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How does one go about being a "truther"?

I made a thread this morning trying to calm down truthers here. Through good arguments and directly proving my entire premise wrong, I'm on your side now. How do you go about being a truther in public? I know it's not easy but I'm in, I want to help out the truth.

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sharkhearted's picture

You didn't address this man's question--as usual.

Tell us exactly WHY WTC7...which was NOT hit by a plane...yet it "collapsed" into its own footprint, at times at the speed of gravity?

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

No.7's picture

Also

Why did British TV say report WTC7 had collapsed with a live feed of a standing WTC7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

By Jove, I think he's got it!

That is how! Answer their question with another question. Don't say "The BBC is part of a media conspiracy" (even though it is a valid point) point to something irrefutable. That video exists, they can go see it.
You're a quick study!

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

LOL...yeah, he is catching

LOL...yeah, he is catching on.

Once you become a truther, you can never go back.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

BS

I was a truther, but then, being a proud tin foil hatter for decades being I LOVE conspiracy theory.. still do, but 911 is getting NO WHERE.. looping with "controlled Demolition". When it comes to conspiracy theory, it's the LAMEST of them all, I'm sorry to say. What I see in 911 is controlled foil, and misplaced blame.. I mean seriously.. 911 has gotten no where closer to justice, I don't care how mant times or ways you've seen YouTube 911 controlled demolitions.. the answer is not there.

You, Bill Gillinham, and

You, Bill Gillinham, and fireant are 3 of the biggest stooges at the DP. Brothers from another mother.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Brothers?

With research like yours, God help you.

Seriously!

God help you. SERIOUSLY!

God help you.

SERIOUSLY!

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Thnak you

Thank you!

sharkhearted's picture

The only BS...is your continued stream of disinformation

You are either a) brainwashed, or b) mentally challenged, or c) a disinformation agent conducting psy-ops (though not very well!!)

Nobody.....NOBODY goes backwards...once they discover the truth. You are NOT an ex-truther.

It would be RETARDED to ignore the huge and I mean HUGE body of evidence calling into question the official Bush-Cheney state-sponsored government conspiracy.

And you, by extension, mocking and saying that "9-11 has gotten no where closer to justice" (thus implying that we should all just give up)....have become a partner by extension, of helping cover-up, by non-action, the worst mass murder mystery in US history.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Give up?

I'm not saying "give up". I'm saying you're wearing a contaminated tin foil hat that will not deliver you truth or justice. Controlled demolation is not going to indict anyone who is guilty.

It is YOU and those like YOU who continue to work very hard at delaying TRUTH and justice with your controlled demolition facts that go no where.

A great conspiracy is composed of many conspiracies.. all you've got is one little piece that was given to you, controlled demolation (let the dumbed down population dwell on math).. by who?

You seem to think that those who participate in conspiracies don't think about how to cover their tracks by giving "evidense" (controlled demolation) they want you to have. You bought it hook, line and sinker, and so do many people who are new to conspiracy theory.. and we have many here,, very new.. very nieve.

But if it makes you happy, by golly.. wave that sign. I'll honk.

And the SF Earthquake 1906, which became fires, that became the Federal government using black dynamite to blow SF and it's 37 national banks (all holding gold and silver) up.. and disposing of a population of over 3 million people, thousands murdered and millions were moved out of SF.. and Los Angeles was born. "Damnest Finest Ruins" great documantary about it.. least we forget the long slaughter of native Americans.. I can go on and on.. 911 was wrong, but so is 911 truth as it abets, covers up and delays truth and justice, and as usual.. in the name of truth.

sharkhearted's picture

So, as before....

You are either:

a) brainwashed
b) mentally retarded
c) a paid disinformation and pay-ops agent

Which is it?

Show your true colors. Who are you? Why are you here?

ANSWER.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Pretty slim choices

At this point, you take your pick at which color you want to paint me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_358OhIRqo

My profile and contact is posted.

As to why I'm here.. I joined the Ron Paul rEVOLution back in 07, have many friends here, and love DP.

And here's a song for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub75Sk1Wrcc

sharkhearted's picture

Your DOWNVOTES are immense, widespread, and notable.

Do you really....REALLY think that you are an 'honest" liberty-minded DP'er on here...or a disinformation agent??

Which is it??

Where have you advanced the cause of DEMANDING a REAL investigation of the events of 9-11??

Show the links!

Where have you only and ALWAYS not provided maximum and total resistance to any challenge of the "official" government story of the events surrounding that murderous day??

Please SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE.

Or otherwise...like NORAD....stand down.

Either way...the spotlight is now...upon YOU.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Oh no, not the dreaded downvotes!

Oh my.. boo hoo.. I;'m all so torn up now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02lXLiFsRtE

Advancing what cause? To tell the universe that 911 was controlled demolation? Is that justice? Is that actually solving anything?

I'm with Ron Paul on 911. Ron Paul turned the tables.. but I don't think you get that.. 911 was employed as an excuse by the NEO establishment (which you support), and Ron Paul turned the tables using 911 as an example of bad foreign policy, a way to end the conflicts.. brilliant. And that's where I'm at on my GOP committee.

Real Investigation? By who/what? CIA? FBI? Where do you think real investigation is going to come from? MSM? Ben Swann?

The spotlight is on me, like a Nazi cioncentraition camp? Is that what happens to truthers? Think and say what you say or be threatened? Only prooves you ain't got nothing but being a bully.

Enjoy.. shine on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLKiMbC6s2k

controlled demolition

by global elite seeking to remedy the loss of prime real restate by controlled demolation that they could not do legally due to the Kyoto Protocol agreement signed by Clinton, revoked by Bush, who had no idea what was happening (I am not a Bush fan).

From my perspective

controlled demolition does not mean it was an inside job. It was an international job by global elites who were unable to demolish the buildings legally because of the environmental laws established in Kyoto. I think Bush was clueless from beginning to end by design.

so did this international

so did this international group also stand down Norad?

You want a smoking gun?...go listen to the freakin testimony of the US Sec. of Transportation as to what Cheney said that morning...

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/mineta_confirms_chen...

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

check out the

Port Authority (which the WTC was under their jurisdiction), the Clintons (she was a Senator of NY and his office was near, least we forget the UN building..

What I want are names and evidense to indict and imprison.

sharkhearted's picture

"International" Job by global elites?

Un huh...they are "global elites" no doubt...but ones with American citizenships like the neocons over there there at Project for a New American Century (of Perpetual War)...who called for IN WRITING...for a "new Pearl Harbor.

You are splitting hairs on semantics "international" and "inside". There may have been some people from other countries, (countries that I won't name names ISRAEL), but that in no way makes it an "international job."

An "international" could not order NORAD to stand down.

An "international" could not scramble American fighter jets out to the Atlantic, instead of towards the Pentagon.

An "international" would not have been able to lower the defenses of the most heavily guarded and protected building and airspace in the world.

An "international" could not get inside the twin towers and WTC7 to intricately plant thermite cutter charges so as to bring about complete destruction of the buildings and their contents into their own footprints.

An "international" could not possibly convince the Americans in the Bush Administration (including George Bush himself) to RESIST and OPPOSE an official investigation of the worst mass murder and crime scene on American soil...for astounding 411 days after 9-11.

An "international" could not conduct four increasingly fraudulent "investigations" (in this order) by first the American Society of Civil Engineers, FEMA, the 9-11 Commission, and finally NIST.

There had....HAD...to be inside help. To ignore that is to ignore the mountains of evidence pointing toward it.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

Your evidense does not indict anyone

it's too general, and comes across as blaming America.

I prefer Ron Paul's outlook because it aims to RESOLVE foreign policy issues.

Seems to me, AE had a great deal of control over Bush, as dis Israel, and I'm not blaming either.

The elite give and take, and frankly my dear don't give a damn about nations of the slaves,, but you know that.

sharkhearted's picture

Oh yes it does...it indicts DICK CHENEY

Testimony of a Security of Official in LAX:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2008071025531345

Bush was in FL...so the vice president, was in charge.

Testimony of then Transportation Secretary before the 9-11 commission:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

I don't think that is correct

I'm no Cheney fan, and I seriously doubt Cheney was or is involved in any way, except he happened to be VP and thus a scapegoat.

Norman Minota did not work for the Port Authority, which the WTC was under it's jurisdiction.. prot authority has control of ALL transportation and security between NY and NJ. But whose questioning them?

And Clinton was Senator.. who questioned her? Since she has benefitted the most....

Our role as awakened ones is to ask questions which might

help inspire our family, friends and neighbors to start asking their own questions.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

sharkhearted's picture

As an ex-neocon...

....back when I helped Bush get into office twice, I remember scoffing at someone in 2004 when they told me that 9-11 "may have had some inside help".

I now owe that person an apology, if I can ever find him.

It took me 11 years to wake up...better late than never, I guess.

Well, I appreciate your honesty and open-mindedness.

Watch these three documentaries, I would suggest, in this order:

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cfjYUHF8UE&feature=player_em...

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a58Zfu9kBb0

4. Purchase or check out David Ray Griffin's book: "A New Pearl Harbor, Revisited"

5. Watch every mini-documentary on the subject by Xendrius (they are all on his youtube channel by the same name)

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

“It is the first

“It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority"

- Benjamin Franklin

To your question...learn everything you can. Stick to the facts. Show them the hour+ long 'Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth ' PBS documentary. Teach them about operation Gladio...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

..the heart and soul of false flag operations world wide for decades.

Show them reports of the DHS buying over a billion rounds of hollow points. Since these types of bullets are against the Geneva convention, they can only be meant for use against Americans. What other use would there be...target practice?

Again...always stick to the facts...and always keep asking questions.

P.S. Tell them about the free membership at the Sons of Liberty Academy...

http://sonsoflibertyacademy.com/

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Well, I can tell you how NOT to do it

I went from person to person, trying to get them to watch "Zeitgeist" - the movie that put things together for me. No one wanted to hear it, they all reassured each other that I was nuts and the damage remains to this day.
I have managed to stop running people off, by waiting to see where their "disbelief" might lead.
For 9-11, I focus on 9-12. There is no arguing that the evidence of a major crime scene was destroyed before the investigation.
With Sandy Hook I am zeroing in on the things on the police scanner - who was apprehended on the west side of the school? In the woods? Who was in the police car? But I don't bring up anything until they pose some question. Any question, then I give them a harder question to ponder.
You are literally dealing with victims of mass mind control, if you dig into the history of TV and advertising, you will find I am not speaking in hyperbole. Something in them has to be looking for answers already, and then you have to treat that burgeoning curiosity with care.
It is a little lonely, you will find yourself smiling and nodding at things that make you want to scream, just to grab lunch at a local cafe. You really cannot demand Bush be arrested for treason in "small town Idaho" cafes. But at least you can demand Obama be tried for treason - you learn to agree where you can and bite your tongue when you will do more harm than good.
Thowwy, got to go. My tongue ith bweeding.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

No.7's picture

I think I'll stick to 9/11 and JFK

for a while. A teacher of mine taught us a lot about JFK on days we didn't have much work in high school. I've also seen a lot of evidence on 9/11 that I've tried so hard to not believe but I can't unlearn it. The cylinders on the bottom of the planes is what did it for me. Those don't go on commercial planes, and I can see them in the 9/11 videos. Seeing is believing.

I think the guy you're talking about at Sandy Hook was a Dad who wouldn't take no for an answer, but who knows? The only thing I've read about Sandy Hook that bothers me and still hasn't been explained is the car. We know for sure it's not Nancy Lanza's car and that scares me.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

OK.... Links?

I still have not seen proof that the car is Rodia's - did someone finally provide it? And understand this is part of being a truther, too. Even when you THINK you know, sometimes it turns out that you got hooked into "belief" again.
Next, it is not "that guy" it is 2 men on video running behind the school that the scanner indicates were apprehended, both of them. Then there are TWO guys running in the woods, and they only appear to apprehend one of them. There are at least 3, maybe 4 other men who were apprehended.
But you've got the start, learn the truth about a few topics really well, so you know how to answer any questions that may come up. My "rule of thumb" is to give anything a 5% chance of begin right, unless I KNOW it to be wrong. It does not harm me at all to read "crazy" theories, and more often than not, they lead me to at least a new understanding, if not a new truth.

Love or fear? Chose again with every breath.

No.7's picture

I heard that on the police scanner

The registration to Chris Rodia. That's all I've heard about the car, I haven't heard an explanation. The end of the video is distorted, but you can hear the call for the plate number and the response of Christopher H. Rodia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMpnG5AwoRc

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson