Gun Confiscation = Act of War
Submitted by dwalters on Mon, 12/31/2012 - 14:14Any person that comes to your house to get your guns should be met with deadly force. Shoot to kill.
Further, I would not recommend participating in any attempts by the government to make more exhaustive lists of gun ownership.
Laws are only effective when people mind them. Don't be complicit. Stand up against any measures that violate rights outlined in the Constitution.
The right to bear arms is a sacrosanct right of any free people. In addition, we have the right to stand against illegal searches and seizures. Gun confiscation not only violates the 2nd Amendment but also the 4th.
In the event that gun confiscation begins I suggest having enough food in store to last at least a couple of months (rice, beans, etc). Train members of your household how to conduct an effective fire watch detail and implement standard procedures to combat unlawful intrusions on your property. As well, it wouldn't be a bad idea to invest in a home security system that cannot be remotely controlled from outside of your residence. Instead invest in loud buzzers that activate upon opening of windows or doors that work off of batteries.
Be vigilant. It is a shame and shows a great failure of leadership that we should even have to discuss these things.
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
~Thomas Jefferson
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
~2nd Amendment to the Constitution
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
~4th Amendment to the Constitution
If they want our guns, make them murder us in cold blood. We are peaceful citizens, but we have the right to self defense against a tyrannical government.
And to those agents of the central government that may come with intent to disarm the populace, please consider what your reaction would/will be when they come to disarm you. It is your duty to uphold the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Don't let them shit on our rights. Make a stand. Where will you draw the line?
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Every VFW and American Legion Post Commanders need to be contacted NOW to call for a nation wide call to arms to make it clear that the line has been drawn and this will NOT stand!
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What a bunch of scum to use Sandy Hook as the instrument to grab guns - shows what we are up against
Brings to mind what happened to that Census Taker down Kentucky way a few years back
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Thank you Perry911. Anywhere and everywhere!
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Use Deception, Hide Your Firearms
Confrontation will end in disaster for gun owners if they take a stand against the federal thugs should an attempt be made to confiscate the peoples' firearms.
It always ends badly when a weaker force uses the 'hold your ground' or 'shoot it out' strategy against a superior force. Look at Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Alamo, etc. The government will always bring to bear overwhelming firepower against you. You may think leaving this life in a blaze of glory will rally the rest of the country towards defending the 2nd amendment but sadly, it won't. No reinforcements will be marching to your defense because the majority of the country has not suffered enough. To throw away your life or that of your family serves no purpose and the media will claim you were just crazy. What to do?
Consider an alternative strategy. What do the federals want? They want your guns but if there not in your immediate possession they have nothing to claim. So hide them someplace where only you know their location. Make the federals prove you own guns and then use any excuse to deny you have them. Delay, delay, delay as much as possible.
Eventually they will move on to another home to look for "easy pickin's" so to speak. Be smart, not rash. Live to fight another day when our numbers are greater.
At the moment they circle in
At the moment they circle in on you like sharks, that's when all rule of law is gone, and they are the organs of the Sholtsyzentizentne (sic)
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They will not just move on.
They will not just move on. They will imprison and torture you until you tell them where the guns are. There are 1000 gun owners for every policeman. If each patriot can take out one gun confiscator then gun confiscation will end fairly quickly.
Too Dramatic...
A more likely scenario would be full out registration first with penalties for not being completely honest. Then registered g-owners get a registered letter (like from the IRS) stating on a certain date/time you are to report to a secure local gov. location and bring your firearms. Delays or refusals will get your driver's license suspended, restrictions on your passport... eventually having your bank accounts frozen and or confiscation of all other assets. That will take care of at least 3/4 of owners waiting behind their doors locked and loaded without a shot being fired.
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If this is the case
I have the solution for that :) If they operate on paper that is something you can easily defeat and actually have a big fat trump card. You are a man/woman living with full responsbility for your actions. They are acting as a corporate thing... with limited liability.
The main idea is to not make any claims. All you are asking to do is for them to clarify who they are, what they want... and what is the basis of their presumed power.
Very few people realize that when these "public servants" attempt to contract with you - you have a right to full disclosure of the terms in the contract. If they send you a letter that is an offer to contract.
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There won't ever be "another day when our numbers are greater."
If confiscation is implemented, that is the day when our numbers will be the strongest. After that, we are either dying fighting, or giving up willingly.
Your "logic" is flawed.
I also take extreme exception to the idea that I should be a coward and let me neighbor get the brunt of the government's force upon them as "easy pickins."
It is the duty of the Patriot to defend his country from its government.
Your espoused philosophy here is no different than behavior that liberals engage in.
They don't think others will really help out the less fortunate, so they clammor for taxes and welfare. They think this way, because they are selfish.
You claim no one will come to your defense because YOU won't do that for someone else. You've stated yourself, you intend to hide your guns and instead watch idly as your neighbors are either disarmed, or slaughtered.
Your position also brings up a very important question, if not at the point of overt acts of war against you - at the point of attempted disarmament, you will not defend yourself, then why hide the guns at all? When exactly do you plan to put them to use and for what?
Genius, THAT is the time you are supposed to use them if for no other reason.
Your Fervor is Admirable But Irrational
You're not thinking clearly.
There will be a first call to disarm.
The government will make a general announcement that to insure the safety of the population from subversion and insurrection it is necessary to suspend the 2nd amendment and all firearms are to be surrendered peacefully. Many will proactively comply and as I correctly labeled them with the moniker, "easy pickin's". These men do not have the will to resist the federals. They are a liability not an asset and will not risk their lives for you when the time comes to make the fight for freedom.
After sometime, a second call to disarm will follow.
Federals with the assistance of local law enforcement (sheriff, town, village, etc.) will make a neighborhood to neighborhood push to call on homeowners and apartment dwellers asking them to surrender their guns. Again, many will comply. There will be some rebellion (you and others). If Your plan is to meet force with force at this time, the government will overwhelm you. Unless you plan to armor up the outside of your home you would be in a fixed and undefendable position. You cannot win and your sacrifice will be pointless.
Again after sometime, the third and final call to descend into tyranny.
Search warrants will be issued for those registered gun owners and their homes will be raided. What guns are found will be confiscated. There will be more forceful resistance but they will perish too. End of story.
However the federals won't have your guns if you remain silent as to where they are concealed even during the final call. Delay buys time to form a cohesive opposition.
The time for Americans to step up and defend the country by forming militias is now, before the first call or immediately after it. Former military personnel experienced in asymmetrical tactics such: guerrilla warfare, swarming, Fabian strategy, etc., must provide the leadership to achieve a successful resistance. Unfortunately I don't see that happening as of yet. Do you?
If you do decide to engage the federals by yourself, you better have access to the same weaponry they have if you want a fighting chance. Pistols and rifles won't be enough because they will have many personnel on the ground laying down concentrated fire on your position.
You need to get your hands on hardware such as the AA-12 repeating shotgun (see: http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarm... ), or the M320 Grenade Launcher (see: http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarm... ) or the MP5 (see: http://www.guns.com/reviews/heckler-koch-mp5/ ). These three weapon platforms and their associated accessories are enough to repel a SWAT team until you can bug out to a safe location. You need to study, train and prepare for the unexpected; are you up to it?
You will have the element of surprise and you need to attack as soon as the first federal comes on your property. You can't wait for them to set up a perimeter. You'll have to kill everyone of them, leave no wounded. Can you do that?
Think about the words I am writing because this is reality, not some video game.
I don't play video games. Not that kind anyway.
Perhaps we are talking past each other.
I understand fully every thing you are saying in this latest comment.
I thought we were discussing the step #3 all this time.
Certainly, a voluntary request, even one done door to door, is far different than armed assaults house to house.
Surely, if force is NOT being employed against you immediately, then there is no cause for lethal force in response. (steps 1 & 2)
However, when step 3 happens, and I see them coming, I'm not going to survive the encounter anyway. I might as well engage first and hope to take out as many as I can. And I can certainly come to the aid of my neighbors going through the same thing.
I don't have the training or the tools to win a war. My place will be to hopefully make your task a little easier.
Will my resistance in step #3 hinder your ability to win later?
If so, please explain how.
A few things
First of all, there are a *lot* of militias, and even more civilians getting tactical training with their ARs and AKs that could form a semi-cohesive squad on the spot.
Second - sure, if you can somehow get your hands on a grenade launcher, that's FANTASTIC. It's the tactical equivalent of an artillery piece, and you could theoretically hold an entire SWAT team at your mercy with one. Unfortunately... well, try getting one. As for the AA12 and MP5, starting to sound a bit like Call of Duty, here. The AA12, aside from having delightfully low recoil and full auto, is not special compared to other shotguns. Same ammo - most likely buckshot or slugs - which will not penetrate Kevlar, let alone rifle plates (though it will lay an epic hurting on the target). The MP5 is an even worse idea; high rate of fire, small bullet, low penetration, expensive gun.
My recommendation: AR-15, AKM, or AK-74. Even better: FAL, M1A, or HK91 clone if you can afford the gun, ammo, and mags. They're all semi-auto, but MOAR DAKKA is overrated. Tactical training is available for all of them, fairly readily.
Hide them......
I know you mean well begintowin but I gotta say it. Hidding them will get people XXed.
It does not work for licensed and/or registerd owners.
If you are the "registered" owner your expected to produce -or else-.
The historic track record around the world of gun confiscation uses the -or else- method.
All EVIL is being done in the guise of "Some people being better than others." Because: Some ainmals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-
What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks
What Does "Or Else" Mean?
Will the Federals murder you on the spot? Doubtful, so you'll still be alive. Will they take your firearms? No because they won't find them if you've hidden them well. They will have to go through due process of charging you with a crime which will happen. If your attorney is sharp you will make bail and be free. You can escape to somewhere and be hunted for sure but live to fight another day.
Dailypauler, the freedom movement needs you alive, not dead and your weapons to be ready when called upon. Otherwise committing suicide by forced resistance serves no purpose.
"They will have to go through due process of charging you"
Have you read NDAA 2012? They don't have to do anything of the sort anymore. They will have a special place for "or else" if any actual confiscations occur. I personally think that 98% of Americans would gladly hand over their guns and the remaining 2% would be divided between "cold dead hands" types and indefinite detainees. If you hear about gun confiscations, my advice would be, to quote your post, "You can escape to somewhere and be hunted for sure but live to fight another day." Because if they come to your house for your guns, it's too late.
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The or else is exactly what
The or else is exactly what happened to the jews during nazi germany.
I Don;t Suggest we do Nothing
We have time on our side but without an organization, leadership, training, and weapons it will be futile. Think about it.
Did the American colonists fight willy nilly against the British and the Tories? No, they formed militias and trained together. We have to do the same.
Are you organizing?
As grassroots, boots on the ground I take initiative before asking others to get on board. I do not think it right for someone of Liberty to ask others and do nothing themselves.
Some of your other posts are informative, and more or less spot on, btw.
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Your cowardly philosophy overlooks the glaring fact that you
NEVER fight. "Another day" keeps coming, but you keep hiding and running.
Defending yourself is not suicide.
If you die from someone else's bullet - they murdered you.
Your fear and cowardice are trying to turn basic concepts on their head. Put it in check or you are going to regret one day the things you will watch yourself engage in. You are laying the foundation for an empty life, one that will terrify you and tear you up from the inside out. You are only making it easier to later commit heinous acts of atrocity upon others in your future efforts to "save your own skin." Your philosophy is the one that turns in his neighbor as a Jew to the NAZIs so maybe they won't come for you.
If you don't like these things I'm telling you. Change. Because this is the person you are on the path to becoming with that attitude.
Why do You Chasten Me?
Is is cowardly to want to survive? Is to hide and run not a tactical strategy? Brother, you need to read the annuals of American history. Let me elucidate you.
George Washington, commander in chief of the continental army employed Fabian strategy on several occasions (see: http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/militarystrategies/p/fab... ).
History recorded Washington saying, “Avoid a general Action,” never “put anything at Risque.” (see: http://www.georgewashington.si.edu/life/chrono_war.html ).
Samadamscw, this will be a protracted struggle for our people. I applaud your bravery and it is greatly needed. But we have to be disciplined in executing a plan that will achieve success. No good is accomplished from a reckless death.
Certainly. I'm not suggesting attacking first. That would be
reckless.
But defending yourself is never reckless.
There is no plan.
We either individually take out as many of them when they come for us as we can, or we just accept slavery.
There is NO other option.
You claim there is, that you can hide your guns and remain armed. But for what purpose? You have no intention of using them. EVER. You will forever claim, that any action "now" is "reckless." That is because you will never be in a greater position of strength than you are right now.
If the traitors who attempted to confiscate door to door didn't know if they were gonna make it alive to the next house or not, they would quickly decide it wasn't worth it.
If we take out at least one each time, even wound them, if someone is sniping them as they move from house to house, if door to door battles begin, and other neighbors DO come to the aid of others in the path of the battle, then there is a chance. Not much, but better than surrender.
The more resistance that is encountered upfront, the better chance everyone else has. THAT is why people resist. Not for themselves - but for everyone else.
One resister will give courage to thousands to do the same.
If you roll over - you're as good as useless to anyone.
At what point are you going to magically decide not to roll over any more?
At what point are you going to say "okay, NOW is the time to fight?"
The answer is NEVER, because your own arguments say we aren't strong enough yet. We don't have the numbers. But after confiscation, the few who managed to survive AND hide their guns and ammo, will be far fewer in number than we are now. They will be a shell of the force that exists now.
If you sit around waiting for
If you sit around waiting for the thugs to knock on your door, turning a blind eye, or even worse actively supporting he thugs when they make up stories that someone else somehow deserve to have their guns confiscated, you are right. The Feds will be able to do as you say.
The other option, to draw a line in the sand, and once that line is crossed, you go on the offensive proactively, will work, as long as enough people are clued in.
Say, if ten million gun owners, upon hearing that someone, somewhere, for some trumped up reason have their guns confiscated, immediately go about shooting and killing all those who support the confiscation. That woul work. I can't commend it, as doin so may well be illegal. But there is no doubt it would work. Just like a similar reaction did work in the revolutionary war.
The key is "Enough People Clued In", Isn't It?
Ten million gun owners doesn't equal a unified force or army if you will, not right now anyways. Drawing a line in the sand means you mark yourself for death and believe me, you or your family will be dead for sure. What will you accomplish for the freedom movement if you're dead? Nothing.
We need you to be alive and in possession of your firearms when the time is right which is most definitely, not now.
If the time isn't right at the point of disarmament, WHEN?
The American revolution STARTED with an act of disarmament.
If every one of the colonists decided to act on your advice, you'd still be a British SUBJECT - with NO GUNS. (more likely, you'd be speaking German as England would have lost WWI without an independent America to come to their aid)
Death in the defense of liberty DOES accomplish the goal. In fact, there is sadly NO OTHER WAY.
Living as a coward who NEVER stands up against tyranny accomplishes only tyranny.
I agree 100% but maybe you
I agree 100% but maybe you should hide some guns in case they break in and take them while you are gone. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Absolutely.
I agree.
gun registration = act of war
It's time to draw the line. Some sort of public action plan, gun rights legislation at state, county, town levels.
"Any man worth his salt will stick up for what he believes right, but it takes a slightly better man to acknowledge instantly and without reservation that he is in error." - Andrew Jackson
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Depends on the size of the drone.
But here's an idea:
http://www.dailypaul.com/268120/the-next-step#comment-2884649
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