Randall may not equal Ronald but...
Submitted by dwalters on Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:20Every person is an individual that is responsible for his or her own actions. The Pauls are no different. Rand Paul is not Ron Paul, and he should not be expected to mirror his father.
Many times and rather often, I have heard that most politicians are well-intentioned. This may or may not be the case for many of them, but I do believe that Rand Paul is well-intentioned, although I have openly criticized him in the past because I think he panders more than is necessary to stay in the graces of the GOP establishment and risks being labeled as a follower of men rather than a leader of them because of it.
As well, I believe Rand has been weak on foreign policy (probably as a tactic to avoid being pigeon-holed like Ron was by the neo-con propaganda wing of the media). Certainly in rhetoric and in strategy, Rand is not equivalent to Ron, but time will tell if his way will be more effective.
One thing is for sure, Rand is no longer walking in his father's shadow which can neither be labeled as good nor as bad. Rand is his own man.
All criticism aside, someone tell me who would be a better and more viable candidate to represent the agenda of the Liberty Movement for POTUS in 2016? I highly doubt that even if a more acceptable candidate became available that that candidate would be as viable for the simple reason of name recognition.
If given the option, I will likely vote for Rand Paul in 2016.
No one person will be the savior of Our nation. It will take effort from all of us. If we can agree on nothing else, we can probably agree that Rand Paul would at least be a step in the right direction.
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OldNo.7J.D., I was hoping that you would reply
OldNo.7J.D., I was hoping that you would reply to this.
"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul
I did my best in a quick manner
I won't lie, I got a little excited to see you ask for my opinion.
Even if you disagree and slaughter me with a counter-reply, thanks for the ego-boost lol
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
OldNo.7J.D. please read this.
I would never think to slaughter you. I am very strong boots on the ground, grassroots. I know exactly where I stand on issues. But I am new to politics and still learning so I need all of the objective information that I can get. I know that we agree about many things so I value your input. Please keep me on MY toes :-)
What you said above makes sense and I will try very hard to keep that in mind. I have not written Rand off either. Knowing that we have so few Liberty as our representatives, I pray that you are right.
"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul
When I say slaughter
I guess I actually mean prove me wrong on all fronts and force me to submit to your position and listen up lol.
That's happened to me more than once here, people here are good!
As for politics I'm not really an experienced ear so to speak. I'm just a kid who realized I have an obligation to the millions who have died for my Rights and freedom. So now I'm learning everything I can and sharing it wherever I can.
I always like challenging arguments on here because I usually learn something.
I'll be right here with you, fighting the good fight in this rEVOLution of the mind.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
re: when you said slaughter, lol, I knew that :-)
"I'll be right here with you, fighting the good fight in this rEVOLution of the mind."
OldNo.7J.D., count on me to be on the line with you.
Your age has nothing to do with it. Even as an over-achiever in many things in my life, at my age, I am *ASHAMED* that all of my life prior to this year I had NO interest in politics and asked my folks who to vote for, if I even voted. If I couldn't remember the names that they told me, I left them blank!
You are young, invigorated, intelligent, and I envy that. I would give up 10 years of my life to do it over again knowing what I know now. Please consider yourself lucky, and NEVER be afraid to confront the likes of me or others.
I may sound gruff sometimes, but I'm just a good-hearted mid-40's guy who likes to get my point across. And I like hot-wings and babes at bike night, when it's not too cold to ride :-)
"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul
Thank you, I am lucky
and fortunate to know what I've learned from places like this, mises.org, C4L, CATO, and especially Stossel.
I love your attitude, especially that you feel you can learn from anyone.
The best lesson I've ever been taught was something my grandfather said often
"You can learn from a 5 year old negro if you'll just listen".
Keep in mind, my grandfather was born in 1930's Alabama and grew up with governor wallace. He wasn't a racist person but as with anyone else I've met of his age, he spoke the language of his time.
His message to me and everyone else he said that to was basically that we should listen to everyone, regardless of who they were or what they were saying.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
How about you taking your own
How about you taking your own advice.
Larry in North Carolina
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to not support Ron Paul!
You got me there
My first comment was uncalled for, and I apologize. I don't want anyone to "go away"
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
go away? that's how you respond to a different view?
he endorsed and campaigned for a police state loving chicken hawk.
he kissed AIPAC’s … ring
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/rand_paul...
he voted for Iran sanctions: an act of war.
re: your 2nd sentence:
http://www.dailypaul.com/267615/is-rand-for-us-or-not#commen...
Rand needs the GOP
just as badly as the GOP needs him. He wouldn't even be in the Senate without the GOP. I trust Rand to do what is right, he endorsed Romney because he took an oath to support the parties nominee. I think it's okay for Rand to play politics, he may not get shut down like his father.
Honestly, the votes in D.C. on the bills are over my head. If you just look at votes then Ron Paul doesn't look so smart, but he explains why and I believe him.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
But you know for a fact that
But you know for a fact that the nominee is preselected! You know it's rigged man and so does Rand, so why would he say, whoever the nominee is I will support? That doesn't make you sick? Idk guys!!!
juan maldonado
You don't know that
and that is in no way fact. That is suspicion, no one can prove it.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
Really!? Lmao
Really!? Lmao
juan maldonado
i've heard that same kind of belief expressed
in regards to obama; regardless of what he does his supporters still trust him - i find it mind boggling.
correct me if i'm wrong but didn't GOP big shots try and keep rand from winning?
yes he took that oath but he didn't take one to campaign for the nominee, and did he really have to do it on a show that had shown nothing but disrespect for his dad?
i doubt if the GOP old boy network thinks they need any particular politician.
They don't need him
but they need us and we just proved it to them. Would you vote for him in the 2016 primary?
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
if by us
you mean supporters of ron paul and the freedom movement, i'd say you were right, although the MSM nor the GOP admits it.
i would only vote for someone i believed continued to carry the revolutionary message of ron paul on all fronts.
i don't see rand, and i don't think he even see he sees himself as being that person.
You are crazy funny dwalters
you have a real knack for affixing yourself to the leg of the weak candidate and humping away just like you did with that facade of a candidate Gary Johnson.
Make sure to keep your eyes closed tightly because everyone knows there isn't anyone better than Rand.
How come you are no longer hanging with your best little buddy here?
November 6th 2012 I voted for Dr.Ron Paul
"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts. Revolutions are long-term projects." ~ Ron Paul
Well lookie here...
...the troll finally got himself banned, and not a moment too soon IMO.
I'm my own person... I do what I think is best and I don't....
hesitate to speak out.
Even throughout my school days, I was able to speak to any clique that existed. I don't belong or associate myself with any particular group. I reserve the right to disagree with anyone at anytime and will do so.
Rand is quite hated by
Rand is quite hated by progressives due to him branding himself with the the gop tea'rs. That association has already been firmly established 360 degrees. His name has been mentioned by some I know.
My spreading of the Liberty message to progressives does not contain the word Rand like I used to with Ron. To do so, is just about an almost rapport killer.
I agree with that sentiment...
I believe it is because of the pandering he does to satisfy the GOP.
Unfortunately it eliminates him from contention on a national
level.
His endorsement of Todd Aiken basically seals his fate with Dems & progressives:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/rand-paul-todd-akin...
http://www.businessinsider.com/rand-paul-todd-akin-claire-mc...
He also endorsed that lady 'who is not a witch.' So irrrelevant that her name is forgotten, but the ridiculous endorsement is not. Not to mention the ill timed, and very LOUD (on Hannity?!) Romney endorsement. Couldn't he have done it quietly, in a press release?
For all this talk that Rand is "playing the game," he's not playing very smart if he wants to be president.
Among the left, he may as well be Rick Santorum.
Yes, he's playing a different game from his dad, but it is the same in one respect: he's not playing to win.
Reporting on the world from an altitude of 420.
I think that's an oversimplification...
...the Dems who will hate Rand because he made certain "tea party" endorsements are likely people who would hate him anyway simply for having an (R) next to his name, regardless of all other considerations: aka, the mindless party loyalists. On the other hand, many of the more thoughtful Dems, such as were sympathetic to RP, might see past the political show, and see that Rand would be the most anti-war and pro-civil-liberties Republican nominee in history, and vote for him for that reason. So, when it comes right down to it, I don't think Rand would have all that much less appeal among Dems than Ron, and certainly a lot more than Ryan, Rubio, Jeb Bush, Christie, or any of the other mainline neocon douches being discussed as possible contenders for 2016.
Good assessment.
Good assessment.
I don't think so...
Everyone I know who likes Ron gives a thumbs down and shakes their head when it comes to Rand. These are hardcore Ron Paul supporters. They're purists. Rand has to win more than that, of course.
But as far as mass appeal, you need to be more ... mainstream. The dems will just roll out his endorsement for Christine O'Donnel (remembered her name), Todd Aiken, and his support for the definition of life amendment to the Constitution, and it will be all over. That is why the GOP will never allow him to be the nominee, any more than they'd allow Ron, Sarah Palin or Rick Santorum. On a national scale, all of those candidates get slaughtered.
Elections are popularity contests. Ryan has more appeal than Rand. He's taller, more handsome, and he smiles more. Better hair, too. Same for Rubio.
No doubt Rand will be 'part of the conversation' - just like Rick Santorum and Sarah Palin were.
Reporting on the world from an altitude of 420.
rand has more appeal than
rand has more appeal than ryan. people are brainwashed into ryan just as they were with romney. when his image is shoved in their faces 24/7, they are bound to start liking what they see and hear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxvy9XyUtg
It just may come down to,
It just may come down to, will Rand come across as the honest one.
what??
when asked at the RNC what he thought of his father's delegates being evicted, and their votes voided he claimed to know nothing about it.
The Dems are the establishment
The Neocons are the GOP gatekeepers to the Democratic Party (Neoliberal) establishment, where the liberals and conservatives are both suffering under the Neo Agenda, and need a Rand Paul like black needs white to stand out in the grey political fog of smoke and mirrors. It's actually GOOD the liberals don't like Rand.. and what is even better is right now, Rand is the strongest anti-war American in politics.
It is juxaposition Rand gives to the establishment and the rejected liberals (least we forget that many times, liberals become libertarians and not the other way around) that rebel, opens minds, educates, and will eventually restore the republic.
We're up against Neocons, Democrats, Liberals, Neoliberals, MSM and global corporations and international politics (that's saying nothing of ignorance, apathy, opportunism, fear, and hate).
STAND WITH RAND 2016
He needs to use the time he has to heal these wounds...
over the next few years. Speaking loudly of "personhood amendments" isn't going to work. Personally, I think Rand needs to speak more about decentralization which would negate many of the categorizations that have been applied to him.