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House Debate and Vote on Fiscal Cliff

I thought there should be a Thread to discuss the Live debate and vote in the House on CSPAN today. I also think we should remind our friends and family that it is no coincidence that Congress chose to engage in such a massive undertaking on New Year's Eve and New Year's day. Moreover, all of the Representative's offices are closed because it is a Federal Holiday. This means you can't contact them with comments or opinions on how they should vote. I do suggest you leave your Representative a nice message about how you feel they should vote and why you believe it is shameful that they waited until today to take such action. Such a shameful process means that the Public has no opportunity to read the text of the legislation (157 pages) and opine to their representatives how they wish them to vote. This is a shameful process, regardless of what side you're on. Remember, our Congress had 2 years to fix this mess, and, instead, they kick the can further down the road. BE ACTIVE and GET INVOLVED.

EDIT: This was my call in rant on C-SPAN. I tried to get everything in there for Liberty and Peace.

For Liberty,


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deacon's picture

excellent call-in

great job too,really enjoyed hearing that
especially loved the part "i could go on" lol
do you have your own radio program?
p.s.,thanks for the talking points in your post
those are a welcomed addition

Let it ever not be said,that I never did not do nothing for you.


were awesome!

Your call had me clapping!

BRAVO!BRAVO! You hit so many talking points in so little time..Very impressive!






"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

Last time Ron voted for a bill that would only stop tax raises

on middle class, for the same reason he greets the idea that half don't pay taxes with the statement 'we are half way there'. He wants to stop as much tax as he can on whomever he can free of it.

My understanding is the spending cuts couldn't get enough votes in the House, and that being the case, without this bill taxes go up automatically on a lot more than they will go up for WITH this bill.

What I don't know is how much new spending there is in it, compared to the baseline of automatic increases. I wish there were an analysis against the baseline that would occur with no bill at all.

However, the voting will all be done before we find that out.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul



"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

Fantastic rant!

Thank you for that!

2 Chron 7:13-14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

I Would Pay Money to Run This on TV

I would pay money to run this on TV in 60 second segments during any TV show we can afford on cable (What? Is she still going on since the last commericial break?). I would bet that it would be parodied, but also memorized and put into song!

Seriously, too bad the nation was watching parades and football.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Coming: One Of Boehner's Famous Up or Down Votes

There have been a few articles indicating that there might not be enough votes to pass this bill in Congress. So they will probably go with an up or down vote. Does that mean that there will be enough votes to pass this bill if they use a different method of counting the votes?


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Notice how she interrupted

Notice how she interrupted when you mentioned individual liberty?

What a fantastic job. My new hero.

Someone did Her Homework

Yes, teacher! I will continue hitting the books!

Also, that you brought up morality was fantastic! Many people believe morality concerns intimacy, you know, bedroom affairs. No so. Not only. Morality is simple to understand: right versus wrong. Hence the Founders' calls and RP's call for a country whose people are moral. Right versus wrong.

As if talking about this issue, morality, where more than one person hears it isn't important enough, Ubuntu, you mentioned that it -- as almost all other issues -- is irrelevant to the left-right paradigm. Brilliant move. A striking contrast of ideologies freedom and statism/slavery, truth and falsehood. Only thing better would be explaining the irrelevancy, which could be difficult because of the amount of time to talk, requiring fewer (or no other) issues brought up.

Note to self:
1) more studying
2) more thinking, especially

Note to CSPANers (and whoever calls in where):
Before explaining morality in call-ins or interviews, measure your ability to do it to the time you're given to talk so you can say everything you want to and, which you gotta be sharp about, reply to. All things politics share an issue, well, a trait. That trait is morality, whether the issue is moral or immoral, whether it is right or wrong, whether government activity is at-the-expense-of activity (read: interference) or no activity unless in reaching justice, fairness, an activity after the fact.

School's fine. Just don't let it get in the way of thinking. -Me

Study nature, not books. -Walton Forest Dutton, MD, in his 1916 book whose subject is origin (therefore what all healing methods involve and count on), simple and powerful.

Wow, you must have been very

Wow, you must have been very prepared with your speaking points layed out on paper because you were so organized and got in everything!

Nice call

You crammed in a lot of good points in 3 minutes.

nice job...

I am sure they apprciated your call. NOT!


I'm gonna send this out titled "a friend of mine on c-span". They tend to listen if they can identify. I'm comfortable calling you friend. Awesome call, you got so much in!

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I'll bet "Nay" becomes the new "it" word for 2013.


excellent! so much info in

excellent! so much info in so little time .... rant on!!

I love you Ubuntu!

I love you Ubuntu!

Pure political theatre

and that is all that it is. Whenever the democraps and the republicons agree on anything it means that we are getting screwed big time.

Notice how they always resolve the issue at the last minute and usually on a day where most Americans are getting plastered....a holiday. This deal, obummerCare, the Federal Reserve Act and on and on.

With the media carrying the water for the vermin in Washington and the sheeple doing what sheeple do....it is like taking candy from a baby. Sucks for all of us.

fantastic call

Loved it we need to get out reps. to listen to us.

All lines ARE full.

Ubuntu, outstanding job! Please call in more often. I have called in but don't get nearly the amount in that you do :-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Cut spending not raise taxes.

Come on, the world isn't gonna end because of this Fiscal Cliff (really a Spending cliff). They are giving this more hype than the Mayan Calendar ending on 12-21-2012. They had two years to deal with this issue, let it go for another two years if necessary, in the mean time there will be a debt ceiling for them to scare people, we need to block any increase in that as well. Let the new congress start from square one on this issue. Our job is to make sure they read the bills before they vote on them.

I don't think it is feasible

I don't think it is feasible to balance the budget without tax increases.

You have to realize that we are taxing at the lowest rates in 50+ years...

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

I think I know why Ron called them like a bunch of drug addicts

This is a little long but kind of funny/sad at the same time.

One of my neighbors has a son in his 20's nice kid plays football so they have $$$$.
The son I will call him kid because at our ages someone in his 20's seems like a kid.
Well he got hurt and cut I guess and the season was over but the kid disappeared for 2 days we where getting ready to worry but I told his dad that I had seen his son with a really good looking girl 2.5 days ago.
I had walked up to their driveway to say hi and the girl had ducked down behind the door thought it was strange but figured shy or something.

The Dad confides in me the kid had tested dirty for cocaine and was afraid the kid was at it again, I told him the season is over don't worry about that and we will get the kid help if we need.

Well the kid calls home and asks for a ride home from a motel 35 miles away he doesn't know where his SUV is.
The the story gets better and starts to remind me of our leaders.
He tells me how he "ran into the really hot babe at the local sports bar and she says let get a motel and some coke and she will show him a great time R&R for a few days for free"
I said "FREE" he ignored me at first, he was worried a where his car could be.
I said he had given it to the girl with his ATM card and pin# to go get supplies and didn't come back and because of his leg he didn't want to try to walk home.
I understood at that point but kind of had to have a little fun and hope he learned from it.
What supplies? He then confessed "coke" said they had partied hard for 8hr and then ran out of booze and he knew if he got caught drunk and driving his football career could get canceled for good.
I ask him how much money was on the card he say not sure.
Well I say to him congress and your prostitute have something in common they are going to spend your money until it runs out, then she may drop you SUV off somewhere when it runs out of gas and the card quits working so if you want your car back cancel the card now!

Question: How to we cancel congresses PROSTITUTE like behavior?

It worked with the pro she called a day later telling him what a ass he was because she was so embarrassed because she was at some restaurant with her friends and the card was declined.

That reminded me even more of our leaders they take our money give to their friend's BANKS etc....

And now Obama and The Republican's are taking about cuts to us not a word about stupid wars.

Just want what seems to be missing, Truth and Justice for ALL
What is fraud except creating “value” from nothing and passing it off as something?

It's all political theater!

It's all political theater! Everyone of the bastards should be arrested and tried for treason...

Good job on the call by the way!

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i called into my representatives office..

Allen wests mail box was full. not sure what to think of that. I dont know if I should call the ahole (edit: phone edited it from ahole to whole lol) senator of mine... Really left me feeling bitter after I emailed him and got the dem party line cut and paste message.. I'll try anyways I guess and see what happens.

their debating on a pay freeze now. im amazed honestly amazed.

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Understand, that the majority

Understand, that the majority of the American people are not on your side on this.

Understandbly, the majority of American people want their taxes to go down, and want taxes on the rich to go up. They also want no spending cuts.

So getting people to fight this deal is a losing battle.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

Question: are things better or worse if nothing passes at all?

If nothing passes at all, the Bush tax cuts expire, so this bill doesn't increase taxes, it cuts them.

Does it increase spending? Or without this does an automatic spending increase occur and this at least cuts it somewhat?

I honestly don't know if we are better off without it or with it.

Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul



"The only thing we die with is our own personal integrity!" LRH
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