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Apparently exercising my rights was rude and unwelcomed

So tonight I was pulled over for speeding, and the officer asked the classic question: "Do you know why I pulled you over?" I replied by saying nothing, exercising my right to remain silent. He then asked again, "Do you know why I pulled you over?" Once again I replied by saying nothing. He said, "Are you okay, sir?" I replied, "Don't I have the right to remain silent?" He replied, "You most certainly do, sir!" He then went back to his car and came back a few minutes later. The officer asked me to step outside my car, and I did just to be polite (I had the right to remain in my vehicle). The officer asked if I had been drinking, and I had not (only water). He said, "You know sometimes people like to be a little smart (rude). I was going to give you a warning at first since it's Christmas and all, but I changed by mind." So he gave me the ticket, and we went on our way.

So why was exercising my right to remain silent considered rude? Shouldn't he be proud?

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It sounds to me like he

It sounds to me like he decided to not give you a ticket. And, after seeing how you behaved decided that he was going to give you a speeding ticket for your behavior. I thought you had to speed to get a speeding ticket. So they write them for behavior now?

You have to pick your

You have to pick your battles. What's the point of fighting a battle that won't make a difference?

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

"make a difference" is relative.

One man might not see a difference where another does...

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If you plan on fighting the

If you plan on fighting the quota ticket besure to go to court and request your discovery, if they don't provide it you'll win your case automatically. Then if they do besure to request the da/officer to provide certification that the cop is able to use the radar gun as well as the diagnostic reading in the radar gun before his shift

Every generation needs a new revolution.
- Thomas Jefferson

Q&A

"Do you know why I pulled you over?"
"To serve and protect me?"

"Where are you going?"
"East."

"Have you had anything to drink tonight?"
"Just some high quality H20"

..made me smile..

..made me smile..

...

"Where are you going?"
"East."

...hmmm.

"I'm a travelor"
"Where are you traveling?"
"East, towards the rising sun."

-get it?

"The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them." - Mark Twain

i doooont get it

i doooont get it

I'm reading through the comments...

Let me give some information and a possible solution as to how to handle a traffic stop. The two most dangerous situations a police officer faces are domestic disputes and traffic stops. I've seen every video entitled Police Brutality, Cops are Pigs, F the cops on Youtube until I came across a video where the driver of a vehicle handled the stop with a great deal of expertise and respect. I'm paraphrasing here, but here's how it went:

The driver, as the officer is approaching, had his hands on top of the steering wheel (police want to know where your hands are, especially at night). The first thing the man said to the officer is, "Officer I have a concealed carry permit and my firearm is in the console, you need to know this." The officer then asked him for his concealed carry permit and his driver's license. The driver, with his hands still on top of the steering wheel, replied, "Officer my concealed carry permit and my driver's license are in my wallet in my back pocket, do I have your permission to get my wallet?" The officer replied, "yes." He gave the officer his driver's license and his concealed carry permit and returned his hands to the top of the steering wheel. The officer asked for his insurance and registration. The driver replied, "My insurance card and registration is in the glove compartment, do I have your permission to open the glove compartment?" The officer replied, "yes."

I don't remember if the driver received a citation, but this is one of the most respectful civilian traffic stops a police officer has probably ever encountered that showed respect for the police officer's safety, which could go a long way.

you guys have been around criminals for too long

in the normal world out here where most of us live, we don't hang the word 'respect' on our sleeves as if talking to peers like sub standard animals

You are guilty of

"contempt of cop". You did not show proper deference to a designated state "hero" goon and were duly punished for not lowering your eyes, yessirring, nosirring, and behaving like the chattel slave your self appointed masters have declared you.
The ticket was your punishment for daring to be an uppity slave. Many slaves have gotten far worse for doing far less. I salute you for behaving like a free man...as far as you were able.
"Battle lines are being drawn........"

You talk about rights?

What about the rights of others?
Others who are endangered by reckless drivers who speed, zig zag in and out in traffic going 70 MPH, tailgaiting etc.

When you uncaringly drive that way YOU want to drive, and thumb you nose at the saftey of all those out there in their cars and on the streets, YOU are the problem, NOT the speed limit or the officer who rightfully gives you a ticket.

Now, stop your crying, GROW UP and think of others!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

+1

The law is/should be more complicated than simply "don't harm others". You can't engage in behaviors such as reckless or drunk driving that put others in reasonable danger either. I can't go into the middle of town throwing knives around at people and then not get in trouble if none of the knives hit anyone.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

"Foul"

We cry out for our so called reps to keep the oath they swore to, but we cry "foul" when we are to obey the speed limits of the roads, and when we break them we moan and groan when we get ticketed, give a bunch of reasons why the laws are stupid, unfair etc. and put the blame on anything and everything but ourselves for not obeying simple speeding laws that are for the good of everyone!

What hypocrisy!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

sorry, you must be on the wrong website

...this is a liberty website, not a Authritarian lovefest website. If there is no individual who is violated by his speed where is the crime? Arbitrary speed limits set by Tax feeding thugs who use it as an excuse to terrorize citizens is not my idea of freedom. Who says that he was reckless? maybe he was going over the "speed-limit" and was not driving crazy at all. I routinely go 5 over and I feel safe and have never hurt or violated anyone else with my driving, yet I have been pulled over for it.
Telling others to think about those around them is something everyone should do, but standing up for Cops stopping people for victim-less "crimes" is just advocating authoritarian power.
And telling people how to act while chastising them and telling them to "stop crying,GROW UP and think of others" is not only a rude way to say it, but it is also something the author might want to try himself.

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I'd like to tell you a sad story

An automobile can be every bit as dangerous as a gun, and must be used with respect and knowledge. If that is abused, then it's only a matter of time before something bad happens.

The major cause of deaths due to automobile accidents is SPEEDING!

A very good friend of mine lost a dear little one in his family.
If I remember correctly, she was about 6 or 7 years of age.
She was playing innocently with her toys, sitting on a curb in front of her house when someone came speeding around the corner, lost control, hit her so hard, she was knocked out of her little shoes and was found some 80 feet down the street.....dead!

Those who say that speeding is fine as long as you don't endanger anyone etc.
are DEAD wrong just as DEAD as this precious little one I speak about.

Why not simply obey the speed limit?

We ask our reps to obey the constitution and yet whine about obeying speed limits?

Maybe if somoeone tells her parents that the driver had his rights to speed, and that he had drove this way for many years without ever hurting a soul, they will understand and feel much better and much less grieved.

Remember, if you are speeding and cause the harm or death of another, it is YOUR fault!

How selfish, uncaring and unloving is that!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Then that person speeding in your sad

story was speeding in circumstances where it was dangerous...and there was already a law against it there, right?? That was unsafe driving, period. Arbitrary speed limits can cause more harm than good in many cases and are in most cases simply speed traps to loot motorists or devices to condition the herd to obedience.

The right to remain silent...

According to the 5th. Amendment the right to remain silent applies only to criminal offences i.e. an offence listed under the Penal Code and the subject of a summons from a criminal court.

It is my understanding that a simple moving violation for which a traffic ticket may be issued is not a criminal matter. In that case the 5th. Amendment does not apply.

Self incrimination in any circumstances is not to be recommended so in this case some formula such as "No doubt you have a reason for stopping me officer. May I know what it is?" would suffice. This is not a statement in response to an allegation which is the condition for application of the 5th. Amendment.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Every person born in the United States

Has natural, God given rights at the moment of birth. What you are referring to is the Miranda Warning. Miranda warns the police not to violate your rights, and reiterates those rights to the person under arrest.

Cops who use this opening line...

Are unprofessional. A professional law enforcement officer will first ask for a driver's license, registration and proof of insurance. The driver should produce these documents. The officer should then proceed to check the documents. The driver should remain silent.

Once the officer has checked the documents, he will write a ticket stating the rules the driver violated. "Mr. Jones, you were doing 60 MPH in a 30 MPH zone." The driver should remain silent. Speeding is a civil offense. The place to fight a civil offense is in court, not on the highway.

With many law enforcement officers wearing mikes, any utterance by the driver in response to this officer's question is being recorded. Everyone has the 5th amendment right to remain silent, and not to incriminate themselves.

If the officer asks the driver to exit the car, the driver has every right to ask the officer if he has reasonable suspicion to believe the driver is involved in unlawful activity (in this case, the officer smells alcohol on the driver,and/or there are open containers in the car in plain view). If the officer responds he doesn't, the driver has the right to tell the officer, if you don't have reasonable suspicion to believe I'm involved in unlawful activity, I do not consent to a search of myself or my vehicle. The driver should not exit the car.

If the officer pushes it, tell him you want a supervisor on scene. At this point, generally, if the officer has no reason to suspect you of anything other than speeding, the officer should back off (take note, I use the words generally and should).

Learn some sign language. A

Learn some sign language. A few years back I had surgery on my throat, so it is really painful for me to speak and when I can, a whisper is about all I can get out. So I get stopped a while back for speeding on a busy highway, that there is no way I can talk over the noise. I start signing to the officer, he takes one look at me, hands me my license back, and says have a nice day and slow down.

Maybe you should have tried this?

"Why yes, officer. You pulled me over because you are a revenue agent for the prison-for-profit industry."
Maybe that would have worked out better...?
Truth, no one seems to really appreciate it these days....lol!
Fight the ticket. They stand there raking in money, everyone just pays. At least make them work for their un-Constitutional fees and fines.
(If you have not, please watch the videos in my tag line before you go to court. You are in a perfect position to do what Carl teaches. Good luck!)

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

We give the police enormous

We give the police enormous power in giving them the choice on whether or not to enforce the laws. Some of it is out of necessity - obviously they need to prioritize. But a lot of it is pure discretion and cops, being human, will use their power against you if you don't kiss their ass.

This is one of the reasons why I am opposed to laws that are on the books but aren't enforced. They just give the police a reason to harass you for whatever reason.

We Need To Be Careful

I know where you were coming from but I think we should be careful not to get carried away with how we use our rights against cops. Cops are cops and they are human. Maybe he had a valid reason for pulling you over. (breaklight out, whatever) Maybe we shouldn't go into freedom mode until we are given a reason. I like to think, "What would Ron Paul do now?" I think a lot of us get what is going on with the "standing against tyranny" movement but we aren't educated in just HOW to handle it. We aren't all as well trained as Luke (We are Change) and others but we want to be. I personally have wondered how to handle the situation should I be stopped for nothing but I am not sure what to do. I don't think I would just jump into patriot mode without feeling out the situation first. I don't want to have a chip on my shoulder for every cop out there. Just my thoughts.

skippy

Very well said skippy

That was my thought as I read the post.I think the author was a bit hasty in jumping to exercise his rights.Had he been cooperative,he may well have walked away without a ticket.....
Exercising your rights is a good thing.But being a jerk about it is going to make the officer exercise his authority.And chances are,if he pulled you over for speeding,you were probably speeding.So now your attitude just cost you $100 and you have made no point of significance.

Cops have sold their souls for their badges and guns

In my recent run ins with the police, I have been perfectly nice and obedient. I even kissed a little ass (okay, I tried to kiss a lot of ass). However, it did not help my case at all. Although I was never charged with crimes, I was fingerprinted, my photo taken, my car and person searched, my Social Security Number taken, and my fingerprints taken. All of this when no crime was committed? I will never act so obedient to the police again because it usually doesn't do a crock of shit worth of good.

I never really took offense

I never really took offense to the "do you know why I stopped you" question, although it certainly is designed to create an opportunity for the person stopped to incriminate him or herself. When I've been in that situation I've either answered "no sir, not really" if that were the case or "Yes I've got a pretty good idea" - - but NEVER actually tell them why I think I'm being stopped. What if it's a different reason? Now I've given them another charge they might not have been aware of!

The one that really annoys me is the "Where are you going?" or some variation. I've been asked that before and gone along to avoid a hassle, but it's always bothered me. If I'm speeding, give me a speeding ticket, but it's none of their damn business where I'm going!

How about this one?

Pig: I am going to have to ask to search you.

Me: I do not feel comfortable with that.

Pig: your eyes are red, we have probable cause to search you because you are driving intoxicated (I had smoked weed earlier, and was sitting in my car with the engine off). We could do this with your compliance or we can do this in cuffs.

(Search entire car, me, and passenger)

Pig: We found this marijuana in the car, whose is it.

Passenger: It's mine, I have a medical card.

Pig: It doesn't have a county approval stamp on the card, so it is invalid. I will let you off with a warning if you stomp out all of your weed (medication)

(Still takes pictures, fingerprints, ssn, id's, etc.)

They are almost welcoming street justice.

Best thing to do, in my

Best thing to do, in my experience, is speak first. In the past, I've rolled my window down when stopped and spoke first asking "what seems to be the problem?" It tends to throw them off guard and it all goes smooth from there. :) I've never had a ticket.

Blessings )o(

lol

You could always just tell them "your wife just called me.She said I have 2 hrs to get over there,be done & get out.Can we hurry & get the ticket written,so I can get moving?"
LMAO.That would get a response out of them,I'm sure.....