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How does one go about being a "truther"?

I made a thread this morning trying to calm down truthers here. Through good arguments and directly proving my entire premise wrong, I'm on your side now. How do you go about being a truther in public? I know it's not easy but I'm in, I want to help out the truth.

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videos, the Winter Soldiers and Vetrans of the Iraq war tell their stories of killing innocent people. I am a mother, (very sensitive) so for me, every single one of those killed, was somebody's child, father, brother, sister, mother. One that got to me the most, was when a woman lost her family to a bomb inside a building. The soldier who did it, was visibly upset, and she comforted him. The man who killed her loved ones, she touched his face, and comforted HIM.

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

FOR THE RECORD

We love your Honesty, your Heart and your Courage. Press on brother, as many are following behind your footsteps

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

sharkhearted's picture

THANK YOU!

Much appreciated...and honored to be in this with you all.

May justice rain down like water....

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

No.7's picture

I love your enthusiasm

You've got a lot of Patriotism and I like what you say.

However, you and Granger need to get along. We're on the same team here.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

sharkhearted's picture

No...we do NOT need to get along.

That is not your prerogative..or hers...or mine.

That is for each one of us to decide. No authoritarianism here.

We can vehemently disagree...and still, at the end of the day...well perhaps we might agree..

BUT I AM REMINDING YOU AGAIN. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DEATHS OF AMERICANS AND AMERICAN TROOPS EVEN MORE THOUSANDS OF DEATHS OF NON AMERICANS SO....THIS IS A REALLY SERIOUS ISSUE...OF MASS CRIMES OF EPIC PROPORTION.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

No.7's picture

I agree that 9/11 is a really big deal

I'd like to take action but there really isn't much someone like me can do to bring justice for 9/11. All I know that I can do is spread word to others and prove to them that the Government is lying about it.

However I disagree, we all need to get along here. Divided we fall, united we stand. It's not the end of the world that you disagree, but name calling and telling us to ignore her only makes us all look weak.

We're all in this thing together, and I respect both of you.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

sharkhearted's picture

You have no idea of the disinformation campaign

...that this individual has embarked upon.

Words like "You will be screaming 'controlled demolition' 20 years from now...and we will be no closer to justice."

What kind of piss-poor cop out response is THAT?

AGAIN...3000 PEOPLE are DEAD...66% of the 30,000 9-11 relief workers are either dead or sick....and 6,000 of our troops are dead because of that day.

At this point...as I have wasted many minutes of my valuable time with her disinformation-ass self, you, me HER, have a ....MORAL RESPONSIBILITY to to get to the truth.

Lets join together and go about avenging the perpetrators of 9-11 and bring about justice for the FAMILIES OF THE VICTIMS.

But please stop the disinformation. It is BULL-S-H-I-T

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

No.7's picture

All she's saying

is that she doesn't believe an investigation about controlled demolition is the best way to bring justice. I think she wants to indict big names. That's all your arguing about from what I can gather from this. It's okay if you think she's wrong but it's not okay for us to call each other names. We're adults and you're better than that.

I honestly don't know how to help bring those families justice.

If I did know how to help them I'd be doing it right now.

From what I can see Granger is a good person, like you, and she's on your team. So am I.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

sharkhearted's picture

That is the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard

The smoking (actually loaded) GUN of the mystery of the events of 9-11 are, exactly, how three skyscrapers hit by two planes...defied physics, science, and history and roared down into their own footprints, at some times at the speed of gravity!

From a scientific point of view...and, in a court of law, if the judge and jury had a remotely competent understanding of the BASIC LAWS OF PHYSICS...then yeah...the controlled demolition evidence would be the smoking gun and a good judge would smack that gavel down with a guilty verdict.

I remind you again....3000 INNOCENT PEOPLE AND FIRST RESPONDERS ARE DEAD....PLUS MANY SICK 9-11 SITE WORKERS....PLUS 6,000 OF OUR DEAD MILITARY.

THIS IS A SERIOUS, SERIOUS, SERIOUS SITUATION....AND FAR BEYOND PEOPLE GETTING ALONG.

I don't care about "getting along" (Rodney King!) I just want justice for the families of the victims and the real truth of this horrific day...to be made known...no thanks to the disinfo coverup agents who try to whitewash it...as I might remind you...you did as well until recently.

THerefore...rather than try and police the situation here...as you were once part of the problem....maybe you'd better back off as well and support the bigger picture...and actually listen to the 9-11 Truth Movement....who put much credence in the controlled demolition hypothesis as INCONTROVERTIBLE evidence that the government sanctioned story about 19 Arab men armed with box-cutters...pulling off the greatest heist in world history....cannot be true.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

TwelveOhOne's picture

"THIS IS A SERIOUS, SERIOUS, SERIOUS SITUATION"

Agreed. I watched "2012 Awakening" yesterday (it was posted here a few days ago). In it, they mentioned that the US has two GOES satellites, which monitor the Earth's magnetic fields. On 9/11/2001, 15 minutes after the first plane hit (and 15 minutes before the second), the satellites recorded a strong change.

I've found a similar article on this: http://www.healyourlife.com/author-gregg-braden/2010/02/wisd...

You are correct, this is extremely serious. The Earth has been thrown off-balance by these jokers. Who will meet justice, one way or another (swiftly, or through guilt-ridden disease).

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No.7's picture

It's her opinion

You can say she's wrong, but the only 'stupid' things I've read on this thread is her original comment and your name calling and comment saying "Ignore Granger". That's it, everything else you say is awesome, but you can at least quit calling names and belittling. This website is about peace and love. Not hostility and bickering.

Let me remind you, WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM

United we stand, divided we fall.

You're both for 9/11 truth, just going about it in different ways. That's okay, you don't have to call her stupid and you certainly shouldn't ignore everything she says because you disagree on one thing.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

sharkhearted's picture

I will remind you again....

I care not about 'getting along".

And I take great issue that someone who would say "20 years from now and you will be screaming controlled demolition and no justice will be served".

In other words...why bother...which is exactly the COP OUT approach so far.

Look, I will remind you again....3000 INNOCENT PEOPLE AND FIRST RESPONDERS ARE DEAD....AND 66% OF THE 33,000 9-11 WORKERS ARE SUFFERING COMPLICATIONS FROM THE BUSH-SANCTIONED EPA DECLARED LIE THAT GROUND ZERO WAS SAFE...AND 6,000 OF OUR TROOPS ARE DEAD....AND SCORES OF THOUSANDS MISSING LIMBS, EYES, AND SOULS.

THIS IS A SERIOUS, SERIOUS, SERIOUS SITUATION...UNLIKE ANY WE HAVE EVER FACED.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Why bother?

I'm not saying "why bother?"

I'm saying that the controlled demolition is being given to us because it is not the smoking gun.

A smoking gun for example would be documents/transmissions that indict specific people. For an example.. a P.O. or delivery for thermite. A smoking gun would be a video that shows a crew delivering, receiving, planting thermite...

What happened on 911 is like an iceburg. 911 Truth focuses on the tip, and people like you, keep us there.

BTW, I didn't downvote any of your posts until you began threatening me, calling me names, and pointed out the downvotes given to me.

I have always stood for 911 Truth to post on DP. I don't agree with 911 Truth, but I stand for their freedom of speach.

sharkhearted's picture

For the record: I have NEVER threatened you.

Yes, I called you names...and for that I SINCERELY apologize. I'm sorry.

But for the record... I never threatened you. Back to business:

No. The smoking gun is INDEED controlled demolition, because NIST denied it.

You say 9-11 Truth focuses on the "tip." and that people like me keep us there.

That is laughable. You have NO idea the level of effort and work we are doing behind the scenes...to get beyond the "tip".

And the foot in the door, at the "tip" where we start prosecuting, is indeed NIST and the 9-11 Commission Reports, as their taxpayer-funded "reports" are so fraudulent and negligent, that the reports themselves, are crime scenes.

Start prosecuting with the coverups in these reports by government bureaucrats...and work our way up the chain of command, from there.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I apologise

I took this as a threat:

Please SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE.

Or otherwise...like NORAD....stand down.

Either way...the spotlight is now...upon YOU.

Seemed like an ultimatum to me. I apologise for misreading your post.

And I accept your apology.

I hope justise prevails in our lifetime, your way or my way.

sharkhearted's picture

It will...we are working hard on it now!

And happy new year to you.

Sorry for the friction.

Best,

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Thank you

(((((((((sharkhearted))))))) You made my NY! THANK YOU!

Ditto on the "best".

Cheers!

sharkhearted's picture

Thank you, too.

One of the things I hate about blogs and email wars in general is that it is so impersonal without face to face and eye to eye normal discourse.

I am sure we would get along just fine in person.

Again, I am sorry for jumping the gun on you. How very un-libertarian of me.

I just get so moved and impassioned about all the dead and sick people and troops because of 9-11...and it gets the best of me.

Well, here's a toast to the truth, which we are both after.

Have peaceful, prosperous, and happy new year.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I agree

Afterall, I appreciate a good fight, and definately would want a sincere fighter for truth and justice like you on my side.

sharkhearted's picture

Thank you!

Those are some really nice words and I appreciate them.

I HATE blog interface that destroys normal face to face discourse. We would get along just fine, in person, I am sure.

The poster of this forum was right all along. (Thanks Old.No.7J.D.! You are a good man.) We are on the same page...and have been all along.

Granger, I sincerely apologize for all the mean-spirited things I said and I appreciate you being such a good sport in still treating me like a friend.

Onward!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I feel you

Those aren't nice words I posted to you.. I mean them. I'm not a sweet talker. I say what I mean, and somethimes that works for folks, and sometimes it does not (note all my downvotes ;))).

It's issues like 911.. all these years.. in some ways I'm numb.. just too much pain, so I FEEL your pain, and it rolls off me because I've got so much of my own over it.. I don't disagree with your sentiments, and I'm impressed by your passion.. beautiful soul you;ve got there.. you have always been a friend and that's why it didn't upset me, but hurt me to see you in so much pain.

((((((((((sharkhearted)))))))))

I miss the cute mug shot, but celebrate your new picture, BTW.

sharkhearted's picture

You just made me tear up. Wow. Thank you.

I feel like such an ass for ever losing my temper...damn I am an idiot.

Friends.

Yeah I figured I should take my picture down as I am going to make some controversial challenges (not that the NSA doesn't have every picture and email timestamped of me already LOL) against the government. Just created this simple website today. We'll see where it goes.

All the best and happy new year.

www.911crimes.org

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

YOU created www.911crimes.org?

Soooo YOU created that web site?

And you're going to make a top post for DP?

And I have permission to email it to the local truther community? Boy will they be shocked to see me again.. probably happy actually.

You write exceptionally well.. you've got talent. You made 911crimes.org?

My hat is off to you.

sharkhearted's picture

Thank you!

I guess since the NSA and the FBI and the State Department are already watching my every move (LOL)...it doesn't matter that I admit that I did lol.

Thank you for your support. At the end of the day...we are all patriots trying to take our country back.

Thank you, The Granger. I sincerely hope you have a peaceful and prosperous new year.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

It is an absolute coincidence that I'm replying to you Granger

I promise. I was going to reply tho whomever it was anyway. I was looking for the most commented comment. I just wanted to see how narrow we could make the column. Oooo...rhetorically too I guess.
At best, it's injected levity. At worst, it's irritated you. Both are minor, and both will pass.
I had just drank a great juice and am in good spirits. Childsplay is good at my age---in moderation of course. Marching on...

Thank you

Injecting levity is a wonderful.

Have a great posting day!

No.7's picture

Peace and Love!!!

You guys are awesome

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

You guys?

Maybe it takes an awesome person to know awesome people?

I hope you've found a home here. You're a great addition, mediator and channel for peace and love. God Bless You.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

No.7's picture

aww shucks... Thanks Granger!

May God bless you and bring you much prosperity.

Happy New Year!

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

sharkhearted

sharkhearted is a true patriot and a very good guy. I know that Granger's feathers get ruffled, which I think is cute, but it would be great if we all got along :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul