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Gun Confiscation = Act of War

Any person that comes to your house to get your guns should be met with deadly force. Shoot to kill.

Further, I would not recommend participating in any attempts by the government to make more exhaustive lists of gun ownership.

Laws are only effective when people mind them. Don't be complicit. Stand up against any measures that violate rights outlined in the Constitution.

The right to bear arms is a sacrosanct right of any free people. In addition, we have the right to stand against illegal searches and seizures. Gun confiscation not only violates the 2nd Amendment but also the 4th.

In the event that gun confiscation begins I suggest having enough food in store to last at least a couple of months (rice, beans, etc). Train members of your household how to conduct an effective fire watch detail and implement standard procedures to combat unlawful intrusions on your property. As well, it wouldn't be a bad idea to invest in a home security system that cannot be remotely controlled from outside of your residence. Instead invest in loud buzzers that activate upon opening of windows or doors that work off of batteries.

Be vigilant. It is a shame and shows a great failure of leadership that we should even have to discuss these things.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

~Thomas Jefferson

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

~2nd Amendment to the Constitution

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

~4th Amendment to the Constitution

If they want our guns, make them murder us in cold blood. We are peaceful citizens, but we have the right to self defense against a tyrannical government.

And to those agents of the central government that may come with intent to disarm the populace, please consider what your reaction would/will be when they come to disarm you. It is your duty to uphold the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Don't let them shit on our rights. Make a stand. Where will you draw the line?




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they won't come to your door, they grandfather guns out of...

circulation.

BTW: We can't declare war. That's romantic, but shooting at police and such is just breaking the law.

There are "profits" in manufacturing guns -- You guys are aware

of this.

I heard that in December of 2012 there were more gun purchases then in the previous 11 months and the previous 11 months (without december) was a record year.

Can anyone confirm that?

Suckers man.

Don't buy gold buy common steel?

You can't buy corporatist goods to get a result other than corporatism, hahahahaha.

Learn to make explosives and simpler projectile weaponry -- when the SHTF that's what will exist in the long-run.

New Orleans

They committed an act of war there then but nobody did anything about it except complain.

skippy

New Orleans

Think for a minute what the intellectual capacity of someone might be who pitched their tent in the middle of a set of train tracks and then complained when a train ran over the tent. That is about the same intellectual capacity of someone who would choose to live in the hurricane belt and then complain when a hurricane come by and destroys their community.

The point I'm making is that folks in New Orleans are not the brightest people in the world, for if they were, they would not be living in New Orleans. So who cares want a bunch of imbeciles did or didn't do?

Article 1, Section 8 (Borrow Money)

As long as we are dependent on a central bank none of our rights are secure including the right to bear arms.

There is a reason why Ron Paul didn't make the 2nd Amendment his highest priority.

"There is a reason why Ron Paul..."

"There is a reason why Ron Paul didn't make the 2nd Amendment his highest priority."

Everybody may or may not understand central banking, how enormous of a problem it is, that it is not Constitutional. Gun-toting Americans understand the basic natural right of bearing arms and would defend it by default (though this can be questioned).

Without 2nd Amendment, it will be extremely difficult to defend the rest of our rights, let alone end the fed.

But your statement is right on.

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Gandhi's gun quote is fitting:

"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038484_Gandhi_quote_Facebook_cens...

I saw the best minds of my generation, destroyed by pandas starving hysterical naked

-Allen Ginsberg

Call your local sheriff.

Ask him if he will be supporting any kind of gun ban or gun grab. Most of these people don't even watch the news. They probably have no idea what's going on.

If he says "absolutely not" then volunteer for the posse. THINK folks if your "organization" does not have "legitimacy" then public opinion can be built up against you.

The Sheriff's posse is still recognized as a "lawful" body and I wish more people at the DP would start calling up their local sheriffs... regardless of their political leanings... and volunteer for the posse. At least demonstrating that you care about the public you can sway them from the push-button indoctrination of treasonous organizations like the SPLC.

If you look at any situation where someone has shot a cop - there was a wave of public indoctrination against that "group" - research Jerry Kane and his idiotic views about "pushing him around" - he basically screwed the entire sovereign movement by not just handling the issue in court.

They WANT you to start CHEST THUMPING and are BANKING on a CIVIL WAR. Time is on OUR side... not theirs...

Also.. another thing on that. It wasn't him that started it... but because he had filled his kid's head with a bunch of stuff about all these public servants being the bad guys - the kid got out of the van and opened fire... at that point what do you do if you're dad? I guess you're all in since it was your fault he shot anyone in the first place.

Now SPLC pushes this "sovereign citizen" crap which is a contradiction in terms. A citizen is a subject... a sovereign is a king. How can you be a "King-Subject?"

Absolutely get the Sheriff on

Absolutely get the Sheriff on side. Do things by the rule of law as much as you can.

WND had this article the other day:

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/sheriffs-called-out-to-fight-the-...

Calm Down People -- THEY will NOT come for your GUNS

Just look at the latest sales reports for December for the AR-15 alone, hahahahaha.

They want you to trade your FRNs (not for Gold), not for bitcoins, rather, guns/ammo.

There are 300M guns in America -- probably 301 or 302M as of December, hahahaha.

Here's what you do IF (they wont) IF they come for your guns:

Note -- They will not go to every home at the same time; they will need you to be home when they come -- so they will announce when your neighborhood is up.

Step 1 -- Take your favorite guns and 95% of your ammo to cousin Elroy's.

Step 2 -- Keep a few "junk guns" around the house, one's you wont mind "letting go" and a few boxes of ammo.

Step 3 -- Give them "junk guns" and ammo with a smile and a thank you

Step 4 -- Retrieve guns the following day from cousin Elroy.

Step 5 -- Do the same for cousin Elroy when they come for his guns

PROBLEM SOLVED

No need to shoot anyone -- that was just ridiculous.

Alternative:

Step 1 -- Take knife, staff, and machete training

Step 2 -- Carry knife, walk with staff, holster the machete (legal to do so as long as it's visible)

Step 3 -- Feel like a bad ass (cuz you are)

lol

lol

What they'll do is say

What they'll do is say semi-autos are outlawed, and 90% of law abiding people will turn them in thinking they still have their pistol/shotgun. Then they'll make shotguns illegal, and again 90% will turn them in. Then the same with high caliber pistols, then all firearms. By the time people realize this will not stop, 90% of the guns are gone! Now they only have to go to a few houses. After a few televised slaughters more holdouts turn in their guns. Through snitches and rewards, neighbor will turn in neighbor and they will come to houses unannounced and take your life or your guns. By this time, only the criminals could fight back, and they will likely be bought off.

Before the midterm defeat Obama didnt play up Hot button issues

Do you remember back in 2010 both sides of hot button issues were thinking more and more they were part of the 99%.

Then Sanatorun pretended to be running for President discombobulating Occupy Wall Street Solidarity. Also Obama started playing on Hot Button issues like the ruling class wanted. But he won so big that the conservative side of the hot button divide was too discouraged to fight much any more. So along came gun control to invigorate the right side of the hot button divide.

None of the useful for the 1 10th of 1% hot button issues are going to lose we are all just being made into puppets dangling on a string.

http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/78-78/15338-the-re...

In Philly PA RichardKanePA

Well, two different Oath

Well, two different Oath Keepers with inside sources, in two different states, that I trust have said that police are training to confiscate guns. So, I'd say that yeah, they are going to come for our guns.

Blessings )o(

That's not confirmation that's "rumor"

All of this is to boost gun sales.

Guns are not like drugs -- it would be pretty easy to control their distribution -- if "they" wanted too.

Maybe, instead, they've looked at the wild-arse fluctuations in gun sales every time they mention legislation -- just mentioning it by-the-by.

Regardless -- Apply the above formula because when they come there are three things that must happen: They must notify (they need you home), They can't confiscate all guns at once (IMPOSSIBLE), and They will not have "accurate" records.

It took me less than 5mins to come up with that -- imagine how creative people will get.

We just can't be telling people to shoot cops or anyone because legislation tells them to confiscate -- people will be killed and go to prison for-life.

Gov't is inept, just "fool them" like I suggest.

A different perspective from someone who lived it.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” - Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn

We live in a different age #1 -- Those people were not armed

like we are #2

No "real" or "serious" piece of legislation has stopped people from trading FRNs for guns #3

There are nearly as many guns as there are people #4

The cost to take guns away would be billions of dollars #5

Refer back to #3 for the next few #6, #7, #8....so on

If this passes we must ACT: now or never.

"They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?"

-Patrick Henry, March 23rd 1775

"Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books...Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: 'I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't. I can. And my children will."

-Jimmy Stewart

The way they will accomplish this feat

will be to divide and ostracize. Already they have limitations upon certain classes of individuals (ie felons) to keep them from possession of fire arms. There is now a concentrated effort afoot to label any Veteran who seeks treatment for certain disorders to surrender their Second Amendment rights for life once they seek treatment. Wait until the list of maladies under these restrictions is expanded. The felon requirement will be quickly changed to serious misdemeanors and soon after all misdemeanors, including traffic infractions will be cause for them to say you have no respect for the law therefore you can't be trusted with a fire arm. The recent news article identifying all legal fire arm owners in sections of N.Y. state validates my claim that they will attempt to identify us much as they do pedophiles and treat us in the same manner. I'm surprised they haven't already declared a 1500 foot fire arm free radius area in homes around schools.

If not us than who?

It would take more than

It would take more than individual hold outs. It would take a group of several hundred armed gun owners showing up together at the first house where confiscation was attempted. If gun owners were smart, they would form groups that could be notified and arrive on scene in large groups to tell the authorities to get lost, kind of like when the Indians in large groups appeared over the ridge in Westerns. Anything less and it will be like another Waco incident.

Ever heard of the Committees of Correspondence?

These were the guys that organized as a prelude to the Revolution and largely responsible for the creation of the Minuteman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_correspondence

It will take exactly the same measures to protect us. This would also assure a Lexington-Concord type event instead of secret seizures in the night:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Lexington_and_Concord

"Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books...Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: 'I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't. I can. And my children will."

-Jimmy Stewart

Awake yet?

It takes what it takes for someone to wake up. For some it was the patriot act, for others the bailouts. Maybe the coming gun control laws will wake a few more people up.

I am 100% against any law curtailing gun rights, however it is silly to me how some people seem to be freaking out about gun control laws but have been indifferent to property control laws or repeal of privacy laws or any other breaches of liberty. If we are not a free people in the first place, then what the hell does it matter if civilians have firearms or not?

The founders would be ashamed at us for what we are putting up with.

Remember, people only respond

Remember, people only respond to things they know. I guarantee you, ask 90% of people about specific laws that have been passed that are harmful to liberty and the Constitution and you will be met with blank stares. People may know that something isn't right on an instinctual level, but they wouldn't be able to spell it out.

Remember La. and Katria?

Government thugs - "Give us your Firearms,All of them!"

Populace - "Ok".

There may be a skirmish or three, but no sustained fight for freedom,and the Gov. Knows it.

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Committees of Defiance

The founders formed into committees and ultimately a continental congress. The discussed and wrote petitions to the British government to address their grievances. Instead of being placated, the British government declared them all outlaws (terrorists) and ordered the 'traitors' arrested.

When your own government declares you an outlaw or otherwise places you outside its protection... a state of war exists. Whether you like it or not. Whether that is the outcome you hoped for or not, it is the scenario.

The founders didn't want a war. They reacted. And reacted. The only proper reaction when agents come knocking at your door to disarm and/or arrest you is to understand you are now at war and act accordingly. They did. Their final 'petition' was the Declaration of Independence.

During a state of war, totally different 'rules' apply and behavior is different than it would be during times of peace. The social state of war and a clue about these 'rules' are taken from the pages of history in the forms of maxims.

"They fight individually and are collectively conquered"

That is one of my favorite maxims and it applies very much to the situation today. The founders had organized militia regiments. Even with those, the British regular army kicked their butts constantly. We don't have *any* organization at all. What can one person with a shotgun do? Become a lone wolf? How does that help anybody, including the lone wolf? Guns are no use in war unless they can be used collectively. Patriots will either start training together, or they will surrender and give up their arms. This has nothing to do with weapons and everything to do with people standing shoulder to shoulder against tyranny.

This one person did quite a

This one person did quite a bit...

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/featured/white-death-si...

Imagine if you have 100 of this guy scattered around a small town.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Thank You For the Commonsense Post

We must stand together with a plan for defiance against the elitists. We cannot operate as individuals for we will surely fail in our endeavor for freedom and liberty.

Many of our fellow DailyPaulers believe it is best to confront the federals head on when they're at our doorstep demanding surrender of our firearms. There have been calls of cowardice and claims of running away when presented with unconstitutional writs from despotic authority.

It is not ignoble in our quest for freedom to be wary of unchecked emotions. Surely we must give pause and ruminate as to the full spectrum of our actions.

I believe this is the beginning of new prose for our country. Because we are few, every step must be calculated for maximum benefit. To be foolhardy in exercise is causal for failure.

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An act of war indeed. Montana Constitution- ARTICLE II

DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
Section 1. POPULAR SOVEREIGNTY. All political power is vested in and derived from the people. All government of right originates with the people, is founded upon their will only, and is instituted solely for the good of the whole.
Section 2. SELF-GOVERNMENT. The people have the exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state. They may alter or abolish the constitution and form of government whenever they deem it necessary.
Section 3. INALIENABLE RIGHTS. All persons are born free and have certain inalienable rights. They include the right to a clean and healthful environment and the rights of pursuing life’s basic necessities, enjoying and defending their lives and liberties, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and seeking their safety, health and happiness in all lawful ways. In enjoying these rights, all persons recognize corresponding responsibilities.
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Section 12. RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons.
http://courts.mt.gov/content/library/docs/72constit.pdf