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Got a Problem With Sovereigns? Then You Must Have A Problem With People Who Read Too!

“If you’ve relied on prior decisions of the Supreme Court you have a perfect defense for willfulness.” U.S. v. Bishop, 412 U.S. 346 (1973)

"In common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, and statutes employing the word are ordinarily construed to exclude it." -- Wilson v. Omaha Indian Tribe 442 US 653, 667 (1979).

"It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states." ~ Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt, 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997 (1854);

"There is no such thing as a power of inherent sovereignty in the government of the United States .... In this country sovereignty resides in the people, and Congress can exercise no power which they have not, by their Constitution entrusted to it: All else is withheld." -- Julliard v. Greenman, 110 U.S. 421.

"Our government is founded upon compact [contract]. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people" -- Glass v. Sloop Betsey, supreme Court, 1794.

...at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects...with none to govern but themselves..... [CHISHOLM v. GEORGIA (US) 2 Dall 419, 454, 1 L Ed 440, 455 @DALL (1793) pp471-472.]

The very meaning of 'sovereignty' is that the decree of the sovereign makes law. [American Banana Co. v. United Fruit Co., 29 S.Ct. 511, 513, 213 U.S. 347, 53 L.Ed. 826, 19 Ann.Cas. 1047.]

The people of this State, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the King by his prerogative. [Lansing v. Smith, 4 Wend. 9 (N.Y.) (1829), 21 Am.Dec. 89 10C Const. Law Sec. 298; 18 C Em.Dom. Sec. 3, 228; 37 C Nav.Wat. Sec. 219; Nuls Sec. 167; 48 C Wharves Sec. 3, 7.]

There's plenty more... feel free to add some. Anyone for an honest and open debate on the lawful basis of being sovereign? The term itself is just a title... and the way Bill Thornton exercises it is pretty cool.

"Comes now John Smith, one of the people and here in this court of record complains of..."

You just said two things:
1) "one of the people" = you are sovereign.
2) "court of record" = common law (no statutes).

Any BAR members up for a healthy debate? The SPLC/BAR (they are basically all BAR members) are demonizing sovereigns for one reason and one reason only: We cut into their obscene profits because WE DON'T NEED THEIR SERVICES IF WE KNOW THE LAW.

Now ask yourself this: Why was it illegal to teach slaves to read?

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The problem I have with

The problem I have with sovereigns is not that I dis-believe their research, but it seems counter productive to ask a part of the corrupt system(a judge) to acknowledge that you are correct and the system is wrong. The system will never acknowledge this as it is the system's way of maintaining itself.

If the system truly has no authority over an individual, then why submit to its authority by going to court in the first place. It would seem that by going to court, one acknowledges that the court has authority over the individual; isn't this an act of acquiescence? Also, if the court, or DA, or whomever doesn't have authority over the individual, then why address their letters at all? Addressing their letters, would seem to be the very first step in acquiescence, with the second step -going to court- being the last step where one, in a court of law, acknowledges before those present that the individual accepts the court as a superior authority. This is the last thing an actual sovereign would do.

I advise listening

to my intro #1 audio from the link in my signature to understand what is going on in court.

As I Up-Voted your post and comments below, the tickers

never moved up or down - someone down voting simultaneously to my up vote. Pathetic losers ....... Just flat ass pathetic traitors who troll these posts and down vote them.

You people go to the nearest mirror and choke yourself to death, please, do it now.

Keep spreading the word brother, eventually they'll catch on.

And remember: If you're not receiving a check on the 1st and 15th of the month from a local/state/federal gov't agency, and they have no employment contract or payroll records for you on file to prove you are obligated to abide by their internal-statutory codes, as in Title 1 through Title 50 of the US Code, then tell them to kiss your ass when they come calling, if they ever do.

They can't force you to work for free, slavery is illegal. If they aren't paying you for your time, then why would you agree to abide by their own internal statutory rules (not laws)?

If gov't wants you to perform some function of gov't such as collecting a sales tax, be sure to charge them for you time. You're not a tax collector, and if they want you to be a tax collector, send them an fee schedule; your time is not free, and it takes time and money to keep track of paperwork and collect taxes for them.

That's their job, they can have people who are on a gov't payroll collect taxes, at least they are getting paid to do something for their time.

Much love brother

I was just asking about you yesterday cuz I hadn't seen you around in a while. Was reported in chat you were in fact okay.

I was thinking about an FOIA request on "government" dealings with these internet companies who program troll-bots to do certain things on the internet.

Perhaps someone else would like to do a post on it... I'm posted out for today :)

Yep, I'm still here. It gets old trying to teach these people

the simplicity of taking back their freedoms and getting gov't off their ass, as well as putting gov't back in it's box, to see these well thought out and explanatory threads people like yourself and others, and I take the time to post, only end up disappearing into the dark holes of the forum with only one comment and two up votes.

After awhile of working your ass diligently to educate people on this site of the ease of remedy, and they just skip right over it and start another thread on Momma's Apple Pie and Beetle Shit Cures Cancer, and threads like "Call the switchboard and tell your Senators to vote no on stealing our rights" ... lol, it becomes apparent you're dealing with less than intelligent individuals who are not capable of seeing an apple if you were to put it in their mouth and tell them it was an apple.

Again:

If someone on this forum would put one of these posts on the front page that explains, if you're not receiving a paycheck on the 1st and 15th of the month from either, local/state/federal gov't and they have no employment contract and payroll records on file to prove you are in some way obligated to abide by their internal statutory codes, as in Title 1 through Title 50, then gov't can kiss your ass.

That's how you put this out of control gov't back in it's tiny little box; you starve it by forcing them to cough up some employment contracts that proves every American in this country is on the gov't payroll and because they are getting paid, they are obligated to follow rules within those Titles 1-50 such as Title 26, the Income Tax Code, or Title 18, the Criminal Code, etc.

If gov't can only tax their internal employees who THEY are paying bi-weekly, and they have to leave the other 330 million people alone, how much revenue do you think they will be able to collect to start these wars and build up their police state?

The UNITED STATES is a foreign corporation doing business on American soil people. They are to tax their own internal employees to pay you and I money for using our natural resources while they are here.

Wake The Fuck Up and stop calling the house of representatives and begging foreigners to not steal your rights .... lol

Jesus, this is unbelievable!

What in the hell do you think Internal Revenue Service means?

It tells you in the damn Title: It's for Internal Employees. They can only collect taxes off of Internal Government Employees.

thanks for these cases!

suggest any links on the topic?

song on the subject:
Payday Monsanto - Hiding Behind The Bar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxATy9u9as8

You can get quite lost on the subject

Bill Thornton does a great job of simplifying the Law for the layman who would like to file an action as plaintiff in court.
http://www.1215.org/

Dallas debt discussion is a great talkshoe... many victories are being had against debt collectors:

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=5...

Angela's "My Private Audio" talkshoe has an exceptional wealth of information.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=3...

As far as the folks I like to follow along with their work...

Carl Miller
Rob Ryder
Dean Clifford
Tami Pepperman (although she's not the nicest being to talk to)
Rod Class

There are more of course but in order those are the ones I find most informative, useful and most importantly... that are getting results.

I also have quite a few knowledgable folks on my skype contact list that I speak with on a regular basis. They don't have any websites or shows.

I will be starting up a talkshoe with a friend in the next few days as well. Will provide link if we go ahead and do the first show on "Self-government, Title and Biblical principles"

Bump...

What are people so afraid of?

NOTICE: I publicly denounce the methods of Jerry Kane and son for how they handled their conflict with public servants. The place for peaceful beings to handle conflict is in front of a mediator and jury of peers.

Do not place me in any box. I am who I say I am... and that is not a "sovereign citizen" I am... for your reference only... one of the people referenced in the preamble to the organic constitution for the republic. Silence is acquiescence.