Randall may not equal Ronald but...
Submitted by dwalters on Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:20Every person is an individual that is responsible for his or her own actions. The Pauls are no different. Rand Paul is not Ron Paul, and he should not be expected to mirror his father.
Many times and rather often, I have heard that most politicians are well-intentioned. This may or may not be the case for many of them, but I do believe that Rand Paul is well-intentioned, although I have openly criticized him in the past because I think he panders more than is necessary to stay in the graces of the GOP establishment and risks being labeled as a follower of men rather than a leader of them because of it.
As well, I believe Rand has been weak on foreign policy (probably as a tactic to avoid being pigeon-holed like Ron was by the neo-con propaganda wing of the media). Certainly in rhetoric and in strategy, Rand is not equivalent to Ron, but time will tell if his way will be more effective.
One thing is for sure, Rand is no longer walking in his father's shadow which can neither be labeled as good nor as bad. Rand is his own man.
All criticism aside, someone tell me who would be a better and more viable candidate to represent the agenda of the Liberty Movement for POTUS in 2016? I highly doubt that even if a more acceptable candidate became available that that candidate would be as viable for the simple reason of name recognition.
If given the option, I will likely vote for Rand Paul in 2016.
No one person will be the savior of Our nation. It will take effort from all of us. If we can agree on nothing else, we can probably agree that Rand Paul would at least be a step in the right direction.
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Some facts
In Pierce County Washington there is a sitting superior court judge with an outstanding felony arrest warrant out for him. His name is Frank Cuthbertson. Here is a link to the crime that got him convicted.
http://www.knology.net/~bilrum/RedTide.htm
Here is a link to show he is a superior court judge:
http://www.courts.wa.gov/court_dir/orgs/286.html
and another:
http://patriotaction.net/group/washingtonstatepatriots/forum...
So being a superior court judge is no guarantee that you are not a convicted felon and a fugitive from justice.
Another Pierce County superior court judge got caught several years ago after he placed a murder contract out on one of his former gay lovers. Actually, the norm here in Washington State is for the Democrat governor to appoint people to the various superior courts who have criminal minds. That is why Washington State is know as "The child rape state" since no judge is willing to do anything to stop the ongoing problem of children being raped. Check out our present Governor, Christine Gregoire. She as state AG went to great lengths to cover for the rapists at the OK Boy's Ranch. Check it out:
http://lbloom.net/okgregoire.html
Reporter Randy Shaw did an expose years ago and I could only find part one on the internet. Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvmOrLFkH24
With that being said, I think that Judge Napolitano would be a great nominee for POTUS.
See, that's what my common sense told me
Appointed judges are actually almost always corrupt in one way or another. So to think one is "well-vetted" is pretty presumptuous and is probably what gets us into trouble; assuming someone else has done the work.
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that rings true &
i stand corrected.
still i love the judge and he come across to me as an honest liberty spokesman.
He wasn't a Supreme Court
He wasn't a Supreme Court judge.
correct
note to self: have at least one coffee before posting.
Makes sense to me
Vetting not only puts people in office, but keeps them out.
STAND WITH RAND 2016
Great answer...
I wonder if the Judge has given it any consideration.
Robert Wenzel on Rand Paul
Robert Wenzel on Rand Paul:
Not good enough. But then again, anyone short of Murray Rothbard wouldn't be good enough for Wenzel, so take it with a grain of salt. He's what I'd call one of those 'bitter libertarians.'
not bitter
just suspicious of anyone that wants the One Ring, as am I
“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson
Rand is a neocon.
Don't be fooled.
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sorry.
I had to uncollapse the ignorance- to down vote your comment.
"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!
Rand Paul 2016
Rand Who? favours the things that neocons want.
Rand Who:?
- Supported Mitt Romney
- Supports US secret prisons
- Supports the NDAA
- Supports the bloated "defense" budget
Which of those things are YOU in favour of?
If you go along to get along, you are no better than the Pack.
At what time did Ron Paul act like that?
How many bills has Ron passed?
How many national elections has Ron won? Ron got 10%, Rand needs 51% and he needs the GOP to do that.
We're taking this thing over but we're the guests and we must show respect to gain influence.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
Really?
Please go away. Neocon's don't hold filibusters to fight indefinite detention.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
Just remember
clean never rubs off on dirty, dirty always rubs off on clean.
I also believe Rand was elected in spite of the GOP, just ask Trey.
Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio
Idk but I agree with him! He
Idk but I agree with him! He voted for Iran sanctions man! His father taught me that's inciting war! Isn't it? So tell me how is Rand Paul not a Neo-Con? I didn't know we had the option to not follow the constitution.
juan maldonado
Who isn't a neo-con in the
Who isn't a neo-con in the Daily Paul book? Robert Taft voted for the Marshall Plan and military aid to Israel, 20 years before genuine neoconservatives joined the Republican Party. I advise you to actually find out what neoconservative means, because your definition of it suggests everyone from Barry Goldwater to Pat Buchanan, everyone except Ron Paul himself, was a 'neocon'.
That vote passed 98-0
What would it have mattered? Rand is trying not to be Dr. No, being Dr. No is why Ron Paul has only passed one bill in his career. It's okay for Rand to play politics. It would be stupid for Rand to try the same course of his father because Rand actually wan't to get something done in Congress.
He knows what he's doing, he is not a neo-con. Neo-cons don't risk their careers speaking about liberty and freedom. No good deed goes unpunished and no bad deed unrewarded. The reward of trust in the GOP was well worth his meaningless vote on Iran sanctions.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
Do you hear yourself? You
Do you hear yourself? You sound like a neocon! We're suppose to follow the constitution, I don't understand this! You don't think that him voting against it wouldn't have made a difference? It should of been 97-1.... Imagine that!
juan maldonado
You ever heard the saying "pick your battles"?
If I can't trust Rand Paul then I can't trust you or anyone else and I might as well wear a tinfoil hat. Rand Paul = good. Seriously, the man risks his shot at the Presidency every time he disobeys GOP leadership and he does it often. I trust the man to do what is right. 97-1 would have just gotten him in trouble with leadership and wouldn't have done a thing to advance the cause of liberty. He has to please GOP leadership, it's necessary to help all of us. Talk shiz about Clintion, Pelosi, Feinstein, Reid, Boehner, Priebus...etc. There are a heck of a lot of people that would be better served by your hate info than Rand Paul.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
You obviously can't hear
You obviously can't hear yourself! You don't care about the constitution like do man! You should never disobey that beautiful document! Goodbye my friend.
juan maldonado
Come on man
Don't say $hit like "you don't care about the constitution" when you won't even capitalize "The Constitution".
Tell me how in the hell it could have possibly helped Rand to vote against Iran Sanctions. If you haven't noticed the GOP isn't treating liberty guys so good right now. The GOP can pump millions of dollars into destroying someones political career. Where do you think the "racist Ron Paul" articles came from? $20 bucks says it wasn't the Democrats.
Please spend your time bashing people who really need bashing and leave the great senator from Kentucky alone. I would be proud to have Rand as my senator.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
So if anybody else does it,
So if anybody else does it, there neocons! But if Rand does it he's amazing? I don't understand. How far do you go with it? So you believe in your heart, that sometimes you have to disobey the Constitution, for the better good?
juan maldonado
I don't think Rand has a choice
Remember when Ron Paul stated he was done campaigning the same day Rand said he endorsed Romney. The Doug Wead said the Pauls were threatened with a PR A-bomb as he called it.
I see your point and I can't say your wrong. The votes don't make much sense, but I refuse to believe Rand is a neocon. He wouldn't say the controversial things(to neocons) he says if he were a neo conservative. I'll still vote for him as he's better than 98% of all the other politicians.
I don't believe in disobeying The Constitution, but I also think it would have been silly to piss off Boehner for one measly vote that wouldn't have made a difference.
No liberty candidate has the chance that Rand has, and that's why I trust him. You nor I know how much is on Rand's plate right now and we don't know how his shoes feel. I can't say I would do better than him.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
If you don't believe in
If you don't believe in disobeying the constitution, then where's our disagreement? You know for afact the constitution doesn't allow Rand Paul to put sanctions on another country! I mean who is he!? I can't believe I'm having this conversation right now!
juan maldonado
I don't understand everything Rand does either.
but he's a hell of a lot better than than any of the rest of the gang on the hill and I support him. I also don't think I am so smart I can judge his every move, I believe he does his best to keep his oaths. To the GOP and to The Constitution. It's important you understand that he must stay in the good graces of Boehner, or the 2016 convention will be no different than the last one. Ron Paul won the primary, but because he didn't play by leaderships rules, they snubbed him. Rand has a shot at it and I trust he's playing it right. He's our only hope at the Presidency.
I can't believe you and people like you slander Rand Paul when you could do much better things slandering Feinstein right now.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
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I am not writing Rand off just yet, but for me, here is where the major problem is:
Rand, on CSPAN, national tv, had every opportunity to explain to the people that feinstein-lee amendment was worse than 2012 ndaa. He did not do that. Instead, he touted it like it was in the best interest of Americans on American soil. He did admit that it needed work for off American soil, but again, he explained the amendment like it was honorable, in the right direction and must be passed. The average American listened to that. The American people, and many here, believed that Rand, fienstein and lee were working on something good and trustworthy.
So, Rand had a chance to actually call them out on it, as Justin Amash did, and educate people to the truth and just how low feinstein, lee and others were. Rand, imo, failed with an F.
Rand should have taken that opportunity, in front of all viewers, to call for 1021 and other sections to be STRICKEN.
Thus the first line in my sig.
"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul
I think Rand and Justin believe the same things
but Rand has been a good GOP doggy and leadership likes him.
We can't say the same for Justin. I don't understand what Rand is doing either but he has the blood of the good Dr. in him and I trust him to do what is right.
Voting against Iran sanctions or fighting that bill wouldn't have accomplished much in my eyes but I'm glad Justin Amash stood up against it. Justin doesn't have much to lose, but Rand could lose the support of the GOP which is the only way our movement will see the 2016 nomination in my opinion.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
Concerning Rand, this is a dilemna.
Play lap dog to advance his career while keeping America in the dark, or educate Americans while he is still in office.
gop understands game playing. I am sure that they know full well that if Rand does advance his career, he would potentially do the right things. I don't see them letting that happen, I don't see them actually liking Rand. Rand, while he has the chance, should educate his constituents and the American people of the atrocities that are taking place, and what is in the actual bills. Otherwise, how would people know when and what to seriously object to.
Many believe that he should play the game, support sanctions, not berate feinstein-lee, while others like me believe that the truth should be told so that constituents have the opportunity to make noise and do what is right, here and now.
This nation is in the sh|tter. There is no more time to play games, IMHO.
I pray for all of us.
"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul
Well, I can't say your wrong.
It's hard to say I disagree, so to say that I agree with the weird things Rand has done. I can't say I agree with playing small to serve other's interests. I can't say I agree with Iran sanctions, I can't say I supported Mitt Romney, and I can't say I like what I've heard about the NDAA bill concerning Rand.
However I refuse to judge Rand so harshly. It's hard to imagine what Rand's shoes feel like. It seems to me that every time Rand opens his mouth he risks losing his shot at the nomination. I remember hearing the words "Ron Paul doesn't have a chance" from GOP pundits over and over and over but I haven't heard that about Rand. Who knows though, they might have Rand right where they want him.
However, no good deed goes unpunished/no evil deed unrewarded. Justin Amash has done the right thing and he has lost power to do right because of it. Whereas Rand seems to be gaining influence, old guard GOP supporters here in Tennessee seem to like Rand much more than Ron. They don't call Rand crazy like they do Ron.
I think Rand is picking his battles, like Sun Tzu.
A good general wins the war without fighting, and positions himself for the best chance at success. Perhaps Rand is trying to stay under the radar of GOP leadership and not end up like Amash, living to fight a battle he can win.
He couldn't win on the NDAA, he couldn't win on Iran sanctions. He couldn't have spoken at the RNC by endorsing dad and He couldn't win a senate seat without the support of the GOP. So while I can't say he did the right thing, I can say that I believe the man was raised right and that He is doing what he thinks is best for himself and all of us.
I sure as hell hope so.
At least this way we have two guys with a lot of potential playing both sides of the fence. We've got outlaw Justin doing the right thing, and we have the loyal Republican Rand Paul doing... whatever it is he's doing.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson