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Prop Master of Dark Knight Rises Died 3 Months Before Movie Release

Update 1/4/12: Video of Scott Getzingers wife, Susan, speaking at Newtown Board of Education meeting in 2011...Not sure of the full context, but it's obvious she was VERY outspoken against the school district. Wonder what they did to her kids...

Found the video of Scotts wife through this gentleman's youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rJ6veCYtyM

As it's been mentioned here and on other websites, there is a scene in the Dark Knight movie that shows a map of Gotham with the words "Sandy Hook" on it. I'm simply sharing some facts, so please don't "shoot the messenger".

The 'prop master' for the Dark Knight movie, Scott Ketzinger, died in early April of this year, just months before the movies release. As I'm understanding this (please correct me if I'm wrong), it is the 'prop master' that would have had "control" of the map that says "Sandy Hook". Now, I'm not saying that it is Scott Ketzinger (the prop master) that inserted "Sandy Hook" onto the map, but take one guess where Mr. Ketzinger just so happened to be from, and where he died...Newtown.

"Getzinger suffered multiple broken bones, but was described as conscious and alert after being cut out of the 2002 Ford F-150 pickup truck he was driving. State police initially characterized his injuries as non-life threatening.

The accident was reported at 7:02 p.m. when a 1999 Lexus RX300 driven by Alexandra Orteig, 18, of New Canaan."

There was a "passenger" with Ms. Orteig when the accident happened, but they did not go to the hospital and were not identified.

Alexandra Orteig's father, Stephen Orteig, is a member of the U.N. Committee of New Cannan.

Again, please don't "shoot the messenger" for simply sharing this information. I'm not suggesting there's a conspiracy going on here, but I do feel it's worthy discussion. Especially since the person that MIGHT have inserted "Sandy Hook" in to the Dark Knight map is from Newtown, turned up dead months before the movies release, and the person responsible for his death was never charged with ANYTHING (as well as an unidentified "passenger"), and her father just so happens to be a member of a U.N. committee.

Update: Scott Getzinger, the prop master, had 3 children and they still live in Newtown, along with his wife. His children, as of April 2012, were listed as ages 3-11...Sparks interest in wondering if the middle child could have been attending Sandy Hook the day of the shooting...

Also kind of weird that as "popular" as Mr. Getzinger was in the movie industry, there doesn't appear to be a wikipedia page for him.

It was also kind of creepy when checking out his sisters profile on IMDb to find two "all seeing eyes" with the word "devil" in between them. Purely coincidental I'm sure, but it doesn't make it any less creepy.

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Obituray Anomalies

Can someone help me??? 1st, do this: Pick 4 or 5 people from your own life that has passed over the last few years (I started with my grandfather that died in 1978 and a friend that died last year), now GOOGLE their obituary. Everyone of mine had the actual newspaper obituary as the 1st result, you know the one that states birth, death, survived by, etc.
I started looking for the obituaries of the Sandy Hook victims because of all the "coincidences" surrounding this case, just looking for the names of survivors - and was going to research those names and see if I could find any other connections-outside of each of these families having lost a child or family member that day.
I first used the SS Death Index to see if they were all listed there. (They are) Then started trying to pull up newspaper obituaries. That's when it got weird. When I googled their names withe word obituary, I could never find an actual "normal" newspaper obituary. The returns were almost always from a sight called www.legacy.com & all thhe entries are like little stories about how the child was "a joy, always smiling, light of the world, loved animals" etc and interviews with neighbors who remembers each child being this or that--always some glowing words...but could not find the standard newspaper obit. When they are listed in the Newton Bee, it is basically a little short article that has name, birth date, and that the family has requested privacy. That's it. Even the few that I found that did have the parents/siblings/next of kin information, were not in the normal obit format. They were found by looking at about 10 of those googled results before finding actual NAMES, instead of "'blanks' parents said so-in-so about their child"-no names mentioned.
I like most everybody else--even though it was on the TV around the clock forever--I still do not "know" what happened at that school that day. However, I do have enough sense to know that with all these anomalies I doubt we've gotten the whole story!
Some other things that I have questioned...especially because I am a parent would be "Would I have allowed the 'authorities' (who has more authority over the burial of my child than me??) to tell me I couldn't see my child & I had to have a closed-casket funeral??" I understand that if every single person that died that day had been shot close-range in the face or head, the need for a closed-casket at the funeral...but 27 people being gunned down--some admittedly while being sheltered by the "heroic teachers" trying to save them from the "hail of bullets" all being hit in face/head to the point that even family members could not see their children and would all have to have a closed casket??? Maybe there is an explanation - but I can't think of one. If all of these children were so totally disfigured by the gunshots, how were they all positively id'd within an hour or two--without even a family member making those id's?
And one of my biggies (well 2, I guess) Is why, after the "medical examiner"(weird guy!) supposedly examined each of these victims-apparently enough to be able to tell what kind of gun caused their injuries - why did these children lay dead on a floor all day long and were only removed late in the night under the cover of darkness. And why were all these parents so compliant with them doing so---if my baby lay dead on some cold hard floor - you would have had to shoot me to keep me from going to get them. And about those parents--what mother sits and laughs and smiles constantly through an interview when asked how did she feel about not seeing her dead child, and while talking about how they took sharpie pins and colored every inch of her small white casket with all the things she loved. I think about trying to have that conversation if one of my children were dead and I choke up & about cry right now.
Why did CNN opt to use footage from another "incident"(Staged Event)for there "Breaking News" of the Sandy Hook Shooting?
Why was Robbie Parker laughing and cutting up with the reporters right before his interview--then have to make himself hyperventilate to "get into character" for his interview.
Why is EVERY "family portrait" of the Parker's photo-shopped? With Emilie always cropped in on the end? The other two children are obviously being held, with arms around them by the parents...but Emilie is always just kind of stuck there on the end. Even the picture of her standing in front of her dad..why aren't his arms wrapped around her like any normal father/daughter picture would be? She's just kind of stuck there in front of him...and not a whole lot of work gone into fixing the lighting issues of 2 different pictures being combined....and I've seen things written about the fingers of the dad and kids (from being reptilian or claws, to shooting devil signs-I'm not sure about any of that, however, I have done a good bit of photo-shopping, and while fairly decent at it, I'm not an "expert" and can tell you I have gotten that same result too many times to count when trying to take hands from one photo to crop into another photo--especially like the one of the Parkers with him holding the 2 girls on his lap...I must say, tho, that I have never forgotten to give someone legs....)Also, why is Emilie not photographed in any of the school photo's--like her class picture??? That's kind of weird, too. And one more photo anomaly regarding Emilie--how does sh show up on the Presidents lap--after she is already "dead"? Maybe there are some sane explanation to some of these things--but I haven't found one yet.
The sad thing is, whomever is behind these crazy shootings and other weirdness happening in our country realizes they don't even have to "try hard" to sell this insanity because the majority of the people either don't care or so dumbned-down to the point when the truth, the facts, are laid out before them would rather call us "conspiracy nuts" or a million other derogatory names instead of even looking at the truth.
One other thing....All of these stories about the deceased I have been reading (Neighbor interviews, family interviews, etc) all sound like the same damn story, over & over (such a sweet, child, such a joy, always smiling, loved her little siblings, loved animals...blah blah blah) sound like they are written by one person---using the same phrases over and over...I wonder if anyone has one of those programs that teachers/professors use that can pretty much show if more than one paper is authored by a single person. It would be really interesting to see all these stories filtered through a program like that. When I look through our local paper, it is very rare that I see: "So-in-so, neighbor of the deceased, speaking ANONYMOUSLY, said how sweet, wonderful, always smiling, such a joy, loved animals, loved school.loved, loved.loved - Evan the child with autism is described in these exact same words...I'm no expert, but I have had plenty of dealings with autistic children (my son has aspergers), my sister is an A/B therapist & teacher, and I have worked with autistic children through my substitute teaching at school-so while not an "expert", I still have plenty of experience with autism & I must say that the words used to describe this autistic child almost completely is the opposite definition of "autism")...but all who were interviewed would only speak ANONYMOUSLY (NO NAME TO FOLLOW UP WITH LATER!)...who does that??? My neighbor committed suicide a few weeks ago, nobody spoke 'ANONYMOUSLY" about anything...it's just another "strange thing". Also, I live in a very small town...I mean 10 streets, one red light and a corner store-small...I have 6 children - ages from 31 year old down to 13 year old....we have been involved with school functions, church functions, scout & other functions, birthday parties, holiday parties....community get-togethers...everything you'd expect in a small town.... I also substitute teach at our counties schools...and I must say, if I was interviewed by the news about all the children that live just on our street, I could not come up with the details that all of these people that were interviewed following this were able to come up with!
Sometimes, if you just apply common sense and a "what would I do" kind of mentality to these things...you can't help but question the "official story". Well, that is, if you still know how to think for yourself--the majority of people today are just too content to believe what the TV tells them to believe.
And last but not least, when you have lost a family member, someone you love - would you be able to give an interview 24 hours after their death with every hair in place, dressed in well put together out, make up perfect...and not shed a tear--as a matter of fact--be laughing and joking with people just moments from that interview? Would you be able to sit for an interview the day after burying your child--and without a tear--be all smiles and laughs while you discussed your dead child & her funeral? Better yet..could you bury your child without ever seeing him or her--no matter what "shape" they are in? I just wish people would start questioning this story with these kinds of question: WHAT WOULD I DO? I think, in that light, a lot of people will realize there is something really wrong with the Sandy Hook story.
And about the now TWO-FACED Story--of "there was only one shooter and he committed suicide" & "we can't release any info because of fear for the witnesses" -- We have got to DEMAND they choose which story they are going with & DEMAND accountability - and either admit it was more than one shooter AND ARREST SOMEBODY ELSE---or say it was just this LANZA kid and release the rest of the sealed papers!

if months before release and they found the sandy hook...

reference, they would have removed it.

Why bother killing him and leave it there?

Just when you thought it

Just when you thought it couldn't get anymore f'd up...

They do it on purpose. Many of us know that...they leave their calling card every time. They love to leave their mark, but according to their own beliefs they must pre-warn people. They call it, "magick."

Who exactly is, "they."

They're the occult, and they are hidden. The names you know and see are nothing but frontmen for the real powers that be.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.


Getzinger on the list of those who were killed. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/15/sandy-hook-shooting...

Strange coincidence.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

I apologize if it sounded as if I was suggesting

that his children were potential victims, I had seen that they were not on any list prior to the post. However, turns out they (or at least one of them anyway) did attend Sandy Hook..Here's a video of Scotts wife speaking at the Board of Education in Newtown from 2011..Not sure of the full context, but it appears as though she was VERY outspoken against the school district.

Top comment from the video:

"This is why they took out her husband Scott, is because she was so outspoken against the school district. Her husband workd on several Mega Block Busting movies as a Property Manager including the Dark Knight Rises! The press stated on April 7 2012 that Scott got into a car accident, yet the State Patrol said that his injuries were not life threatening, but he died anyway. Guess where her kids went to school? Sandy Hook, I believe. BTW To the Bee, I rip this video :) See ya round."

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I am sorry, but where does it show Getzinger on the list of those killed? I looked at the link and did not see the name.

I said

No Getzinger on the list.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift


I see, your comment was divided into your Subject and your Body. It appeared the "no" was not there.
Then I agree. Not on the list.

Not sure what this entails though.



I agree it is interesting - but I think logic points otherwise

I have built scenery and props, not for movies but live theatre. I several times added a "personal" touch or a "signature" to things on stage. Signs with friend's names, my hometown school name on a building, etc...

I think it is entirely plausable, and I think the most likely, that he did indeed include his home town and Sandy Hook in the movie because it was fun and is his "signature" on a piece of art. Now, it is a little dark and wierd to use it in reference to an "attack". But, to associate his death in a car accident with this rather insignificant thing is a huge stretch.

And, the only conclusions possible with your scenarios are either Getzinger was giving us a "hint" because he knew it was going to happen and then was killed for doing so, or, he was proud of the coming mass murder 8 months later and did it as a finger in the eye. Either one is specious at best. I think the simplest explaination is by far the most reasonable in this case.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

The Name on the Map

Yes, you are talking about artistic expression, which comes from personal experiences.
And what was in the movie was a prop of a map which was already named. Given this fact, there was no opportunity for an artist to have to create such an artistic expression. It had to be consciously changed and is supposedly the only name that was changed. More startling, it wasn't just any part of the map that was changed, it was the place where a terrorist strike was going to occur.

Even given these facts, is it possible that this coincidence was just an artistic expression as you say? Yes, it still is...

But don't let one possibility remove the apparent facts: This was a prop that was changed for a movie which played out during a mass shooting in Aurora supposedly by the property master who dies an untimely (accidental) death which was reported by a United Nations committee person.

Coincidences, yes... But bizarre coincidences with suspicious connections regardless!


You said several times that the map prop was "changed". How do you know it was changed? How did you hear it was changed? How do you know Getzinger made it one way and it was changed?

And...The United Nations "committee" person as you say is no such thing. They are a member of a localized UN group, they are not on the "committee" of the United Nations.

And...The connection between the Aurora shooting and the movie is quite loose. Yes, the people killed were watching the movie. But, that is all you have. To make a connection, you would need to tie both the Aurora and Sandy Hook shooters to Getzinger somehow.

And...while I agree sometimes coincidences might be actual connections, if it is extraordinary, it requires some extraordinary evidence.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Setting the Evidence Straight

Honestly, I don't "know" anything. I wasn't there and didn't witness anything. I'm not anything resembling a forensics expert. And I doubt anyone here on DP can say differently (if so, speak up).

However the evidence posted here on DP showing the name change on the map from South Hinkley to Sandy Hook is available to examine. The map I am sure was a prop that does in fact appear in the movie (though I have not seen the movie myself, as it looks like quite a bit of a bore), and I checked IMDB which lists Getzinger as the property master (assuming him to be in charge of the props on set for the film).

Like I said, this evidence is both bizarre and suspicious, especially when the prop master dies an untimely death. When there is ANY connection to the UN that brings up red flags with me, I don't care how insignificant it is. Good detectives are good for examining the smallest of clues, hence the magnifying glasses. If the member of the UN group is completely clean of any wrong doing then it should be shown to have no leads. Otherwise I am always suspect of anything UN-related, just my rule of thumb.

Granted, I have given you an acknowledgment that this could all be odd coincidences, I'd be happy to receive some respect back stating that there is reasonable suspicion here. As the least these circumstances can be at this point is reason for investigation - blowing all evidence off as "artistic expression" is unreasonable and will be met with dissatisfaction. If you are so keen on removing suspicion, please do so with evidence and we will both be satisfied.

I don't know which is creepier,

that a prop master from Newtown, CT likely responsible for the map in Dark Knight Rises indicating that Sandy Hook was a target would himself die an untimely death. Or the fact that towns with UN Committees annually raise the UN flag at their Town Halls:

"ABOUT UNA-USA: The United Nations Association of the United States of America (UNA-USA) is a membership organization dedicated to inform, inspire, and mobilize the American people to support the ideals and vital work of the United Nations."(unausa.org)

See their four-pronged advocacy agenda: "securing US-UN funding; advancing human rights through the UN; encouraging US ratification of international treaties; and supporting the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs)" P.S. When you hear "Millennium Development Goals," think Agenda 21. http://www.unausa.org/advocacy/advocacy-agenda

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

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just strange

stir that pot :)

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Interesting information

thanks for posting.

More and more "coincidences" popping up all the time. I wonder how long it will take until the general population concludes that something is amiss.

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

Thanks, unfortunately there's a few of these

around too http://www.dailypaul.com/267776/conspiracy-to-distract-the-d...

I'm certainly not here to "distract" anyone, just trying to dissect what's been going on. As you stated, "interesting" and "coincidences"...Sums it up pretty nicely, even if that's all they turn out to be.

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The public won't be noticing.

According to various report, waaaaaayyy too many Americans are not even aware of the fiscal cliff and the ramifications involved with that. We have a dumbed down populace. Sometimes I think it would be an easier life were I not informed.