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Any truth to this ? Obama not a NBC

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Posted by cloudslikemountains on December 29, 2012

BREAKING NEWS – Hawaii state registrar Alvin Onaka has publicly certified to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that Barack Obama’s HI birth certificate is legally non-valid and the White House image is a forgery.(TOH).

As reported to AL HENDERSHOT, Editor of The Obama Hustle.

Hawaii state registrar Alvin Onaka has publicly certified to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that Barack Obama’s HI birth certificate is legally non-valid and the White House image is a forgery. He also confirmed to KS SOS Kris Kobach that the information contained in the White House image isNOT “identical to” that in the official record.

Many of you have replied to concerned constituents that the matter is settled by the public statements of Hawaii officials, the HDOH birth index list, the newspaper birth announcements, and Obama’s posted short-form and long-form birth certificates. Onaka’s disclosure – the only one made by a HI official under oath –negates all that and fits the vast legal and forensic evidence collected so far, some of which is in my affidavit (privately posted at for NE criminal case #B2-119.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his Cold Case Commander, Mike Zullo (both of whom initially disbelieved the skeptics) have both signed affidavits saying there is legal-quality FORENSIC evidence that Obama’s long-form birth certificate and draft registration are forged.

Onaka has now revealed the REASON for the forgery: to hide the non-validity of the birth record. Evidence in my affidavit proves (among other things) that the 1960-64 birth index includes non-valid records.
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Here's the deal ...

The guy who originally posted this information on his website was making an assumption, which was based on a letter that another guy sent to Republican congressmen, which itself was based on a letter sent by Larry Klayman to the Democratic National Committe lawyer, which in turn was based on a non-response by Alvin Onaka, as it relates to the Arizona Secretary of State's request of Mr. Onaka.

Whew!

So ...

Arizona Secretary of State wants to verify that Obama's birth certificate is valid. He sends a letter to Alvin Onaka, in charge of birth records in Hawaii.

Under Hawaiian statute, Onaka is required to either provide a certified copy of the BC or to verify each and every element of the information requested.

Onaka did neither, but sort of slipped out the side by not verifying but not denying, either. So, the report that Onaka verified the BC to be fake is not true.

Once Onaka sent his non-verification "verification" to Arizona SOS, various lawyers smelled a rat. Larry Klayman sent a letter to the DNC General Counsel alerting him that Obama's BC cannot be verified and, therefore, they cannot use it to validate Obama's eligibility.

Like all such things in this saga, the letter was probably ignored.

Anyway, this non-verification by Onaka appears to be viewed as a validation that the BC is not valid. Onaka didn't SAY this. But when a government official does not verify what he is legally required to verify, the presumtion then becomes that he did not verify it (in accordance with the law) because he CANNOT verify it. That is the assumption being made here. Only testimony under oath will get to the bottom of this.

And speaking of which ...

As a separate but related issue, Orly Taitz (lawyer for plaintiffs in Electoral College lawsuit) has the hearing on Thursday (1/3/2013) in California, and Onaka is supposed to appear, testify, AND provide documents. My guess is he will be a no show, and then the question becomes whether or not the judge actually has a pair.

Here is Larry Klayman's letter:
http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-...

Here is the original website that reported this story:
http://theobamahustle.wordpress.com/2012/12/29/breaking-news...

Look at the poster by the handle of "butterdezillion." Read his posts and go to his links to see he was the originator of this story.

Also of note, Orly Taitz has posted that the Daily Paul is paying attention to her lawsuit:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=372545

There has been so much corruption in all of this. The entire Congress knows it. Both the DNC and RNC know it. The judges all know it. The Supreme Court justices all know it. And yet, all that happens is stonewalling, lies, and silence in the media.

Some of the cases were thrown out without hearing any evidence due to judges saying things like "You just want to sue Obama because he's black," and one judge referencing the movie, "Miracle on 34th Street" to say Obama is in the white house, so he must be valid, just like Santa Claus. There has NEVER been a single shred of evidence presented by Obama in ANY court -- not one. Because not one judge has required it, and every judge (so far) has ignored all evidence presented by the other side.

THIS is the state of our judicial system. As corrupt as can be.

We'll see if this judge in California is made of a different character -- or not.

Absolutely correct

We are living in a state of denial with corrupt, ends justifies the means, bullies and cowards all around us. The birth record does not exist - so what, the Constitution is irrelevant - so what, voter fraud - so what? this is a state of anarchy.

I gotta say, I'm skeptical

I gotta say, I'm skeptical that anything will come of this, even if the evidence is solid. There's so much precedent of ignoring the Constitution that it is treated as nothing more than a silly ancient document that has no relevance to modern government. Obama supporters and congressional Democrats simply will not care. It's one of those cases of how first they call you a conspiracy theorist because you believe it, and then when it's proven true they call you a sore loser because you don't LIKE it. Sometimes Alex Jones is questionable, but he hits the nail on the head with this kind of thing.

Ok, as promised, I got

Ok, as promised, I got clarity on the Onaka story. Onaka refused to confirm that the info that Obama claims on his forged birth certificate is the same info showing in HI records. He will not verify the info as correct.

Blessings )o(

WTG Maeve

For what it's worth... you've always backed me up when I've posted stuff... and (I haven't gone thru your entire history) I haven't ever seen you post disinformation... so as far as I can see you're pretty credible... so obviously you're putting your credibility on the line here...

Is there any way you can give us more information? For example what exactly does Al mean by "certified?" Did he actually sign an affidavit or something? "Publicly certified" <<< This is pretty STRONG language.

Let's keep in mind folks... if this IS true it signals the "point of no return" for Obama... that could likely mean foreign troops and attempted gun confiscations (good f'in luck).

"There would be a gun behind every blade of grass."

The Hawaii birth record is the FOUNDATION of Obama's entire case which is supposed to discredit all the "birthers" this literally turns that foundation to DUST.

Would be nice...

if proven true

Here's a quick overview

There are several people who are joined in a lawsuit against the Electoral College, to stop Joe Biden (President of the Senate) from certifying the Electoral College vote.

In many of the previous lawsuits, the judges claimed that the parties did not have legal standing to sue, which is to say they were not injured even if Barry was not eligiable. That is LAUGHABLE on its face, but that is the story many judges used to dismiss cases without hearing any evidence.

THIS case is different. This case involves people who were running for office and may have been elected if not for Obama's fraud in claiming he is eligible. One of the plaintiffs was a Democrat who got 41% of the vote, but lost to Obama. He would have won if not for Barry's fraud.

The California Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case.

Here is the case:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/116618401/Grinols-et-al-v-Electora...

Now, the story about Alvin Onaka may or may not be true. So far, it seems to only be reported on one blog, with others referencing that blog. No evidence is presented, such as a copy of a signed document. Also, the term "non-valid" does not sound like a term that would be used. So, I'm suspicious of the article.

However, Onaka is the guy who would be called to testify or sign a sworn statement under penalty of perjury, because he is head of Hawaii's Department of Health. And Onaka HAS been served to testify in this hearing.

The article claims Onaka made his declaration to the Arizona Secretary of State, which is something else that doesn't necessarily make sense ... UNLESS AZ is still persuing their angle, too. I haven't read anything about that, but it was in the works a few months ago.

So, it's a clusterf**k of information. We'll have to see how things go.

But, there IS a scheduled hearing on 1/3/2013 for this case, and Onaka HAS been served to (a) appear in court, (b) testify, (c) produce a certified copy of Barry's long form Birth Certificate, and (d) the original microfilm.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=371246

Sooo ... *IF* Alvin knows he CANNOT produce such things ... AND he knows that he CANNOT count on corrupt judges to do the dirty work ... THEN ... it would make sense he would do this BEFORE the hearing.

So, it might be true.

The next few days could get REAL interesting.

Sounds like...

pieces of the puzzle are coming together.

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

If Obama's father is Obama

If Obama's father is Obama Sr., he is NOT a natural born citizen and ineligible for the presidency.

If his father is someone such as Frank Marshall Davis, he is a natural born citizen but has a father that swore allegiance to the Soviet Union and communism - in addition, he would be lying about his parents.

If this story were true ...

... then Orly Taitz would be shouting from the rooftops because it would prove she was right all along.

But, she's not.

I'll believe the story when I see real evidence, not just a blog post that is being copied by others.

Wait. And. See.

But she's not?

...and people upvoted your comment? lol can you say "vote fraud?"

Ogolfer's

one of the biggest frauds perpetrated on the American People. I hope this is true.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

There exists

plenty of evidence that Obama is ineligible... "He must be born of parents that are US citizens"! Note plurality. But more importantly, understand why that is!

The problem is that we have an inept congress that is allowing this and much more to go on! There is a Republican controlled House yet they are allowing Obama to undermine their jurisdiction!
Obama just gave them all a raise wit the stroke of a pen! In the face of the "Fiscal Cliff" crisis!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Pointless

It is pointless to try and oust Obama on technicalities, because the majority of voters believe they elected him, and most would not change their minds based on his citizenship. (The better man for the job is the better man, is what they're thinking--and they didn't like Romney.)

In other words, proving it's true won't change any minds. Far worse things have been done that were illegal (NDAA, etc.).

The only way that would work is if you got a recording of Obama conspiring with someone to fool the public. The public does not like being fooled. He'd have to come across as arrogant and dismissive of the voters.

The public does not like cover-ups because that implies the public can't be trusted with the facts.

I imagine we'll learn more when his daughters hit their rebellious teens.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

COMPLETELY DISAGREE ...

... if the average sheep hears that the "birthers" were right all along, it will WAKE UP a lot of people. They will start wondering why the media did not inform them. They will start to wonder why Congress did not do anything about it.

Sure, there will be spin like we've never seen before, but when confronted with TRUTH, some people will actually wake up.

Once we get to a tipping point where enough people are awake ... THEN THE WHOLE WORLD CHANGES.

absolutely correct

It takes one powerful revelation to break through psychotic denial. If the birthers are correct the whole world changes.

Completely Disagree, with your Complete Disagree

I have several friends (1 of which is an extremely intelligent Officer in the Army, scary enough) who have stated "what does it matter if he was born a citizen"? Or "I don't see the point of why all these 'birthers' are upset"?

As the OP stated "the better man for the job" trumps "the law" in most peoples' eyes. THAT is why our country is in shambles. Very few understand the principles of our gov't. And most believe mob-rule is what matters, vice established law.

The media is a circus, as I think most Americans can agree. Though most STILL take it as hard fact, while still bitching about it's bias/misreporting/chaos. So I doubt that the
question of "why didn't the Media report on this?" will rouse most people to action.

Sorry, but I believe that this country is too far along in mindless compliance to Authority. I believe that only a drastic measure/mis-step by our handlers would cause people to "wake up". And every day that passes, the "powers that be" numb the people to accept more and more oppression, so the chances of an mass awakening grow smaller every day.

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Do you really believe

that the average voter would ever believe this about Obama. Obama voters will never believe the birthers. Ever.

It only takes ENOUGH.

.

There is currently a lawsuit to stop the Electoral College ...

... from certifying Barry.

A Hawaiian judge -- *** SO FAR *** -- is allowing the case to go forward.

This news MIGHT be happening because Alvin Onaka knows this could get ugly.

On the other hand, I don't see any news sources that seem more legit than a wordpress blog.

So, the jury is out on whether or not this is a real story.

Orly Taitz has lost every case to get someone to do something about Barry's illegal tenure.

HOWEVER ...

She has not lost a SINGLE case on merit, facts, or actual law. Instead, EVERY SINGLE CASE has been dismissed due to the judges' lying about the evidence or the law.

In one case, Barry's OWN LAWYER ADMITTED that the long form BC presented online was not real (arguing that it, therefore, cannot be used as evidence in court).

AT NO TIME HAS BARRY'S LAWYERS *EVER* PRESENTED A SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT HIS CASE. INSTEAD, HE HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH CORRUPT JUDGES, DISMISSING CASES AND LYING ABOUT THE EVIDENCE AND THE LAW.

One judge actually quoted from the movie, "Miracle on 34th Street" in his reasoning to dismiss the case! Look it up.

Maybe -- *** MAYBE *** -- this judge will be different.

There is a hearing scheduled for January 3, 2013.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/

The subject of THIS thread is different but related, and based on the State of Arizona demanding information from the State of Hawaii to verify eligibility.

We shall see if (a) this is a real story and (b) what, if anything, happens in the Hawaii hearing on Thursday.

Hmm ...

I just noticed that Clarence Thomas' wife is part of an organization that is closely following this case.

Holy sh*t, batman!!!

Clarence Thomas is the most true to the Constitution of any of the Supreme Court justices.

That tells you that the Supremes KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.

If any of these cases can ever make it to the Supreme Court ... THEN it will get ... INTERESTING.

The issue is going before the

The issue is going before the Supreme Court on Jan 4th with a case brought by Cody Robert Judy. Conveniently, Congress changed the date to certify the electoral vote to Jan. 4th, hoping I"m sure, that they can say too bad so sad, done deal.

Blessings )o(

Noticed where?

Links? References?

Just goes to show the extent of the Rothschild central bank

crime family fraud. In your face America the bank criminals will install anyone who they wish. A black with a dirty birth record no problem. Shove it down the American people's throat, hell with elections, hell with constitution they own the media and thats all they need to have to prepetuate lies to the public.

Where is the Judiciary? Oh they sold out as well. CFR supreme court justices, justices appointed by ineligible liar installed potus puppets.

Look at the Bush crime family, the grandfater is identified as a traitor who was financing the germans against this nation yet he gets a slap on the hand so his son can go on to destroy one of the best hopes JFK. Then the grand son killes millions with lies about Iraq and the 911 plot.

Im about tired of these in your face liars, cheaters, theives, and mass murders calling themselves government and me citizen.

sovereign

BO was never a NBC IF, as he claims,

his father is/was Barack Obama Sr. But if his father is Frank Marshall Davis... well then, forged CLB or not, if BO can prove his father to be Davis then he can be certified on Jan 8.
And that's what needs to be disclosed. Time for some DNA testing to be done on that usurper.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

and his perfectly valid reason for not mentioning this publicly

until after the election is? True or not, this info will change nothing. Would have come in handy maybe during the last...oh 3 years that B.O. has been campaigning. We're buckled in and the course has been set.

Sorry to rain on the parade...

but I respectfully have to respond, SO WHAT?! As much as we all may dislike Obama & his policies, the status quo supports it. Do you really think someone new (besides Ron Paul) would do things in any significantly different way?

Re: Sorry to rain on the parade...

Sadly, you're right. You might have a very few who will recognize the evidence, but even if the evidence is solid, it means nothing to the masses until mainstream media validates it (don't hold your breath). WTC 7 crumbled symetrically straight down at freefall speed. Doesn't matter, to the great majority it never happened because mainstream media did not validate it.

* “The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.”
* “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”
* “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”
* "What luck for rulers that men do not think.”
* “It is not truth that matters, but victory.”
* “The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.”

-Adolf Hitler

There is a reason why this man gained so much power over the masses.

Sorry to pee on your post

But we must draw the line somewhere!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!