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Been There, Done That, Are You Ready To Start Over?

Anyone who has been paying (as little as possible) attention to the latest fiscal cliff vote and now the re-election of Boner as Speaker of the House... MUST NOW SEE that these people do not care about us... do not work for us... and have no desire whatsoever to stay within the bounds of the oath they are now going to pay lip-service to.

WHY would any of you continue to participate? With congresses approval rating at 12%, isn't it a reasonable assumption that a MAJORITY would support a declaration to:

"institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Proposal to the sovereign people:

1) Get ballot boxes. (Any old cardboard box will do).
2) Nominate candidates (or candidates may volunteer).
3) NO PARTIES and NO NAMES on BALLOTS - Paper ballots with the position that needs to be filled with a line next to it... only.
4) Count these ballots in full public view.
5) Before doing the following... begin promoting to all in the freedom movement the dates of the up-coming elections.
6) No more REPRESENTATIVES... we elect delegates instead... which we delegate our powers to by consent.
7) We take a serious look at the constitution and figure out which flaws can be corrected. One flaw I take issue to is the judicial branch not being able to weigh in on new legislation.

No force is necessary. No civil war is required. We simply stop paying attention and start dealing with the paperwork they continue to send to us.

Please note 18 USC 1342:

Whoever, for the purpose of conducting, promoting, or carrying on by means of the Postal Service, any scheme or device mentioned in section 1341 of this title or any other unlawful business, uses or assumes, or requests to be addressed by, any fictitious, false, or assumed title, name, or address or name other than his own proper name, or takes or receives from any post office or authorized depository of mail matter, any letter, postal card, package, or other mail matter addressed to any such fictitious, false, or assumed title, name, or address, or name other than his own proper name, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

To handle ANY document sent to the ALL CAP NAME (which is a FICTITIOUS NAME - (Refer to your grammar school education - this is very clear) - The simple way to handle this is to get a RED SHARPIE and put the text on the envelope as follows:

18 USC - 1342
Fictitious name or address

Stick it BACK in the mailbox... do NOT open it!

They SHOULD start leaving you alone... however if they do not and you get a notice from a court - you do the same and the court should leave you alone. If the court still has not removed the hearing from the record a few days before... show up with all of your documentation and enter it into the record at the clerk's window. If she refuses to file it you take the red sharpie again and put FILE ON DEMAND across the top and hand it back to her. She SHOULD file it after that without a problem.

Next you walk into court... wait for the NAME to be called... then stay BEHIND the bar and say "I am here for that matter on special appearance. Evidence has been filed by me into the public record regarding my refusal for cause to act in that capacity. No objection has been raised by the plaintiff. I petition the court to discharge the charges with prejudice based on the grounds of mistaken identity."

I can also point to an actual situation where a DP member did the following... which I fully endorse based upon my present level of knowledge:

I had a friend in the DP went to court yesterday on a BS public drunk charge - the cops came to his house and arrested his wife, then him. So he went to "court" and his name was called... he said - I am the living beneficiary of that estate - the judge said ok - we will take your case in 15 min... They start - she calls the STRAWMAN - he replies I am here for that matter as the living beneficiary of that estate - she again asks if he is MICHAEL P - he replies I am the living beneficiary of that estate and here for that matter if you wish to call me a name you can call me Michael. She asks him if he has the birth certificate bond for the estate? He does and hands it to the bailiff - he stands behind the bar at all times and never enters the ship - and she examines it. She then calls to prosecutor and confers with him - after 2 min she asks him how he intends to proceed... he says - NO PROSECUTORE - and she says very well - she then says STRAWMAN this case is NO PROSECUTORE and you are free to go... and Michael - you are free to go as well... WOW - this is working - you must know who you are - and how to conduct yourself in "court" and this is just the beginning...

Now you have been given the knowledge to make them leave you alone. The only thing left is to begin the process of governing ourselves. This post was written on the fly so you should probably bookmark it as it will be getting edited as it evolves.

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"these people do not care about us" BFD!!!!!

So what???? Makes the fight that much easier for me.

If I really wanted to be a sovreign, I would become a nun.

18 USC ss 1342

Sorry, but you are misinterpreting this subsection of law. The purpose of this law is to deal with people committing the frauds listed in 18 USC ss 1341. Notice this line:

Whoever, for the purpose of conducting, promoting, or carrying on by means of the Postal Service, any scheme or device mentioned in section 1341 of this title or any other unlawful business,

Here is subsection 1341 that is being referenced:

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, or to sell, dispose of, loan, exchange, alter, give away, distribute, supply, or furnish or procure for unlawful use any counterfeit or spurious coin, obligation, security, or other article, or anything represented to be or intimated or held out to be such counterfeit or spurious article, for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice or attempting so to do, places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter, any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service, or deposits or causes to be deposited any matter or thing whatever to be sent or delivered by any private or commercial interstate carrier, or takes or receives therefrom, any such matter or thing, or knowingly causes to be delivered by mail or such carrier according to the direction thereon, or at the place at which it is directed to be delivered by the person to whom it is addressed, any such matter or thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation occurs in relation to, or involving any benefit authorized, transported, transmitted, transferred, disbursed, or paid in connection with, a presidentially declared major disaster or emergency (as those terms are defined in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122)), or affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

Sorry, but it looks like you are using statutes that govern fraud via mail to assert some legal means of getting out of a court's jurisdiction. You can be compelled to come to court. Justice is a requirement in a civilized society.


Which is precisely what they are violating

If you are unable/unwilling to respond to the following case cite then I'm simply not going to bother arguing with you. You will be outing yourself as a BAR agent.

Do you or do you not agree that "government" is an artificial entity which can only concern itself with contracts... inasmuch as those contracts must be voluntary?

“Inasmuch as every government is an artificial person, an abstraction, and a creature of the mind only, a government can interface only with other artificial persons. The imaginary, having neither actuality nor substance, is foreclosed from creating and attaining parity with the tangible. The legal manifestation of this is that no government, as well as any law, agency, aspect, court, etc. can concern itself with anything other than corporate, artificial persons and the contracts between them.” ~ Penhallow v. Doane's Administraters 3 U.S. 54; 1 L.Ed. 57; 3 Dall. 54, (1795);

Would you care to make the claim that I am not "tangible?"

Are you claiming that contracts can be lawfully compelled?

If you are truthful and you agree (by your silence or avoidance) that contracts cannot be compelled and that government must gain consent through contract then pretending to require this subjugation would be a violation of law... which you conveniently left out of your answer: or any other unlawful business

Are you claiming that this precedent has been abrogated?

In case you would accuse me of promoting lawlessness I will go further:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

The Grand jury is the precise intent of the founders as they wanted to protect liberty. A Grand jury is "of the people." That is how far down the road to tyranny we have come... as people now believe a public servant can arbitrarily pull you off the street - without so much as a piece of paper to proof his delegated power to do so... and throw you in a cage.

This is why when the elites are dealt with... they must be INDICTED first... because they know their rights. You hear about "so and so was indicted" on the news but somehow that does not apply to you. Please tell me BAR member... when did some people become "more equal than others?"

I'm not an attorney and am

I'm not an attorney and am not a member of any state Bar. I just happen to know how to read through legalese with a fairly keen ear for what is being said. Our forefathers created three branches of government when they consented to allow a limited governing of themselves. The judicial branch was created and consented by the ratifiers of the Constitution. As a citizen of the US and by being present in its' jurisdiction, you are under contract, an inherited contract. You can void that contract by going to any foreign US Embassy and renouncing your citizenship there, for starters.

There are plenty of ways to win in court without having to resort to phony pseudo-judicial interpretations of mainly irrelevant court cases. All that mumbo-jumbo won't do you a damn bit of good when the judges feel free to interpret law as they wish and pass judgement on you without any legal justification for their actions. So go ahead and adhere to your beliefs, all I can say is, "good luck with that."


Kind of off topic but here is

Kind of off topic but here is a question you might be able to answer.

If I were to legally change my name would this void my Social Security contract in my old name? Does it void other contracts as well since I'm no longer that person?

According to common law...

You can simply just start calling yourself whatever you want. Don't have the references off hand but I would refer you to the 9th amendment as far as the proof of your lawful ability to do so.


I try to refrain from saying "change my name" as referenced in the comment below.

My thinking in the original

My thinking in the original post was not as much about what name I go by but an easy way of voiding contracts with the Government.
I thought maybe if I legally changed my name that I would be a blank slate so to speak, and get to decide if I wanted to be a part of any Government program or not.

My name was once changed as a

My name was once changed as a child and I later changed it again myself as an adult. The SSN attached carries over to the new name. I've had 3 different names but one SSN. You get a change of name certificate.

Thanks for the answer I

Thanks for the answer I thought you would have to sign up all over again.

Doesn't matter.

Each time you make a "legal" change... a new fiction is created which mirrors your calling. "To name a thing is to steal it's power." You do not want to be named... you can choose to call yourself whatever you wish.

Was your Congressman elected by a majority of registered

Was your Congressman elected by a majority of registered voters?

I estimate the 37% elected my Representative. Tyranny of the minority and taxation without representation apply.

The only error in the Constitution was to allow government to borrow. IMO.

Andrew Jackson paid off our foreign debt in 1835.

Re: Judicial action, I disagree. If a judge rules that at a law is repugnant to the Constitution it is void and holds no authority under the law.

The Patriot Act, FISA, NDAA are all repugnant to the Constitution. The judiciary has failed in its duties, as has the Congress and the Executive.

Free includes debt-free!

...and please..

Stop listening to Alex Jones and all the rest of the fear-mongers... including FrankenFeinstein. Civil war is THEIR goal... not ours!