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House Debate and Vote on Fiscal Cliff

I thought there should be a Thread to discuss the Live debate and vote in the House on CSPAN today. I also think we should remind our friends and family that it is no coincidence that Congress chose to engage in such a massive undertaking on New Year's Eve and New Year's day. Moreover, all of the Representative's offices are closed because it is a Federal Holiday. This means you can't contact them with comments or opinions on how they should vote. I do suggest you leave your Representative a nice message about how you feel they should vote and why you believe it is shameful that they waited until today to take such action. Such a shameful process means that the Public has no opportunity to read the text of the legislation (157 pages) and opine to their representatives how they wish them to vote. This is a shameful process, regardless of what side you're on. Remember, our Congress had 2 years to fix this mess, and, instead, they kick the can further down the road. BE ACTIVE and GET INVOLVED.

EDIT: This was my call in rant on C-SPAN. I tried to get everything in there for Liberty and Peace.

For Liberty,


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Great job! You need your own radio show do you have one?

I don't

and maybe one day my voice will ring to a larger audience. For Liberty!

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington


I think you hardly took a breath.
You really held the torch up high for Liberty.
Great job there.

Could someone probably manage to do this at Msnbc, Fox, CNN also?

Loved this call! Love that

Loved this call! Love that you told her that we shouldn't cut SS and Medicare first. Love that you brought up the need to cut the bloated Pentagon budget! But wish you hadn't said we need to cut aid to countries that don't like us. That is code for cutting aid to all but Israel! Cut aid to Israel first and then cut the rest. Israel is a liability!

Isreal doesn't like us either.

They just USE us... and their mission is to DESTROY us.

Epic call..

I love the reporters "oh $hit" face through the entire clip.

That was awesome.

Jan. 3 is election for new speaker

of the House. Call ALL of your Republican congress-people and tell them you want Boehner out for dropping the ball on the Fiscal Cliff negotiations and caving on conservative principles. The Bill they passed last night, for which he voted YES, was a 41:1 ratio of tax hikes to spending cuts. The CBO estimates that it raises the debt over $4 trillion in 10 years. Boehner has to go! Call your Reps and let them know how you feel....



"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

I bet he gets reelected too!

I bet he gets reelected too! I get so frustrated thinking about everything you said, because I don't understand why we can't hold these traitors accountable! I mean why can't we?

juan maldonado

Ubuntu that's fantastic

Big, big win for getting the message out, I'm glad you called in.

The Obama/Boehner tax-cuts/tax-increase boost the deficit by over $300B per year. And the tax cut was the easy part that Boehner bungled. There is zero chance the House will take a stand on entitlement reform that goes any further than what Obama wants for entitlement reform.

The GOP is already dead. If libertarians had been successful the GOP would instead be vibrant. President-elect Paul would already be at the table, eliminating the income tax and slashing Pentagon and entitlement spending towards a balanced budget.

This is a morality problem in Washington.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.


Great job.

I try to change people every day. Do You?

Tyranny Defined by John Locke -Tyranny Enacted by US Legislature

John Locke - 201:

"It is a mistake to think this fault is proper only to monarchies. Other forms of government are liable to it as well as that; for WHEREVER the power that is put in any hands for the government of the people and the preservation of their properties is applied to "other ends", and made use of to IMPOVERISH, HARASS, or SUBDUE them to the ARBITRARY and IRREGULAR commands of those that have it, THERE it presently becomes TYRANNY, whether those that thus use it are one or many. Thus we read of the thirty tyrants at Athens, as well as one at Syracuse; and the intolerable dominion of the Decemviri at Rome was nothing better."

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RichardTaylorAPP - Chair - American Patriot Party.CC

John Locke #201, 202, 212 to 232; Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions 1798; Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788; Rights of the Colonists 1772.


Massive freakin' props. Loved listening to this.

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Freaking AWESOME Lady! Way to

Freaking AWESOME Lady! Way to mention the Federal Reserve and the MIC!!

*Wisconsin Constitution* Article I, Section 25 "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security,defense,hunting,recreation or any other law-abiding purpose"

Ubuntu, I just want to COMMEND you...

You did an absolutely MINDBOGGLINGLY AWESOME job of not letting the C-Span talking head not get a word in edgewise!!! You were organized, coherent and factual and gave her no opening and you seemed to do it all without taking a breath! I stand in AWE. Glad you are on our side.

The things that will destroy us are: politics without principle;
pleasure without conscience; wealth without work; knowledge without character; business without morality; science without humanity; and
worship without sacrifice: Mahatma Mohandas K. Gan

Time for change.

Replace Boehner.

I used to

get angry and tell my family the truth. Now I just do as I will and sit back and watch it unfold. Its kind of strange seeing people wake up slowly but I do get hope with things they say now and again that they are doing just that.

Tell me about it! I had an

Tell me about it! I had an aunt 5 years ago say, "Are you ok?" like I had a problem. She now believes me and moved out of a major metropolitan area to buy a farm. Unfortunately, I have a sibling who is the polar opposite of Constitutionalists and freedom-lovers. Even with things going as they are, she'd never admit in a million years that she's on the wrong side of history.

Great job Ubuntu!

You did well there!

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

It is all theater. What else do you expect when

most of the politicians are venal sociopaths or psychopaths.

This is a system of ruler and ruled, which is what most of history has been. The brief period when the USA was something different and government protected freedom long ago ended; hail to the King and his Lords.

As Ron Paul has warned, it will end in financial collapse. There is not much to do in the meantime except prepare. Voting doesn't work because the overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens want government management of the economy and government benefits galore. Freedom is ill understood by the masses, who believe they are free because they can vote, go to the church they choose (or none at all), and speak as long as they say nothing of substance.

This disease in our society is going to turn out to be fatal for the majority. When the USSR collapsed millions dependent on that system quietly died. But at least the Soviet government melted away into the night. Here in the US I bet those in control will get very nasty and refuse to leave the sinking ship, and it will come down to a real revolution.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

sharing your thoughs - will credit you - excellent statement

thank you for this succint explanation of why it doesn't matter !

First off, when are you

First off, when are you running for Senate?

Second, you make a fantastic point that reminded me of this quote from Tolstoy:

“Evil cannot be suppressed by the physical force of the government - the moral progress of humanity is brought about not only by individual recognition of truth, but also through the establishment of a public opinion.”

It is high time we take the moral high ground on these issues!

It seems appropriate that this once great nation has fallen--

when we look at NY's Eve celebrations with a major news channel journalist reporting on the celebrations~~deliberately showing 2 gay men kissing in front of the TV cameras. This was by design, and whether we agree or not with this behavior, it really is offensive to most people who see this still. So be it. It is a sign of the end of our American times and our American culture which has now officially lost all her protection from God. It is laughing in the face of our GOD, laughing at his Book of Life, laughing at HIM. So, who cares about the government stealing more of our money through taxation or through the elimination of deductions, or through inflation? Why should we care any more? Why should we care what happens to the plebes? The Rinos & Dems don't care, not in the least...

Until there is a massive awakening, NOTHING will ever change. Unless people begin to FEEL their freedoms taken away from them, and when they are pushed up against a wall, then and only then will they change and say, "Sheesh, gee, golly, what happened, duh~~~" What idiots the masses least 1/2 of them anyway.

Oh, well, GOD is not looking kindly at his American children anymore. We shall reap what we sow. That's how the saying goes anyhow. And, those who can see there is MORE, MUCH MORE AT RISK here than us going financially over some stupid "cliff" realize that it is really about America going over the abyss into her own grave!

Um, I am a very gay man, and I

Um, I am a very gay man, and I am not responsible for the downfall of society. Take your bigotry and shove it up your nasty hateful as_.

i'm not saying you are a bad

i'm not saying you are a bad person, but social acceptance of gays, is not the cause, it's a symptom of a fallen society. there is a difference.

Eew, gays are stealing our freedoms?

I could feel my sacred Bill of Rights just going down the drain with men kissing on TV. Seeing such an offensive spectacle must have zombified the House Republicans into voting for the Obama/Boehner spending increases and tax increases against their wills.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

social acceptance of gays is

social acceptance of gays is not the cause, it is a symptom of a fallen society.

Do you really think it's that

Do you really think it's that big of a deal that a news station showed too men kissing?

Some day these traitors will be judged!


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Boehner Issues Statement [to save himself]

Moments ago, Boehner voted to enact "Obama's tax cuts", which is the new de facto Bush tax cuts (which expired yesterday), and which will raise the budget deficit over the next decade by $4 trillion, yet which at the same time paradoxically also hiked taxes on nearly three quarters of Americans with an emphasis on the wealthiest 1%. Now, Boehner also issues a statement to advise his constituency just what issue he will cave on next: spending.