.

So, cut us some slack please.

I understand your

I understand your frustration, believe me I do. I tried to watch Good Morning America this morning while waiting to take my Mom to the doctor for an early appointment and I had to turn it off after about 10 minutes. The solution here is to inform others of their choices, and try and influence them away from these kinds of propaganda machines so they can find information for themselves.

Even if he got deported, there are many people who would follow an Online show he posts on an independent website much like we do with Infowars and RT(or whatever else you may watch). Remember how we treat this, just because they don't allow us a streamlined medium doesn't mean we won't find a way to obtain that information.

People who have similar beliefs to Piers Morgan will do exactly the same thing.

The Road to Prosperity begins with seeking wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of the world around you. Peace can not be attained by those who close their minds to the people around them and their choices in living.

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Well, this is good someone stands for his defense.

Well, this is good someone stands for his defense.

For, personally, I find nothing to defend in his arrogant contempt for the foundations of a country he is A GUEST OF.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Thinking out loud here ...

Do you think people have fundamental rights, that existed before government existed?

Do you think people have the fundamental rights of life, liberty, and property?

Do you think that if Person A violates the fundamental rights of Person B, that Person A loses (at least temporarily) his right to liberty?

Do you think that people have the right to free speech?

Do you think that people have the right to own firearms?

If Person A attempts to forcible stop Person B from owning firearms, does Person A give up some of his rights when he violates the rights of Person B?

And if Person A does not respect Person B's rights, why should Person B respect Person A's rights?

Like you, I have problem with deporting someone for their free speech. On the other hand, we have to do something REAL to people who are forcibily destroying -- or engaging in a conspiracy to forcibly destroy -- a large group of people's rights.

The big question is: What do we do to people who deny the rights of others, and what (if anything) do we do to people who engage in a conspiracy to deny the rights of others?

Just thinking out loud ...

In reply, I believe that

In reply, I believe that everyone has unalienable rights and equal opportunity to exercise those rights regardless of religion, culture, race, gender, or even citizenry. I don't think of people who are visiting the country as any different of humans than I, and certainly would allow them the same respect and courtesy I give to my fellow American(until they prove to me they are not worthy of that respect).

However, I also believe that if Person A were to attempt to forcibly take the rights of Person B away for ANY reason, Person A forfeits that right they are attempting to take away.

If someone tries to forcibly take my right to Bear Arms, It provokes a response of self-defense to that aggression. In a less violent term, if someone tried to take away my right of free speech I believe it is prudent to take away theirs. Doing everything I can to silence, discredit, or disenfranchise their voice as much as I can since they do not feel it is a right worth preserving.

However I do not see Piers Morgan attempting to take away a person's ability to speak their mind(and no, interrupting constantly because he's a dick cheese doesn't count he still gave them time to speak their point of view even if it was met with ignorance).

Does this help you better understand my thinking?

The Road to Prosperity begins with seeking wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of the world around you. Peace can not be attained by those who close their minds to the people around them and their choices in living.

You don't get it

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In reply, I believe that everyone has unalienable rights and equal opportunity to exercise those rights regardless of religion, culture, race, gender, or even citizenry.

Chained Reality you are in the same category to me as the defenders of Barry O that believe he meets the Article 1 Section 2 criteria of a natural born citizen knowing damn well he had British citizenship at birth.

November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
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The context I meant to convey

The context I meant to convey is it doesn't matter what country he belongs to. I believe ALL people to hold these unalienable rights, not just citizens or other people we give it to. It was never a "given" entity. They have these rights from the get go, regardless of what part of the world they hail from.

If someone you agreed with were in his position to speak to the public, and those who disagreed with this outside libertarian called to have him/her deported for his beliefs I'm pretty sure you would step up to defend him/her. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't take away their right to speak their mind(regardless of whether they are a citizen or not).

The Road to Prosperity begins with seeking wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of the world around you. Peace can not be attained by those who close their minds to the people around them and their choices in living.

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Good Questions

You ask what do we do to people who want to deny the rights of others? I say we ignore them. Piers had horrible ratings prior to this, he was already being ignored and was on the way out. This sensationalism is just going to give him more of a spotlight. You have asked a few questions I have been asking myself also.... In the end though, why don't we spend more time focusing on getting people out of power in the congress who want to deny people rights? That's where it is important. Piers has no power.

Also, it is funny to me because people here have the main argument that banning guns will not stop the problems we are seeing in this country. I agree, but banning Piers from the country will not stop the anti gun folk.... we need congress to do that.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

I believe the best thing to happen is for Piers to stay...

employed at CNN so that he may continue to hurt the credibility of their propaganda machine.

He wont ever get deported but

He wont ever get deported but I agree with this guy

Using your side of

reason, couldn't one say those who call for his deportation have just cause to do so under the 1st amendment? I for one feel that if someone is to try to do away with one amendment, be it the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th, they cannot hide behind the 1st amendment in doing so.

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

That's precisely what you are doing

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No.

He's not saying "You don't have the right to call for his deportation."
He's saying "Calling for his deportation is not helping our cause."
There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE, and I do agree with him. If you wanted to petition anything, petition CNN to take him off the air. That's a victory. Let them know we don't want to hear his crap opinions anymore, and that you're done listening to CNN's crap reporting.

You do sound like a nutter when you try and kick anyone who doesn't agree with you out of the country.

I feel

that one who bashes one amendment and then hides behind another is a "nutter." I don't sign petitions for multiple reasons, and did not sign this one, in my eyes anyway it is frivolous. Ever since the secession petitions people are creating them faster and faster for less important reasons and it is frankly quite ridiculous. However, I feel that if the 1st amendment can protect peirs in his right to call for the abolition of the second amendment, it certainly can protect those who call for his deportation. Sorry I did not take sides and decided to play devils advocate. If you are willing to say piers was well within his first amendment rights to call for the abolition of the 2nd amendment, would you not be obligated to say the same for those who call for his deportation? If not, isn't that a bit hypocritical, no matter which side of the fence you sit on?

I would also like to believe that those who frequent the DP know better than to sign such a ridiculous petition. However, I hold nothing against those who did, for they are voicing their opinion much like piers did, and you know, when you are on his show, if you try to voice your logical opinion all you hear while you are in the middle of speaking is "are you stupid?, you are stupid, stop being ridiculous!"

“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.” – Dresden James

I agree. A public hanging would be more spectacular.

Should we give him a little extra rope and let him free fall snapping his neck or should we let him dangle kicking and squirming until the life is gone from him?

Maybe something in between would be nice after a good long water boarding in 33 degree water?

Televise everything done to him on national TV!

Traitors and foreign agents that come to this country to operate in broad daylight on our own soil deserve nothing less but to be made an example of to warn others who might contemplate the same capitol crime of treason against We The People and our Bill of Rights.

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This, is highly unsettling to

This, is highly unsettling to me. I understand frustration but calling for violence on any level breeds contempt for us and what we stand for. To be perfectly honest, these kinds of ideas are what send us into armed conflict with those we disagree with. As far as I'm concerned, if the Liberty movement were to take up arms against a government we feel is corrupt in an offensive manner would be as stupid and worthless as a clan feud between two families out in the middle of nowhere just because Pa didn't like the way Jessup was lookin' at his daughter.

The Road to Prosperity begins with seeking wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of the world around you. Peace can not be attained by those who close their minds to the people around them and their choices in living.

Our founding fathers understood that oppression was violence.

This idiot agent of the queen is calling to destroy the very Bill of Rights that so many fought his queen and kings and died to give us.

Don't lecture me about my comments being unsettling.

My forefathers settled this nation beginning in about 1650 AD and killed a lot more Red Coats than this one lame British bastard.

Hang him high.

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They DEFENDED their new home

They DEFENDED their new home from oppression and those who sought to take your rights away from you. If you're willing to kill someone so easily you are no better than the people who our fathers were trying to defend our country from.

The Road to Prosperity begins with seeking wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of the world around you. Peace can not be attained by those who close their minds to the people around them and their choices in living.

Many are put away for lessor victimless crimes.

Why can't we arrest Mr. Morgan and put him on trial for treason?

This nation has the highest incarceration rate in the entire world, so tell me how is this agent of a foreign queen still walking our streets and spreading his message of hate for key American freedoms on national TV.

This is why the founding fathers believed that militias were the answer. They were just independent enough to act on these sort of seditious crimes and see to it that such loyalist traitors were chased (running for their very lives) across the border to the north or captured and strung up.

We have Guantanamo today for just this sort of purpose but you have to be brown skinned and from a nation that is also threatening the British queen's multinational corporate interests/holdings in order for us to send you there for water boarding.

Yet after two wars with the bitch's ancestors the queen's agents and the royal family are given license to operate unimpeded on American soil. It is about damn time we round them up, and decide to bring serious charges against them or send them home all together regardless.

In the case of Piers Morgan he has already committed acts of sedition against our form of government. Therefore he should be tried accordingly, possibly in a military court, and given a public execution if convicted on these charges.

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Maybe we should make him live in Detroit ...

... until he goes back home.

;-)

Without

Security personnel...

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

jrd3820's picture

lol

He wouldn't last a second..... That could be the quickest way to punish/deport anyone. It's like our personal Siberia, no one wants to be there...

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

jrd3820's picture

Our bigger concern

should be removing congress members that undermine the constitution. Piers Morgan was struggling with ratings before this. No on took him seriously and he was probably on the way to getting his show cancelled. Now with all the sensationalism surrounding this he is here to stay.

“I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living.”
― Dr. Seuss

Piers should worry about his home country

There is nothing oppressive about wanting to deport a foreign national.