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How does one go about being a "truther"?

I made a thread this morning trying to calm down truthers here. Through good arguments and directly proving my entire premise wrong, I'm on your side now. How do you go about being a truther in public? I know it's not easy but I'm in, I want to help out the truth.

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The silver dime is anti-microbial as is gold and copper.

Drop them both, one sounds like real money to me. It has a nice ring to it.

I appreciate St. Augustine's formulation that God at least is Truth. Deus Veritas. Liars reject God.

I've appreciated and have been following both your posts.

Free includes debt-free!

No.7's picture

The mercury dime isn't going anywhere

It helps me make more putts lol.

Thanks for sharing, I do believe God exists, but I'm more of a deist than anything. I believe God is too broad and extraordinary for anyone to truly understand.

I also believe some liars embrace God and misuse His following for their own ego. You know who I'm talking about, the TV preachers always asking for donations to save your soul.

I believe many other church leaders all to often preach without providing proper context. To read the Gospel without knowledge of the Roman war on Jews or Roman culture is the same as reading The Diary of Anne Frank without knowledge of the Holocaust.

True knowledge of God has been the most difficult endeavor in the search for truth for me so far, that's the main reason I'm a deist.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

An idea of god, each of us has one. What more can be claimed?

Augustine's whole statement was, "God is Truth, Justice, Goodness and Sublimity but chiefly Truth.

The Greek word for truth is alathea. Lathe is the River of Forgetfulness in Hades, Alathea is literally without forgetfulness. Once the Truth is recognized it is unforgettable only deniable. These are, however, just concepts or ideas of God.

Is there anything unforgettable in these concepts, each can decide for themselves. Is that what each of us is challenged to do once the question is asked?

I often think about the question Emmanuel Kant asked, "Is it possible to be aware of the presence of God? He argues that in a being fit to be self aware of their own presence it follows that we can be aware of another's presence.

Fritz Schelling asks. is God not the very freest of beings, free to be or not to be.

That leaves man with three obstacles: Am I fit to be present to myself. God is not present to me for whatever reason, God is present but I am blind.

Augustine warns of another obstacle, that of "thinking of God in a carnal manner." In other words maybe my "idea of God" is faulty.

In the meantime, I'll just struggle with this problem as men and women before me have for 250 generations or more.

Free includes debt-free!

No.7's picture

Right there with you

Sometimes I think I feel God, and know Him. Other times I feel like I couldn't be farther from knowing God.

At times I feel peace and love inside me, and I help others. Other times I feel hate and evil inside me, and only nastiness and bad deeds come out. I try to fight that, but it's there.

Sometimes I feel like we are Satan, and that the spirit of God is dragging me on His path. Even when I do everything I can to get away from God's plans for me, it seems He puts me in my place.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

The hardest part to me is...

accepting that people are so naive, that they still believe the Govt cares about them!
But if you can show them their track record,
Federal reserve act, Roosevelt selling our gold for a profit, Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Warren commission ect...
Maybe then they will start to think!
And its funny too that all the people I know that like Bill Clinton, cannot explain why so many people associated with him have committed suicide! Hello... McFly!
And that's just in the last century of the US!
How about the USS Liberty? Attacked by our good friend, Israel!

Oh and one last thing, I would change the term "truther"... Van Jones is a truther...

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

No.7's picture

Thanks for sharing

I know a little about all these things except for the Clinton suicides. I'll definitely look it up.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Be warned...

it may sicken you...
It truly breaks my heart to the point of anger!
And I wonder how any in our Govt can be a part of it!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

No.7's picture

It won't be the first time

One thing that has always bothered me about the Kennedy assasination is the fact that the driver kept slow until he saw Kennedy's head explode, then he punched it. He waits almost 15 seconds with his foot on the brake after both men have been shot. Anyone trained to drive the President should have gunned it as soon as the man said "I'm hit".

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

The vid was censored a few years ago around 07/08

I believe the vid was only up afew days, but many people saw it. Greer was the driver (SS provided by the federal reserve bank) and the vid that clearly showed Greer as the assassine. All I'm getting right now is censored vids http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLvoT9nbSb0 But you can see in the margin, there are many who saw that vid of Greer, and the disinfo vids saying the driver did not do it.

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I've seen that video

I think what everyone thought was a gun was just the sun hitting Connelys hair. It still bothers me that his foot was on the brake for so long.

Listening to the doctors that saw him in Dallas, seeing the V cut in the front of Kennedies head in the autopsy photo, and seeing the people charging the grassy knoll in the videos. There's no doubt in my mind that the fatal shot came from the grassy knoll, just the way it's portrayed in the movie JFK. Back and to the left, back and to the left.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

The banned video made it very very clear

It was on YouTube for about two weeks back in 07. And I think that everyone who saw that vid.. there was no sun reflection, no signs, no lower part of the film out of the picture, but a very clear film, unmistakable and unforgetable. I'm sure folks burned CDs.. but YouTube is not going to allow it up again.

The good thing about that vid was it brough closure, and that brings up part of my problem with 911 Truth.. there's no ability for closure, rather, it continues to IMO to spur anti-American sentiment.

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Zapruder did say himself that the film had been doctored

The one thing that is absolutely certain is that the Warren Commission is lying.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Honestly

I can't fathom the ability to have been a witness and to not ne able to say anything... What a miserable life that must be.

H L Mencken

The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is very apt to spread discontent among those who are.

good words--

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Quietly,

and with conviction.

Search for the truth - that's

Search for the truth - that's about it.

and

tell those that will listen what you have found!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Talk about it

talk about it!

Start a blog, join forums, and if you don't have a truth group in your area start one. Our truth group used to meet for formal meetings once a month, when we were organizing lectures and conferences.

We have a website, an email discussion list and a MeetUp group. I used to be admin for the website, but I'm too busy now, so we use our MeetUp page to announce events.

We do street action on the 11th of every month, with a tent in front of the art gallery downtown. We're a fixture now and get mentioned in the local papers.

We also meet for brunch every Sunday. All sorts of people come to visit us. Sometimes we get a huge crowd of people for brunch, the core group is about 15 to 20 people. It's a cross section of society, young, old, rich, poor ... however everyone is above average intelligence and cares about making a positive contribution.

We've been doing this since 2007.

you're careful to whom you speak about what--

you question everything, keep your mouth closed and watch for people you can trust who are also seeking--

that is what I have done--

I've tried to talk to people and found them not 'ready'--

but generally I've kept my mouth shut except on places like DP--

because people will shut *you* down--

eyes glaze over (deer in headlights look)--

But . . . question the validity of everything, and hang on to some basic principles--

for me those are:

God
family
liberty

anything else is bogus--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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How to be a TRUTHER?

Ignore disinformation agents on here and people with their head up their hindquarters when all the evidence of 9-11 is staring them in their blind faces....and proceed forward.

Seems like everybody who is rational and sane and acknowledges the existence of absolute truth...would want to get the full story of the events of 9-11...and not necessarily the "official" story sanctioned by the government and parroted by their state-run media outlets...but stranger things have happened.

If anything, appealing to people's moral nature, that anybody who understood "moral responsibility"...that, when 3,000 innocent people died that day, and 6,000 of our troops have been killed because of that day, and that it has been the FAMILIES of all the victims of that day that have really initiated the 9-11 Truth Movement....that we have a MORAL RESPONSIBILITY to get to the truth.

But yet...even after all that...mountains of evidence readily available, millions of people calling for a new investigation...and that pesky little concept called "moral responsibility"...STILL...these so called "debunkers" and deniers and disinformation agents proceed with their primitive, deceptive process.

IGNORE THEM!

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

controlled demolation prooves NOTHING

who you indicting?

NO ONE

20 years you'll still be screaming "controlled demolation" and not be one period closer to truth or justice.

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I have not read this entire thread, but I have followed some of what is being researched outside of this forum.

To say that 'controlled demolition proves nothing' is completely false. Whether it will be openly accepted as common fact and admitted to the people is another story. But with truth, facts remain.

Granger, truth is what we seek. Someday history may possibly educate children about the corruption, lies, that once dominated our society. To dismiss anything regarding truth is simply unjust and serves no purpose other than to perpetuate the lies and cover-ups that we so oppose.

Here is another example: Rubber melts. It also vulcanizes. But there is evidence concerning 'vaporized' tires, moldings, etc. blocks away. This can only happen under certain conditions, such as by nuclear reaction.

This topic may or may not interest you, but to comment on subjects such as this, please do some in-depth research prior to commenting.

I did not vote you down on this :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

We can agree to disagree :))

Justice is what I seek. And controlled demolation is a fact, that we are being given to dwell on because it doesn't help connect dots.

As you may have seen with other conspracy, the truth is always in our face.. it's our glasses (rose colored or what have you) that give us perspective, and to me, controlled demolation is part of the controlled disinformation.. (there's the inside job).

As I said, I was a truther. I enjoy conspiracy theory. I don't enjoy being told what I have to think or being threatened for thinking "outside the truther box". I'm not damnung truthers.. if that's the best you can do.. enjoy it.. but for me.. well Ron Paul woke me up... I appreciate what Ron Paul has done with 911.. He's spot on and like Ron Paul.. I would be happy to support an investigation, but admit, if it's about controlled demolation.. I would not expect truth or justice to prevail.

You see.. it's not about being wrong.. it's about learning and if all truthers have is controlled demolation.. they ain't got nothing, I'm sorry to say.

In all honesty, downvotes don't mean much to me. If all I got was upvotes and everyone agreeing with me, I'd leave DP from bordom.

Oh, no! Dang. You're so close. You even said it yourself.

"...it's not about being wrong...it's about learning and if all the truthers have is controlled demolition...they ain't got nothing..."
That right there.
I've kept my eye on this post, and noticed someone calling you a NWO somthingorother. I've had an exchange or two with you before so decided to see for myself what was up with this.
Controlled demo IS something. And it's big. However, it is NOT "all truthers have"--- it's just the biggest and most obvious. It led me to look more. Actually, I poured over everything I could find. And it's certaily not controlled disinformation.
Now, the other part---"about learning"--- that's where you're so close. I'm a science guy. I respect natural laws. This is where you should take your own advice and learn. There's way too much info on this topic to go over it. Too bad you're way over there or we could share a doob and chat for hours. There's a lot of real science here.
Lastly, if you have not really looked into this, please don't dis it. It's real, and it's big. All this Patriot Act, wars, and NDAA bullshit spawned from it. It was this 911 issue that led me though a convoluted path of science, then history, then politics, then Paul, and eventually...here, talking to you. Please either learn more about it, or at least, if you won't, don't knock it.

Right, there's a lot of real science

And it's all real entertaining and educational isn't it? Yeah. I can see controlled demolation an engineer's porn.

I'm not knocking 911 controlled demolition truth. I'm not calling anyone names. I'm not saying, don't make truther posts. Make all the truther posts you want. Enjoy with all your heart. I'll be happy to bump your post to tell you, I don't see it your way. Some folks like porn (engineering or what have you, as some folks love looking at pictures of buds all day, they find it entertaining and educational. I don't.

I'm not telling anyone what or how to think about 911 controlled demolation. I'm saying, respectively, I don't agree that the controlled demolation of the WTC is the key to truth, justice or vengence. It's a lost leader allowed to us by the perpetrators to keep enquirering minds entertained, and possibly educated.

Thank you for your perspective and best of luck with the controlled demolation box bringing truth, justice, revenge, peace, love and happiness, prosperity and good health, forever and ever.

I think you missed my point.

What's with the porn comment? Do you think I'm looking at the demolition of the buildings like people watch muscle cars or blowing shit up? What about conservation of momentum, conservation of energy, and the melting point of iron? Do you think I'm getting off to those too? Yeah, I get off to watching the violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
Look, Ron Paul himself knows what's going on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrQVaiFYmcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d91a13Yr3oQ
We all want the truth, and that can be found by facts. Evidence.
I can't quite figure out your angle. It's like a Paul supporter who continues to think the Federal Reserve is a part of our government and it's a good thing. That's a conspiracy theory too you know.
Is it that you think the demolition obsession is juvenile? Or this whole thing won't go anywhere? Or do you believe the official story? I'm very lost on the passive aggression.

I really don't believe I missed your point

What's with the porn comment, is that I was attempting to show you that to me, the controlled demolition focus on 911 as "truth", is much like porn to me, because there's this feeling that one is watching something they should not be, something that is secret, personal, virtually captivating and obsessive, and ultimately, all one is left with, is whatever one makes of it, be it standing on street corners offering free controlled demolation CDs, or blogging, or finding and interest in engineering, what ever moves one.

I do not think anything of you except what you tell me.. You believe 911 controlled demolation is relevant to truth. I believe you are in the vast majority.

And yes, I do believe that people who enjoy watching stuff being blown up, demolitions, fires, really really like watching the collapsed demolition, but not the deaths/murders, or loss of rights. The squibs bursting, the pancaking, the sounds of explosions going off before the buildings fall upon themselves are amazing.

And yes I agree Ron Paul knows what is going on, the controlled demolation is obvious. We have the truth and the truth is 911 was a controlled demolition that murdered thousands of innocent people, and begat illegal and unconstitutional wars since. We have the truth.

What we don't have is evidense that leads to arrests. Watching controlled demolitions is not indicting anyone. I don't believe demolition obsession is juvenile. I watched it for years. Gee, I remember when the controlled demolition stuff first came out, immediately, and as I recall, the first ones were coming out of France. It was like you were watching something that was prohibited.. as if I had come across Top Secret eveidense, and sharing that information was difficult, because so many people were in deep mouring, shock and awe.. that terrible music MSM played for weeks (I don't own a TV, but I could hear others, and everyone had there TVs on, and people were upset and afraid). So saying, "The planes didn't do that, it was controlled demoition and I have proof!" was infringing on people's mourning, when the first controlled demolition vids came out.

Gosh.. I remember all those American flags.. evryone had American flags..and as the controlled demolition vids came out, the flags went away and truthers came out to stand on street corners (I already had the vids).. I have a nice little collection of CDs from way back then.. and we are in the same place today. THAT is what gets me about 911 truth.

We've got truth. What we don't have is justice, and at this point, I find 911 Truth, and it's intolerance of others ideas (especially in the name of libertarianism), a hurdle to justice.

For all the 911 threads on DP over the years, I have never posted that it should be censored or off topic. While I don't agree with 911 Truth, I stand for their right to say what they think about it. I think it's healthy form to vent, just loook at all the anger, hate, frustration from those who post about 911 truth.

What is interesting is how 911 Truth does not stand for my right to have a different opinion, and that I am attacked. That is very interesting to me.. Now I'm being accused of being a govt. plant.

Am I not allowed to disagree and have my own opinion with 911 Truth? Apparently.

So, I'm going to dissagree and post my opinion anyways.

Gotcha.

Well, End the Fed rallies haven't ended the fed either. But people are waking up.
I don't think 911 Truth is infringing on people's mourning---at least not anymore. If anyone says it is at this point, it's just a product of the psyop. It was the families that joined in on this early remember. They were the ones that got Kissinger off the panel.
The more people that know what's going on the better. Something in me says that if the majority of the population understands what 911 really was, we're all better off. I've changed the minds of many in my circle, and they've in turn done the same. I don't belong to any official "911 Truth" group either, but I'm all for them. I'm just a guy who talks about it--- trying to change hearts and minds, so to speak.
As much as I'd like to see indictments, I don't think that will happen. That doesn't mean however, that it is a lost cause.
Anyway, seems like this horse is dead. Good luck with your foci.

End the Fed rallys have not ended the fed.

I only joined the GOP when RP made his second bid for president, knowing he was not going to go third party (I joined the LP in 76 and went indy in 93, so this is my first major party membership and participation). The only regret I have is not joining the GOP in 07. I look back and see all my activism, sign waving, petitioning, rallying and protesting.. it was all a waste of MY time (I'm not saying it is a waste for others). Everything I did as an Indy, I can do better in the GOP because the GOP is established.

At the time.. weeks after 911.. when I was getting my first vids.. at that time people were in mourning and there was no "truth" movement. Now, I believe the majority of people know 911 was controlled demolition.

I don't think it matters how many people know. I think it matters that people who have power not only know, but are willing to get the evidense and indict people.

My hope, is that people like myself, who joined the GOP and took committee seats, became vetted and won elected offices will enable the powers that are willing and wanting to restore the republic, can support that power and obtain justice. I appreciate the luck. Thank you.

My fear is that 911 truth disolves the republic by encouraging people to hate America and the Republic, which is what 911 truth does best.