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ISP Walks Out of Piracy Talks: “We’re Not The Internet Police”

A leading Australian Internet service provider has pulled out of negotiations to create a warning notice scheme aimed at reducing online piracy. iiNet, the ISP that was sued by Hollywood after refusing to help chase down alleged infringers, said that it can’t make any progress with righthsolders if they don’t make their content freely available at a reasonable price. The ISP adds that holding extra data on customers’ habits is inappropriate and not their responsibility.

In many countries around the world the entertainment industries are attempting to engage Internet service providers in their battle against online piracy.

The music and movie industries have persuaded some to begin sending warning notifications to subscribers which advise them that their infringing activities have been monitored. In addition to a few less high-profile projects, large scale schemes are underway in France, New Zealand and a similar operation is about to launch in the United States.

In other countries negotiations have been less fruitful. Australia became a notable failure after discussions on infringement developed into parallel legal action against an ISP. The Hollywood-affiliated video industry there thought it could convince a court to hold the ISP iiNet responsible for the activities of alleged infringers. It couldn’t.

Despite the legal action, negotiations between rightsholders and ISPs, pushed along by the Attorney General’s Department, have continued in the hope that an agreement can still be reached. But for iiNet, it’s the end of the road.


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"In many countries around the

"In many countries around the world the entertainment industries are attempting to engage Internet service providers in their battle against online piracy."

A more accurate translation:

In many countries around the world the rent-seeking entertainment industries are attempting to shift the cost of enforcing their government-granted monopolies onto others in a futile attempt to maintain undeserved control over the distribution of information.

US, the Internet bully

The US is bullying other sovereign nations into the role of the enforcer of US laws and regulations which are questionable in the first place.

Kim Dotcom Raid Video in NZ. Ridiculous. This guy isn't a heavily armed Drug Lord or Somali Pirate.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMas0tWc0sg

Interview with Kim Dotcom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF48PjCtW4k

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

That this is about the entertainment industry is a red herring.

None of this came up when we were making tapes back in high school or CDs in college. It was rampant, and they knew it. Nothing was said. They still sold albums and movies. No one complained.
This is about controlling internet content and the spread of information. This is about the government not allowing us to distribute content that sheds light on THEM.
If we lose a free and open internet, we're all in a whole lot of trouble.

Yes and No

I worked for 20 years in one of the legal departments of one of the major movie studios (we acquired rights; other legal departments dealt with defending them).

You're right, they didn't spend time or money going after the small fry, because it didn't make sense, although, legally, they probably had to make the occasional attempt because it is required in order to prevent the loss of all their rights in the material. If you know someone is infringing, you have to try and stop them or your rights are forfeit.

They pay a lot of money to buy rights from writers, publishers, actors, and musicians, etc. The problem, now, is digital piracy is too easy, and people steal these properties because they don't see it as stealing.

This is why there are many fewer movies out, fewer "risky" or innovative movies, and fewer new bands signed, etc. This is why we have nothing but reality shows on TV. All the money their hits used to make was channeled into other projects, but now, they only have a few days before the pirates have stolen everything.

Someday, maybe the movie studios will be gone, and everything will be made in your backyard, and other people will repost your stuff and make money from it, but in the meantime, there's no doubt that the studios are genuinely desperate to stop the bleeding.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

In 5 months, Psy made over

In 5 months, Psy made over 8.1 million dollars in video views via YouTube. His video views included all the covers and parodies made by other Youtubers. Conversely, he only made $60,000 via online sales.

Don't you think new business models need to be developed within the music industry?

"With enough of us, around the world, we’ll not just send a strong message opposing the privatization of knowledge — we’ll make it a thing of the past." ~ Aaron Swartz

"The world's biggest

"The world's biggest recording companies have been stripped of two billion YouTube hits after the website cracked down on alleged 'fake' and 'dead' views."

Major record labels stripped of more than two billion video views. Biggest hit taken by Universal, which alone lost more than one billion. 'This was an enforcement of our viewcount policy,' says YouTube.

The music industry accuses the public of being cheaters?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2254181/YouTu...

"With enough of us, around the world, we’ll not just send a strong message opposing the privatization of knowledge — we’ll make it a thing of the past." ~ Aaron Swartz

That reminded me mnayden

When I was in high school in the early 80's, we would "check out" LP Albums from the Orlando Public Library and then take them home and create cassette tapes from them to play in our cars and sony walkmans.

Dating myself with this comment. lol

I know. I graduated HS in 84.

We'd get together at friends' houses and everyone would bring an album. With a tape-to-tape recorder we'd all leave with more than we came with. Ooops, I wonder what the statute of limitations is on that!
Aaah, the walkman. My kids cringe when I call the ipod a walkman (I do it intentionally, for that purpose).
I still have one, along with my old tapes and albums.

Those whom possess a printing

Those whom possess a printing press make and shape the rules. What the current digital age has done is proliferate the printing press at little cost of monetary capital which now brings unease to those e.g. large media and corporate conglomerates who have controlled one of the greatest powers known to man “perception” for centuries.

The free flowing distribution of knowledge and information is great when YOU can narrate and shape that said information but as soon as the homeless gentleman's voice you see down the street always begging for change is as equal or has the potential to be more powerful than a wealthy aristocrat's well then we need to pass legislation for the safety of the public to discourage certain types of disinformation in the eyes of the those in POWER who are likely in possession of printing presses themselves.


An Australian company standing up for a right Americans hold dear, while their government steps on another of our most prized rights.

Just open the box and see