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House Debate and Vote on Fiscal Cliff

I thought there should be a Thread to discuss the Live debate and vote in the House on CSPAN today. I also think we should remind our friends and family that it is no coincidence that Congress chose to engage in such a massive undertaking on New Year's Eve and New Year's day. Moreover, all of the Representative's offices are closed because it is a Federal Holiday. This means you can't contact them with comments or opinions on how they should vote. I do suggest you leave your Representative a nice message about how you feel they should vote and why you believe it is shameful that they waited until today to take such action. Such a shameful process means that the Public has no opportunity to read the text of the legislation (157 pages) and opine to their representatives how they wish them to vote. This is a shameful process, regardless of what side you're on. Remember, our Congress had 2 years to fix this mess, and, instead, they kick the can further down the road. BE ACTIVE and GET INVOLVED.

EDIT: This was my call in rant on C-SPAN. I tried to get everything in there for Liberty and Peace.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4281181

For Liberty,

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You said some awesome stuff in your 3 minutes. Way to go!

Thank you

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"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

Excellent rant

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f*kin a!

f*kin a!

So the "McConnel" plan is facing opposition in congress

And fellow Kentucky Senator Rand Paul voted against it
Simply because it raises taxes and doesn't cut spending
No problem "aspiring young politico" Jesse Benton to the rescue!
Excellent call i hope many heard it
The link to the audio/video should be reposted everywhere

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Thank you

for posting this. You phrased your arguments wonderfully and coherently, pleasure to hear the case being made.

You ROCK!!

thank you, nice job. Its time to start challenging our media nationally and locally. We should start putting signs in front of local media stations about controversial issues they do not report. Maybe at a local level we can help popularize what Americans aren't hearing. UNITE for LIBERTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kind people rock

you have my

vote :)

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

What is Ron Paul doing now on the House Floor?

There are four powerful Lame Ducks who are extremely active people. They are united in wanting cuts in the Defense budget. Which so far still has an increase to 633 Billion, from 604 Billion last year.

Bernie Sanders in the Senate declared he would wait and see, but voted yes when the Jan 1 vote came.

In the House until Wednesday, there is Ron Paul, Dennis Kuninich and Barney Frank. Ron Paul is planning to vote no. I hope they jointing add a amendment to cut the military budget 5 %.

Does someone here have direct access to Ron Paul, to give this suggestion to him to give it to the others and the 22 house members that signed a joint letter for defense cuts to
demand some military cuts or have a united no
http://www.dailypaul.com/268151/the-defense-budget-is-a-canc...
http://my.firedoglake.com/richardkanepa/

In Philly PA RichardKanePA

voting now looks like

A few hours ago DeFazio said he would vote no....we will soon see.

Provocative. Well seasoned.

Digital archive of C-SPAN video. Clip Created Jan 1, 2013 Ubuntu on
C-SPAN: Open Phones on "Fiscal Cliff" Agreement, Jan 1, 2013|

TIME LINe 3 minutes.
00:00:00 IS NOT ABOUT A DEMOCRAT ISSUE OR REPUBLICAN ISSUE.
00:00:10 WE BORROW 40 CENTS ON EVERY DOLLAR. THAT IS AFFECTING OUR CHILDREN --
WHETHER WE ARE DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN.
00:00:32 WE HAVE A MORALITY PROBLEM.
00:00:39 SPECIAL INTERESTS IN CONGRESS -- HAD TWO YEARS TO DEAL WITH THESE THINGS.
00:00:43 THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED.
00:00:50 WE HAVE A MORALITY PROBLEM.
00:01:04 REAGAN INCREASED THE GOVERNMENT, BUSH INCREASED THE GOVERNMENT, CLINTON INCREASED THE GOVERNMENT, OBAMA INCREASED THE GOVERNMENT.
00:01:13 WE HAVE MORE -- HOST: WHAT YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN IN THE HOUSE?
00:01:28 CALLER: THEY NEED TO NOT GO ON HOLIDAY.
00:01:35 THEY NEED TO TAKE THE MEASURE.
00:01:38 AND WHEN CAN AT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS?
00:01:41 WE CANNOT.
00:01:43 THEY GIVE US ONE DAY TO READ THE BILL.
00:01:45 THERE IS NO WAY THAT OUR PEOPLE CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
00:01:52 WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT INCREASES IN REVENUE.
00:01:58 I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF COMEBACK AND I DO NOT BEEN THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME INCREASE IN SPENDING.
00:02:05 OUR DEFENSE SPENDING IS OUTRAGEOUS.
00:02:09 OUR FOREIGN AID TO COUNTRIES IS OUTRAGEOUS.
00:02:12 WE PROP UP DICTATORS.
00:02:15 WE ARE ALLIES WITH AL QAEDA WHEN WE WANT TO BEAT THE SOVIET UNION, BUT THEN ENEMIES WITH THEM WHEN WE WANT TO BE IN AFGHANISTAN.
00:02:27 IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH ENTITLEMENTS, BUT ALSO BIG GOVERNMENT IS WORKING WITH BIG CORPORATIONS PREPARE UNTIL THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO GET OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MILITARY COMPLEX...

C-SPAN, Offered as a Public Service.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Outstanding

Thank you on behalf of my entire family.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

ytc's picture

UBUNTU, a great call-in speech!!!

So logical, passionate and forceful. Yes, we heard you clearly: it is a question of (the serious lack of) MORALITY in DC.

Thanks for calling & posting!

The sky is falling the sky is falling...

A majority of Americans are renting movies or watching bowl games, not interested in federal government. Great timing.
grant

Perhaps a great solution would be to stop all sportscasts until

Juhuvihs, Maybe if the play, televised sports were canceled until our budget problems were solved the solutions would be found more quickly

In Philly PA RichardKanePA

This was my call into C-SPAN

I may have ranted... but I tried to articulate properly...

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4281181

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

SteveMT's picture

Listened. Nice comment.

You're a fast talker. You did get in a bunch of great points.

Fast talking

Bostonian... can't help it my friend. All my law professors beg me to slow down, but I just get so worked up that once I get going, I can't help it.

Thanks for the comment!

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

How great was THAT!!

I've worked in one of the TOP law firms here in Boston for 15+ yrs as a seasoned legal assistant... No one here has the guts to tell it like it is or fight our flawed legal system as you have done in less than 3 mins!! I want to work for YOU, young lady! Not the old Brahmins of this city... You've been added to my "hero" list!!

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -John Quincy Adams

Thank you!

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"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

jrd3820's picture

It was beautiful!

:)

Haha thanks...

I was sweating after...

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

scawarren's picture

You did a GREAT job! I don't

You did a GREAT job! I don't think I've heard so many issues covered in such a short time and I loved how you kept saying it was a morality issue. You are absolutely correct :)

It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. – Mark Twain

I called in to C-SPAN

and if anyone can help me find the link to the video, I would appreciate it. I got in QE 3 and QE 4 and the Fed, Corporate Welfare, Foreign Aid and Undeclared Wars, as well as morality of debt. It was a call in to the Washington Journal around 1:30pm. If you have a link or know how to locate the video, please let me know!

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington

SteveMT's picture

Here is the c-span link for House session to start soon,...

for those with a sufficiently strong stomach. These people are now meeting again "behind closed doors."

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Fiscal-Cliff-Agreement-Passes-i...