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If you don't like and respect our Republic, The Constitution

Then move out. There are plenty of other places on this globe that you can move to where there is communism, dictators, oppression. I am sure that they will welcome you.

You see, our nation was built by free thinkers, innovation and hard work. We didn't ask permission or need others holding our hand to be productive and to build great things, and to make our country the greatest, freest nation the world has ever seen.

So, if you don't like freedom, Liberty, the Constitution [Law of the Land], then MOVE OUT and leave me and my country alone.




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Hannity?

Sean Hannity? Is that you?

The bestest and most freest country god ever gave man on the face the the earth"
~Hannity

Can I opt out? I just so happened to plop out of my mama's womb between the Mexican and Canadian borders. This is my home too. But I would like to remain independent from your system.
Thanks.

Listen to Tom

Listen to Tom Woods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTqEePlZiqk

'Nuff said.

My first thought

How many times have you heard...

"If you don't like our government and paying taxes, then leave"

I wonder how that went down with others like me?

Oops!

Double post (edited)

He's not forcing, merely stating, that if someone doesn't

respect the rights of another to self-determination, as woods lays out BTW, that they have no business here. As a matter of fact, we punish those who trample on the rights of others.

So even if this is free speech, the conclusion to their free speech, 9 times out of 10, is to try and take away, another persons rights..

Which is illegal and immoral.

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That's right

If people don't like our Constutution they should leave.

Criminally led army

So the love it or leave it criminal fraud is back in force here too?

What in the world are they thinking?

Joe

I suggest China

They have really good gun control.

Patrick Henry AGAINST the Constitution: Loss of Liberty

This being said, I trust no one to rewrite the document...and trust no one wanting to do away with the document. However, there seems that the man who said, "Give me Liberty or give me death" was opposed to moving to a consolidated goverment.

"The rights of conscience, trial by jury, liberty of the press, all your immunities and franchises, all pretensions to human rights and privileges, are rendered insecure, if not lost, by this change, so loudly talked of by some, and inconsiderately by others. Is this tame relinquishment of rights worthy of freemen? Is it worthy of that manly fortitude that ought to characterize republicans?"

"It is said eight states have adopted this plan. I declare that if twelve states and a half had adopted it, I would, with manly firmness, and in spite of an erring world, reject it. You are not to inquire how your trade may be increased, nor how you are to become a great and powerful people, but how your liberties can be secured; for liberty ought to be the direct end of your government."

http://www.wfu.edu/~zulick/340/henry.html

Read it and weep...ask yourself why you have never before read this document.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Other-Founders-Anti-Federalism-Dis... Page 229:
"made like A Fiddle, with but few Strings,"
"play any tune upon it they pleased."

In Context:
"Regarding the Constitutional Convention, he [William Manning] echoed a common Anti-Federalist complaint: the framers deliberately employed ambiguous language to facilitate their aristocratic designs. He confidently asserted, "The Convention who made it intended to destroy our free government by, or they never would have spent 4 Months in making such an inexplicit thing." The Constitution was a "made like A Fiddle, with but few Strings," so that those in power might "play any tune upon it they pleased." The ambiguity of the Constitution was a deliberate product of Federalist aristocratic machinations-confirmed by the practices of Federalists since ratification. Under the guise of constructive interpretations, Federalists were seeking to extend the powers of their federal government and trample on the people's liberties."
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It seems to me that not even the Bill of Rights attached to the Constitution at the end of 1791 have been able to protect us from the rape and pillage of a centralized criminal power structure. Those criminals don’t even know what the meaning of “is” is. I don’t even think they know what SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED means…or perhaps it is the definition of the word “arms” that is subject to infringement…speaking of that few stringed fiddle…

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Agreed.

If we in the liberty movement don't act now, someone else will. How can you amend the Constitution when the vote is rigged and the money is counterfeited?

The Titanic is sinking. Do we try to keep it afloat or get in a lifeboat?

Is the national debt our responsibility?

They know what they're doing and they know the meaning

of "is".. They busy themselves with blurring the lines. They subjectivity everything. Well some things ARE black and white.

Hiya, Big Girl!

"I trust no one to rewrite the document...and trust no one wanting to do away with the document."

True dat!

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I was going to wait until 2013 to say Happy New Year Big Boy,

but since you are giving me the Big Girl, I am going to return the Big Boy :)

Yes, you are exactly right. They know exactly what words mean, and they know exactly what they are doing. It seems to me they have been doing what they are doing since 1788 when the constitution was ratified and they stole the people's liberty. ProudAmericanFirst says it is up to each individual to protect themselves...Big Boy, I am probably sounding like a Little Girl, but I don't see how outside of a miracle. The criminals haven't been held accountable for anything it seems to me.

They kill murder, maim, and pillage and as long as the American public can go to McDonalds and get their Big Mac and turn on the Tube, not many seem to know what is going on and if they do they don’t seem to give a rip. Me included. I go about my daily life. What am I doing to fix anything. Making a few phone calls, writing a few letters, talking and blogging. Big deal I don’t have any money to send the criminals with those phone calls and checks, so why should they listen to me? Did you hear Ron Paul’s Texas Straight talk for this week?

Man that sure was a depressing rant. Sorry. I’ll try to get my Big Girl act back together :)

Thanks rp4pres.

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Happy New Year (((Big Girl)))

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Thank you (((Big Boy))) !!!

for all gifts of truth in 2012. It has been fun talking to you this year!

Thank you for your help during the presidential election. I do not regret my write-in vote for Ron Paul. Thank you for helping me understand. A light went on when you helped me understand that those who voted for NDAA were treasonous. If you hadn't taken that time to exchange back and forth with me, I may not understand that today.

Oh and the beautiful words in the Declaration of Independece are for EVERYONE! That is another gift of truth that I had not understood. Thank you!

May 2013 be a good year for you, for your business, and for Liberty!

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Thank you BG.

You did the hard part.. you worked it out for yourself. I just threw the occasional idea to you. You would have come to it on your own. I know this because you seem to have a veracious appetite for learning.

May God bless you and your family this coming year, in all of your endeavors.

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(((bear)))

[ (((Granger))) taught me this neat new trick :-) ]

You are right, but it is important to remember and to re-educate:

"not even the Bill of Rights attached to the Constitution at the end of 1791 have been able to protect us"

Only you and I can protect ourselves. The Bill of Rights is merely an outline on paper to what our natural or God-given rights are. Nobody can be held accountable unless WE hold them accountable, as was designed.

It is I, you, who are now taking a stand!

And you are also correct, I trust NOONE to rewrite it today - not with these morons in office. A ConCon would be SUICIDE.

2014 Liberty Candidate Thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/287246/2014-liberty-candidate-thread

2016 Potential Presidential Candidates: http://alturl.com/mt7tq

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

It seems to me that we have not been able to protect ourselves..

...from the beginning. I honestly do not see any way to protect oneself. It seems to me the stage has been set and without a miracle there will be no Liberty. It seems to me if you read Patrick Henry’s words that the problem is that a contract was made with the people instead of with the states. I am sorry to be a pessimist, but the criminals do what they want to, when they want to and we don’t seem to be able to do anything about it. We don’t even know if the current president is actually a natural born citizen as a pure and clear fact. It seems to me that if one cannot even establish whether the president is legal, how can one do anything? We are no longer safe and secure in our effects and our person. They don’t even need a warrant to search as set forth in the Bill of Rights. IMO The criminals are going to keep killing school kids and innocents until they get their gun ban. You tell me how we can protect ourselves and I will listen.

It's not that we haven't been able to take care of ourselves

bear, it's that we haven't chosen to do so, but that's what we're doing now.

Before, I complained, but I did little about it. I saw what was happening from an early age but I told myself that I was alone and I could not win anything by myself. I won't go into the things I did to ready myself for my own little war.

In some ways, I'm glad I didn't do anything. Now Liberty may be able to be restored through peace. I wouldn't have said that a year ago.

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I just read

http://www.dailypaul.com/268088/gun-confiscation-act-of-war?... and it is not sounding very peaceful.

But now I am smiling. I just looked out the window and there are 6 little boys rolling snowballs for a snowman, 2 of them are mine. Now I am laughing...some of the snowballs are more than half as big as they are! They are having trouble even rolling them.

The Big Man of the House is out there helping. Mom is staying warm. Sober again. I have men. I do hope liberty is peaceful.

For now it is. Life is good. Now they cant even lift the snowballs on top of each other to make their snowman. The snow is wet and heavy. Smiling. They'll figure it out!

Peace :)

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Well, if they try to take guns, it's probably on like donkey

kong. :)

All we can do is hope and pray that the gun-grabbers are smart enough not to go through with it.

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They boys couldn't make

They boys couldn't make snowment so they made fort walls instead and are having a snowball fight. See, I told you they would figure it out.

Yes, I hope so as well. In the UK it was done incrementally. One fire arm type at a time. I don't know if they came and got them or not. IMO the NRA is in on it as leading the opposition in the guise of being for the 2nd amendment. Is that too extreme?

We have friends that we saw over Christmas, they are "conservatives." We had a little educating to do as far as the 2nd amendment goes. The guy goes to China on business and didn't even know about the millions killed by Mao. He felt China was safer because the people did not have guns...the guy hunts…his son hunts…he has been to college…he didn’t even understand what was going on…I don’t know if he does now.

His brother is messed up from being in the armed forces in the middle east. He chimed in. He agrees with the NRA that armed guards should be posted in schools…so he can have a job. I explained that I thought people need to pack and protect themselves, not to depend on someone else to do it for them.

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Nope, not extreme at all.

Right on all accounts. (The NRA has been flooded with socialist-lites too.) GOA has taken their place but who knows how long that will last.

Someone else on here said the same thing about Thailand too as if because they are having a good time in that location, they somehow know the whole country and it's political positions..

Hell if I stuck my head in the sand, I could pretend that because I run a business, that the free market is in full force.

Wouldn't be true though.

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I love ya Frank, but...

...is that really a liberty-loving mindset?

You claim to love liberty.

You want people to own their justly acquired property.

You say that we have natural rights and they should be respected.

Why should I leave everything I love?

I had no choice of governmental structure, I was born in this area.

You said I could choose from communism, the dictators, and oppression of other nations states.

But why leave this geographical area to experience all those things?

We have all those things right here! (except communism, which doesn't really exist anywhere in the world because it is a wholly unworkable and impossible economic system)

I like the Bill of Rights.

And as you know, the Articles of the Confederation actually granted more freedom than the U.S. Constitution.

And as you should also well know, Article 5 sets up the basis for
democracy and majority rule.

Majority rule is the opposite of liberty.

This means, Constitution = Mob Rule document.

I know a lot of people worship the Constitution like it is a page straight out of the Bible, but it is a man-made document that has SERIOUS flaws.

How serious are these flaws?

Look at the state that has grown up around this document.

Ask yourself, did the U.S. Constitution result in more or less freedom for mankind?

Or more or less death, destruction, and debt?

I don't know if you would agree with this, but is it possible that we could have a better, more peaceful structure for society that embraces individual liberty?

Individual Liberty?

Is it possible with the Constitution?

Is it possible to have something better than the Constitution?

Listen to Dr. Paul himself.

http://mises.org/daily/6331/The-Utopian-Myth-of-the-Good-State

If you are SERIOUS about creating a society based upon Liberty, you will read the words of Dr. Paul.

Are you dedicated to this?

Are you really committed to a free society?

If you love liberty, like I think that you do, you'll pursue all that you can learn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWESql2dXoc

Now listen to the above, it was written by Lysander Spooner, a critic of the Constitution at the time it was written.

Please let me know your thoughts and I'll be in touch.

Yes, the mob that wants to stay out of your life and

leave you alone.. The mob who wants you to prosper by the sweat of your brow and keep what you earn..

The mob that believes in limited government and fighting tyranny.

A mob that is right.

I have no problem with people who want to practice communism/socialism on a personal level and they have the right to do that but when they try to force me.. they are the oppressors and I am defending. I can see how a socialist would be upset and think that I am the mob, yet I'm not the one who's doing the oppressing, I'm trying to liberate.. myself and others.

There is only one right here, and we are it.

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I admire your desire to

I admire your desire to promote what is right.

We agree that one should prosper by the sweat of his brow.

You and I are also in agreement when you state that we should keep what we earn.

Your use of the word mob, however, is disturbing.

Mob
noun.
1. A large disorderly crowd or throng. See Synonyms at crowd.
2. The mass of common people; the populace.

The word mob is associated with violent crowds, or the ignorant masses.

Using the word "mob" to describe like minded people is not just stretching the term, but is incorrect.

Would we describe the Mises Institute, or the Free State Project, as mobs?

I don't know if you would agree, but English grammar does not.

A mob that is right.

That phrase sent chills down my spine.

First, we will never have the majority.

Second, majorities, as you know, do not determine history anyway.

Brave individuals do.

It is disconcerting that you are in essence saying; "Democracy sucks, we have a republic... a republic that embraces majority rule, the very backbone of democracy."

Contradiction much?

Taxation is theft?
...Except if constitutionally voted upon by men I've never met and have no actual control over.

Contradictions anyone?

Taxation is as evil as wife-beating or ganging up on a black person and hanging them from a high tree.

I will have no part in anything resembling a mob.

Majority rule by force is immoral, period.

Do you agree?

I only used the term because you used it.

However, yes a mob, that forces you to be free ain't such a bad thing.

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...yes a mob, that forces you

...yes a mob, that forces you to be free ain't such a bad thing.

I am confused.

How can you force someone to be free?

Do you threaten them until they act of their own free will?

Or do you actually beat them into being free?

Forcing someone to be free is impossible because it is a contradiction in terms.

To be free is to make choices.

So if you force someone to make their own choices... well, can you see the contradiction in that?

Bingo

You're a little bit thick in the forehead region. :)

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When someone results to

When someone results to insults, it is a very good indicator that they do not have a solid argument that can be defended upon any sort of principle.

Could you please respond to my questions here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2884468

And please, no insults, it just makes you look silly.

I look forward to your answer to the above link concerning this debate we're having.

Will you respond?

Actually it's also a possible note to the person

that they are indeed being thickheaded. It wasn't an insult, but an observation. I answered your question so yes I will respond.

Look dude, I know where this is going.. I've answered every question and pointed out my reasoning, you seem to ignore those things in search of the next things you can say.

You seem to live solely in your head, caught up with the chase in the debate.. I say this because you have zeroed in on specific words but missed the context in which they were used.

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