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Please Stop Blowing Smoke Up My A* and Telling Me I'm Free

From another comment:

I rebutt the presumption that markets are free.

If that were true... I would be able to go to the store... buy some lemonade mix and cups... mix with water... put up a sign "50 cents" grab a fold up table - sit at the curb by the driveway and go into business for myself.

Then even cops would stop by on a hot day and buy some lemonade from me and not even ask me one question about my business other than "How's business friend?"

This was how things were ONLY 30 YEARS ago! How far down the road to in-your-face tyranny we have come! America is nothing more than a plantation. Tazers are the modern day version of the whip! Can anyone NOT see that we have been completely subjugated and even folks like me... who have exited all contracts and do not support tyranny in any way... are SLAVES or at best PRISONERS?

Due to my level of knowledge... which in no way "sets me free" I live in abject poverty because I know that THEY do not want me to gain any kind of "power" to be able to educate Americans to their own slavery.

The best analogy is where I have simply sat down and crossed my arms and have refused to pick any more cotton. As long as I'm not noticed... out in the field sitting behind some bush... I'm not beaten or killed. As soon as I begin shouting to the other slaves openly I would be cut down and dragged off all bloodied and bruised as an example to the other slaves.

A friend I speak with almost every day regarding self-government and biblical principles frequently states: "Hey if they want to be slaves that's their decision." To which I frequently reply: "You're making the assumption that people even KNOW they are slaves?" A lot of people in our movement say "I'm free" even though they are literally prisoners in their own homes due to fear of being persecuted for their decision to not support this system of slavery.

In some ways these people are WORSE OFF than prisoners because at least in prison you don't have to PAY FOR THE UPKEEP OF YOUR OWN CELL!

I'm sure if I did a DP poll asking straight up "Do you want to be a slave?" There would be a 100% "no" response. Yet even here... at DP the majority are at best only mildly suspicious of their slavery. They still participate in the democracy thinking: "If we just get the right guy/gal in there all these oppressive regulations will go away."

The most productive form of slavery is a system in which the slaves are not aware of their slavery. As long as you can choose which type of slavery you can do most think that choice = "freedom."

So at best... you have the freedom to choose the TYPE of slave chore you... even if you actually enjoy that type of work. This lack of awareness is the most frustrating thing I wrestle with. I'm disgusted when I'm at some event and the National Anthem plays and people put their hands on their heart and sing "for the land of the FREE and the home of the BRAVE!"

The video on youtube where children are getting busted for selling lemonade by the side of the road is proof that we absolutely have the furthest thing from a free market we can possibly have.

...although I'm sure I'm wrong about that... things can always get worse.

People in this country really need to start... first of all becoming adults, and then allowing other adults to take whatever risks they want when dealing with others in PRIVATE CONTRACTS.

I remember FINALLY graduating from high school and thinking "I'm free!" Shortly thereafter I realized I had new de-facto parents whom I would never be allowed to get out from under in order to be free. These de-facto parents do not care about my well being... do not provide for it and only use me in order to hoard more resources for themselves.

Americans are no different than the family dog who occasionally gets a table-scrap after begging for a long enough period of time by voting, petitioning... protesting... not to mention is tied to the tree in the back yard by a very short chain.

One need not look any further to determine why the economy in this country is in the tank.

I look forward to your comments.



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This is a great, short

video clip to describe this situation we are in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb8Rj5xkDPk

The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
-Thomas Paine

freedom without liberty

What use is freedom without the liberty to exercise it?

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http://youtu.be/2n34eeXWjUQ

Fancy Shmancy Fine Print:
http://youtu.be/plIH98Kxu58

You are correct--

*we* are all in bondage.

It's hard. I have thought long and hard about how to break out--

and yet I can barely keep my head above water (physically, financially, emotionally, etc.)--

Where do *we* go--

Slaves used to be able to 'run away'--

There is no place to go.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Who here told you you're free or that this is a free market?

This is Fascism; a merging of political corporate and financial powers used to regiment all industry and control the free market (productive labor) from the top down using regulations, fiat money and a puppet dictator, yet even THIS is better than an Anarchists version of a free market.

"I'm disgusted when I'm at some event and the National Anthem plays and people put their hands on their heart and sing for the land of the FREE and the home of the BRAVE!"

Of this, I have no doubt. I suspect that you're disgusted any time you look people.

"Americans are no different than the family dog"

And you're here trying to help them? I don't think so. I think you have nothing but ill will towards anybody you look at whether they're singing the national anthem or not...

Let me ask you straight up: " Are you an Anarchist, and do you want to be able to buy your own slaves in a free market of violence serving the principle of self interest without the fear of facing justice, because as bad as this system is, guys like you make it sound like things could be worse?"

Simply wish to be ruled by Law

and not by men.

Consider all presumption of my intent/language rebutted. I'm not sure why you have chosen to attack me in this verbal fashion but I do forgive you for your transgressions.

"They know not what they do."

Laws are written and enforced by government, so no, you're not.

Than you aren't an Anarchist.

Unless... What kind of laws are you talking about? Remember, the NAP is not a law, it's a principle, and you'll need to defend it from those who believe in the principle of self interest; from those who use violence to serve their covetous nature. That's where laws, justice, and government come into play.

"I'm not sure why you have chosen to attack me"

Because you called me, my family, and everybody I love "dogs", and I have a hard time believing somebody that sees me that way has my best interests at heart. It makes me think you get off on treating people like dogs.

Why is Anarchism bad? Can you tell me why? Could it have something to do with those who look around at people with disgust and see them as dogs?

Law, Title, and Code

["Laws are written and enforced by government..."]

Correction: Statutes and Codes are written and enforced by government.

The Law is the Constitution.

Legislators write and enact Statutes to uphold the Law.
Legislators codify regulations (Codes) to enforce the Statutes.

So the legal pecking order goes like this...

1. The Law: Constitution is the Law of the land.

2. Statutes: rooted in The Law. Statutes must comply with the Law.

3. Regulatory Codes: rooted in Statute.

Note:
My interjections in this discussion has nothing to do with the "dogs" discussion you're having with other user.

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And those laws are based on defending a principle

And those laws are based on defending a principle, the NAP, liberty, but without the Constitution, the statutes and codes, the underlying principle goes undefended. The principle is rendered worthless, without functional value, that is unless everybody agrees with it and lives by it; which clearly, when it comes to the NAP; they don't.

People now mock liberty. They WANT what aggression can offer them, plunder, slaves, and dominion. So that's what they're offered and what now underpins the law; slavery, injustice, and oppression.

The law can be your friend or your enemy, but without it, the principle which rules is the principle of self interest, that might makes right. Without justice, mans covetous nature reigns supreme because people are more than willing to use violence to take what they covet, and the only question is; how much can you bring to bear?

A principle is a law. A law is a principle.

NAP = Non Aggression Principle

["...the NAP is not a law, it's a principle,..."]

WRONG

From the American Heritage Dictionary

prin-ci-ple
n.

1. A basic truth, law, or assumption: the principles of democracy.

2.
a. A rule or standard, especially of good behavior: a man of principle.
b. The collectivity of moral or ethical standards or judgments: a decision based on principle rather than expediency.

3. A fixed or predetermined policy or mode of action.

4. A basic or essential quality or element determining intrinsic nature or characteristic behavior: the principle of self-preservation.

5. A rule or law concerning the functioning of natural phenomena or mechanical processes: the principle of jet propulsion.

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http://youtu.be/2n34eeXWjUQ

Fancy Shmancy Fine Print:
http://youtu.be/plIH98Kxu58

Half way there!

Now all that's left to realize is that an involuntary organization that makes rules for everyone and uses the initiation of violence to enforce them i.e. a group of people that calls themselves the government can NEVER be a solution to our goal to live in actual freedom.

Once that is generally realized and also generally realized that each adult is ultimately he himself responsible for the protection of his freedom then we might finally start moving in the right direction.

All that's happening now is a lot of time wasting and mainly just trying to stay alive in this prison.

haze - please help

You say we're only halfway there, but I see us being halfway there from a different direction.

Would you be so kind as to read my comment below?

Why is it that no one sees that government is just a tool. Government is being used by big business to shut the rest of us out.

At root is the money - fiat money, created by a private corporation (btw most (big L) Libertarians hate it when at is said, since in their world, anything "private" is good, while anything "public" is bad, and the Fed throws a monkey-wrench into that worldview), used by private corporations but enforced by the government.

It is all a system. Yes, the government has the use of force. But it is big business that is reaching its hand up into the institutions of government - writing the laws that favor them - that is just as much of an issue.

Big business is the puppet behind the government. Ron Paul touched on this somewhat - about the corporatism. But even he chooses to focus on government.

But let's not forget that even Ron Paul says that there is a role for government. He is not an anarchist.

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

You're right

There is no free market. Our market is highly regulated, as your example points out.

To take your example, what you propose is impossible, due to state regulations. Any food (or drink) must be prepared in a "commercial" kitchen. That kitchen must be licensed ($$$ for the state), and inspected (more $$$). It must be up to code, meaning you cannot use a home blender, or toaster, it must be "commercial" grade (more $$$).

All of this is foisted upon us as "protection," as if we'd all be dying of food poisoning without such regulations.

The truth is that BIG BUSINESS loves these regulations. The truth is, if you were out selling lemonade at .50 cents per glass, you'd be undercutting Minute Maid, and Coca Cola (which produces that lovely beverage, packed with high fructose corn syrup), would have none of that. And so Coke teams up with the State to make sure that you can buy or sell only state approved lemonade.

You are correct. I will not tell you, "You are free." Clearly you are not.

But I challenge you to rethink your last statement: One need not look any further to determine why the economy in this country is in the tank.

Coca cola may be only 70th on the Fortune 500, but it is 11th in terms of profits. They made $12 billion last year.

Country in the tank? Not Coke. Not Minute Maid.

Now excuse me while I rant: People have their panties all up in a wad about "The Government" making it not a free country. Well take a closer look friend. The government is just Big Business's bitch.

I look forward to your perspective on this, vinceable.

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

Great comment thanks :)

I accept your challenge:

Go to the side of the road and start any business you choose... tomorrow. Then when some revenue agent comes to you and tells you what you can and can't do... you then get a piece of paper.

When I say "look no further" what I mean is you need to START THERE to realize how bad things are. Now you have to do your due-diligence in order to deal with the piece of paper.

I don't feel like searching for the precise text... but it is said that the cop is "holding court at the side of the road." If the cop is the plaintiff... you are the defendant and are now rebutting the presumptions of the plaintiff.

The piece of paper is also a contract offer. You obviously have the option of accepting the terms of the contract, asking for the terms to be clarified, or you can outright reject the terms... without dishonor. The cops presumed "authority" comes from him making presumptions in the contract which you do not object to. He has presumed you owe the fine... and if you do not rebut that presumption you must pay the fine since you've agreed to it.

Here's a great letter a friend recently wrote that has worked extremely well for that purpose:

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Allegedly the Eight day of the month of October of the year Two thousand and twelve A.D.
To: XXXXXXXXX
Acting as ‘debt management’ agent and/or principal
For the corporation known as Xxxxxx Regional Council
XXX xxxxxxxxxx Street, at xxxxxxxx East
XXXX, 3XX6

Notice of refusal for fraud and surrender of your documents

Greetings XXXXX:

On last alleged Wednesday, Third day of the month of October of this current year A.D. and again yesterday, two envelopes were found, one on each occasion; and later one of them was opened in error.

1- After due lawful consideration, and a conversation with his chosen lawful counsel, the author of this Notice has concluded that he has no other alternative than to refuse the entire contents of such envelopes for fraud, given that said documents have been weighed, have been measured and have been found wanting, to say the least; and also, he has concluded that he must surrender said documents back onto you so that the implied and not explicitly stated liability, is returned to you.

2- The author understands that the Xxxxx Regional Council is a corporation, and therefore a dead entity In Law, and as such he cannot possibly communicate with the dead. For the same reason of impossibility, the author cannot communicate with anyone who being a man or a woman, does not accept fully and unrestricted liability.

3- The author considers that there could be only one lawful alternative left for him, as matters currently stand:
to demand that you confirm in writing and within the following ten (10) standard days and no later than by the alleged Nineteenth day of the current month and year, that you accept full and unrestricted liabilities in regards to the responses you must provide, to any further lawful questions which the author will endeavor to put to you within the following standard fourteen days.

4-The author also requires from you that you confirm that you will hold him harmless throughout this entire lawful process.

5-All responses must be sent exclusively to the following contacting name and location:

XXXXX-XXXX
c/o Post Office Box XXXX,
at xxxx, non-domestic

Any further attempt to send any correspondence to any entity who is not the author himself as indicated above, which incurs on any further insults, misdescriptions, titles of nobility, and/or anything else which diminishes the author’s capacities as well as his lawful and natural standing , and therefore is noticed to be inviting the author to commit fraud and/or perjury by tacit acceptance, is hereby denounced and will be refused for fraud and returned to sender, inexorably.

6- Furthermore all responses to this Notice, must be sent by you and none of your agents, nor principals, nor subordinates; given that the record proves consistently that these corporate enties have been unable, unwilling and/or incompetent in bringing any and all the outstanding matters of law to a proper and lawful clarification and further resolution. The envelope itself must also be clearly and unmistakably identifiable whereby the name of the man or woman sending it under full and unrestricted liability, must be legible and clearly written, to avoid further deception, fraud and/or perjury, as well as any remote chance of a later claim of plausible deniability on your behalf.

The author trusts that you ought to be able, willing and competent to lawfully respond to all lawful questions and inquiries.

The author greatly appreciates your immediate and undivided attention
Most respectfully

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John-Paul
All rights reserved, without prejudice and without recourse
Not a commercial entity, nor a government employee, nor a person-legally-speaking, nor a juristic person, not a creature of statute, nor a creature of policy to the best of his first-hand knowledge

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Now after sending this to the mailing location on the piece of paper you were handed... you wait 10 days for their response... which will not come. After which you send a reminder notice... give them another opportunity to "prove their claims" and then a final notice which is below:

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Allegedly, the Seventeenth day of the month of December of the year Two thousand and twelve, A.D.
To: XXXXXX XXXXXXXX
acting as ‘debt management’ agent or principal
for the dead In Law corporation known as Xxxxxxx Regional Council
xxxxxxx Street, at xxxxxx East
xxxxx – 3xx6

Judgment by default
“Tzedek tzedek tirdof lema’an tihiyeh…” Dvarim 16:20
“Justice justice will you chase after, (only) for that purpose you will live…”
Deuteronomy 16:20

1- The author has not seen nor been presented with any substantial evidence, nor fact, that shows that you have lawfully responded to his Notice of refusal for fraud and surrender of your documents, dated on the alleged Eight day of the month of October of the year Two thousand and twelve A.D., and delivered/sent to you on the same day; even though you have unconditionally accepted receiving said document, and having read it, and being knowledgeable of its contents against which you have not raised any dispute, as expressed by you recently on or about the first week of the month of December, during a phone conversation, as per the author’s recollection of events.

2- The author has not seen nor been presented with any substantial evidence, nor fact, that shows that you have lawfully responded to his Reminder notice of refusal for fraud and surrender of your documents, dated on the alleged Thirty first day of the month of October of the year Two thousand and twelve A.D. and delivered/sent to you on the same day; even though you have unconditionally accepted receiving said document and having read it, and being knowledgeable of its contents against which you have not raised any dispute as expressed by you recently on or about the first week of the month of December, during a phone conversation, as per the author’s recollection of events.

3- Findings of evidence, subsequent facts and subsequent truth:
a) The record shows that you failed to confirm that you “accept full and unrestricted liabilities” in regards to all relevant lawful matters, and
b) The record shows that you failed to “confirm that you will hold ((the author)) harmless throughout this entire lawful process”, and
c) The record shows that you failed to confirm that you are able, willing and competent to lawfully respond to any and all lawful questions;

Expressum facit cessare tacitum. What is expressed renders what is implied silent. (Maxim of Law)
therefore:

I) You accept that you are not performing in good conscience i.e. not with bona fide intentions, and
II) You accept that you are not willing to confirm that you will not hold the author harmless and that you indeed intend to harm him, and
III) You consider that you are unable, unwilling and/or incompetent in the discharging of your lawful obligations;

4- The author considers that the only applicable parameter of justice that must apply to all lawful matters pending to be resolved is that: Every man or woman is completely responsible and therefore liable for his or her actions and omissions, In Law; Notwithstanding, any alleged public service capacity or incapacity, under which such man or woman may claim to be acting; given that you have made allegations and claims and: Semper necessitas probandi incumbit qui agit. The claimant is always bound to prove: the burden of proof lies on him. (Maxim of Law)

5- Given that the author intended to establish a non-violent line of communication with you, and yet due to your failure to present any and all lawful excuses, the author has no alternative but to issue this Judgment by default, given that the evidence and the facts show unequivocally and without controversy, your acceptance of all the points raised in the above named documentation as per paragraph 1- and 2-.

And given that:
Expedit reipublicie ut sit finis litium: It is for the public good that there be an end of litigation. (Maxim of Law)
Then the necessary lawful determination is:
With regards to all the matters as above described you have been found guilty of fraud and guilty of failing to maintain proper records.

6- It is the author’s unequivocal and unmistakable understanding, that due to the fact that:
a) there seems to be a total and complete absence of a properly established “Superior court of public record” upon this land, besides his own, nor
b) a “Grand jury of his peers”, which could otherwise serve as a point of reference for a Declaratory Judgment, therefore
this Judgment by default in the current format as it is accepted throughout the author’s community, conforms with and supports The Law, and has its own inherent jurisdiction as already established by default, and it is therefore non-appealable.
Respectfully In Law
----------------------------------- John-Paul
All rights reserved, without prejudice and without recourse.
Not a commercial entity, nor a government employee, nor a person-legally-speaking, nor a juristic person, not a creature of statute, nor a creature of policy, to the best of his first-hand conscious knowledge.

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Now after going through this process and getting them to judgement by default (because they have agreed without objection to everything you have stated) then you re-open your business and should you get a notice to go to court... simply go to the court with all of your documents, certificates of mailing... etc...

Tell the judge "Your honor, I respectfully refuse the charges for cause, based upon the grounds that I have attempted to clarify the terms of the contract whereby the plantiff has elected to remain silent.

As you know, a court is for the mediation of conflict. It is indisputably shown that plaintiff has agreed to the presumptions of law in my correspondence. This frivolous action should be dismissed with prejudice based upon the grounds that a court of record has already been held and a judgement by default has already been entered."

A "court of record" is a judicial tribunal having attributes
and exercising functions independently of the person of the
magistrate
designated generally to hold it, and proceeding
according to the course of common law, its acts and proceedings
being enrolled for a perpetual memorial. Jones v. Jones, 188
Mo.App. 220, 175 S.W. 227, 229; Ex parte Gladhill, 8 Metc. Mass.,
171, per Shaw, C.J. See, also, Ledwith v. Rosalsky, 244 N.Y.
406, 155 N.E. 688, 689.

However, no statutory or constitutional court (whether it be an appellate or Supreme Court) can second guess the judgment of a court of record. “The judgment of a court of record, whose jurisdiction is final, is as conclusive on the entire world as the judgment of this court would be. It is as conclusive on this court as it is on other courts. It puts an end to inquiry concerning the fact, by deciding it." Ex parte Watkins, 3 Pet., at 202-203. [cited by SCHNECKLOTH v. BUSTAMONTE, 412 U.S. 218, 255 (1973)]

NOTE: This is experimental and we should have the results very shortly. There is someone who is already handling a contact with a public servant in this manner. If you choose to also do the experiment... obviously the worst that can happen is you would have to pay/discharge the fine and shut down your business.

By all means however... do not just take it lying down. I'm not advocating for violence in any way. If we are not able to question as to the grounds of their presumed jurisdiction... at the very least they would need to admit they have none... and that they rule not by law... but by force alone.