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Sandy Hook a hoax?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC7yLkqkuXA&list=UUEHsSWvrGVS...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1jg0H-MfVY

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WHY haven't we seen even *ONE* real tear?? Only ONE parent even had a tissue in her hand!!! Grace's mom smiled thru the WHOLE interview!!?? WTF?? If it was MY child I would be curled up, fetal for weeks unable to eat, bathe or feed myself much less be perfectly coiffed, makeup, smiling & acting like it's all okay, it's 'what she would've wanted' CRAP!! The man the police had PRONE & the one in the woods at the scene.  EXPLAIN THESE THINGS if you want us to believe. IT'S A SCAM!!



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How long have you been in that bubble filled with purple haze?

You might want to come out and experience reality every once in a while.

Read a few history books and then get back to us.

How about you start with "A Creature from Jekyll Island". If that don't wake you up...nothing will.

I'm well aware of the Fed smartass

That isn't a conspiracy. The existence of any of the 3 central banks was open knowlwdge.

Details might be obsure to the public, but our ECONOMIC SYSTEM is not the same thing as covering up the murder of children. Sheesh.

Ok I was wrong

Pick up a DICTIONARY cuz apparently your ass ain't so smart.

con·spir·a·cy
/kənˈspirəsē/
Noun

A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
The action of plotting or conspiring.

Synonyms
plot - cabal - scheme - intrigue - collusion

In 1910, 6 banksters and financiers got together and CONSPIRED a way to form the Federal Reserve out of 10 banks and how to get it sold and passed through congress.

the Federal Reserve which is a conglomeration of banks that do great harm to our country under the guise of being a government agency is the very definition of CONSPIRACY.

So your right. Telling you to pick up a history book is a tad premature. First pick up a dictionary.

My dictionary has a word for you, too!

par·a·noi·a
[par-uh-noi-uh]
noun: baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others.

Those two examples you gave are in themselves Hoaxes.

Derp derp.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

2 thoughts on WTF may be going on here. Neither is good

1. This is a Hoax and these are actors.

2. These parents' emotions are overtaken by the presence of a "celebrity" rather than the loss of their child.

However, I'm leaning towards these being actors like that first "father" who was laughing before getting into character like actors actually do.

One thing is for sure, something just doesn't feel right. Too much disinformation.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Come on now...

I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation for this...

I'll have to get back to you though. I'm working on about a dozen other perfectly good explanations. Tough economy... I just started working for the ....

Okay that's like way not funny.

i don't know what you call it

but it stinks.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

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This is why they call us terrorists

Where's the empathy my friend? You have the right to express your opinion but you should be sympathetic no matter how suspicious you are.

As a Libertarian I do not believe that individuals (especially other Libertarians) should judge another individual's emotions and behavior so harshly. Especially after a tragedy as severe as losing a child.

Imagine being the woman you call "Grace's mom". Really focus and think about how it must feel to be her assuming that her daughter really was killed December 14th. How would you feel reading this post?

I admit that I too am suspicious that I have been lied to about the events at SHES. I cannot explain the man in the woods or the kid who saw a man getting arrested. I wish a policeman who was there would explain that.

I dislike the way you are going about exposing truth. There are much better ways to incite suspicion in others than speculating how another individual should have behaved. Try sharing facts and ask questions like (I.E. where's the window Adam supposedly shot out?, Was liscense plate 872 YEO registered to Nancy Lanza or Chris Rodia?)

"Grace's mom" can act, say, and behave how she wishes because she was created equal to you and endowed by her Creator with inalienable Rights.

Sincerely and sympathetically
Old No. 7

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

I agree with much of what you say

But to answer your question - how would i feel reading this post.

I would be angry. I would be spiteful. And to those ends I sure as hell would not stay silent. I would know my child was dead. I would have attended a funeral. I would then go WAY out of my way to let the poster know that my child was dead. I would not want my child caught up in some crazy conspirousy theory. I would also NEED to know the truth myself.

Yet for all the questions - like in all the other shootings/stabbings - the silence is deafening. At some point - the only way to get where we need to go is going to be by being blunt and to the point.

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That's a good point

I still disagree, it's wrong to judge other's behavior and assume there's a conspiracy because they aren't acting normal.

However, you bring up a good point, I don't see a PO'ed parent on this thread, and there should be 40.

Do 1 out of 40 people read the DP?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Nonsense

There's a pattern of outlandish behavior and the existence of the pattern constitutes solid evidence.

All these friends and family of senselessly butchered children and teachers and not one wet face or real loss of composure? In fact, a lot of smirks and seeming indifference....They all, I notice too, tell little anecdotes of the sort a writer of fiction might dream up.....Each person serenely, often smilingly, recites a story about the dead person. "She was our little CEO," or "He was just saying what a great Christmas this was gonna be....Boy was he wrong!" And when they "break down," the most any friend or family member has come up with is a contorted, completely dry, usually not even red, face. We've all been to funerals and seen the wrecks people are when they lose someone under relatively normal circumstances.... But every last one of these people has this bizarre, un-horrified response to this most extreme degree of horror and tragedy. It seems absurd.

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I'll take the high road and respect your opinion.

I will just say that one cannot know how another will/should behave. That is their right just as is your right to express your opinion.

What you are doing is speculating. I respect your right to speculate and I'm glad you are suspicious. Your suspicion validates my own suspicions and affirms to myself that I'm not crazy for thinking there could be more than meets the eye in this case.

However, I ask you as a friend in liberty to focus on the facts that are provable beyond a reasonable doubt instead of imposing your own altruistic view of how you would act and assuming anyone not responding the way you think you would respond is an actor involved in a mass conspiracy that you give no factual evidence to support.

Try the golden rule, you know judge ye not lest ye be judged.

Focus on the car, the second shooter, the time of death difference between the mother and the chiildren...etc.

There are much better ways to expose the truth.

Please stop judging grieving souls, this makes you no better than Westboro Baptist protesting military funerals in my opinion.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Seriously

You seem like a nice guy, but you might be getting caught up in your own syllogisms.

A pattern of abnormal behavior that can be objectively identified as abnormal by a lot of people who have loved ones and who have lost loved ones indicates some common, abnormal factor....So, this pattern, if it can be established, can be used as evidence to support the theory that the common, abnormal factor is that these people are fakes involved in a fake event.

This is simple and sound logic....A guy accused of killing his wife goes on the witness stand and his grief seems like a cheap act. The jury takes this into account and weighs it along with a lot of other evidence. They don't dismiss it because "everyone grieves in their own way." Same thing's going here. These people, down to the last person, aren't believable as grieving friends and family, and they happen to be central figures in an event that happens to be a dream come true for our fascist government. It's totally appropriate to factor in their behavior "on the stand" if your theory is that this event is in any way staged.

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Who is to judge what is normal?

To classify all humanity as normal/not normal is a logical fallacy. We are all different, individually unique human beings. Imposing your idea of how someone should behave is not fair to them. Do you act because you feel a certain way or do you act considering how other's percieve your actions? Do you conform to what is "normal" on purpose?

Why do you cry when someone dies? Is it to seem "normal" or because you feel sad. What happens if someone says something about your dead relative that causes you to laugh and smile? Do you suppress the laughter because that is "normal"? Or do you laugh because that memory made you happy even though someone might thing that isn't "normal".

"Oh no Margaret, was that action considered normal by the United State Goverment? Those who don't act normal might be terrorists, better go turn myself in!"

No one man can judge another man's behavior as "not normal" since we are all unique individuals who cannot know our own experience and perception is the same experience and perception that everyone else has. The truth is that we are all different, unique, individuals with different thoughts, emotions, and behavior.

Peace and Love to you, I honestly think that you'll have more success accomplishing your goal if you focus on facts instead of behavior analysis 'nonsense'.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

What is the meaning of the word "is"?

I think we need to establish that before we can say what "is" "normal." And also, are you really reading sets of ideas that I have deliberately typed in here, or are you just imposing some arbitrary standard of what "normally" constitutes words and sentences on all these beautiful, unique letters? Hmmm....

Face it, man. These people, taken as a whole, are bizarre....It's not only perfectly appropriate to contemplate what this might indicate, it's irresponsible, as far as seeking out the truth of situation is concerned, to NOT contemplate what this might indicate.

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"is" - a form or the verb "to be"

Yes I read your comments, and the only thing I've seen you post on this thread is your suspicions on how you think people should be acting.

Casey Anthony's prosecutor spent a lot of time focusing on her behavior while neglecting facts in the case. The prosecutor put more effort into portraying Casey as a partying whore who killed her daughter to go out instead of focusing on the google searches, the lies, and the car.

In case you don't remember, that prosecutor failed miserably on what should have been an easy victory.

Setting a standard of normal/abnormal behavior is a slippery slope into authoritarianism where we all must conform to "normal" to be citizens.

I'll keep my individualism thanks, I'm pretty happy being not normal.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

This post is regarding how

This post is regarding how family members are acting "abnormal." You might notice the quoted comment and linked videos refer to people's conduct, not all the other factors. That's why I'm weighing in here, on that particular subject. See?

Didn't catch any of the Casey Anthony stuff. Don't watch TV...But it doesn't change that there are standards of normalcy in anything you can name.

There are specific, common sense standards of normalcy as far as emotional/nervous system responses to losing loved ones in shocking, outrageous, unnecessary ways. There are also common sense standards we can apply when predicting how those nervous system responses might manifest as things we can observe, such as tears, running noses, utter loss of composure, wild outbursts, etc.....

It's all pretty straightforward. Don't be afraid of 2+2=4.

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I'm scared of opinions of "normal" used as factual evidence

This is the road to 1984.

We set "normalcy standards" for behavior for all U.S. citizens. Then we take their rights whenever they act abnormal. Then everyone lives in fear of being deemed abnormal and works to conform to normalcy standards instead of just being themselves.

This road of "normalcy standards" leads to an emotionless, thoughtless, careless slave of an individual with all actions being approved by Government. THAT IS EFFING SCARY! Please stop judging others behavior, especially if you haven't had the same experience. You say what you think you would do but fact it, you don't know what you would do or how you would act.

I didn't cry in front of anyone when my grandfather died but the rest of my family did, is that normal?

Since I didn't act normal should I lose my rights? Should I have a hand gun carry permit? Should I be placed on psychotic drugs and admitted to a crazy hospital because I didn't react the way you think I should have when I lost my granddaddy?

The things you are saying aren't Libertarian at all, and I suggest you stop judging others behavior. You are not God, that is not your job.

Not to mention that this information is only important to people that are already suspicious about the shooting. This type of post and comments just cause skeptics(the people your trying to convince) to discredit all of us because they don't judge people who have lost a child.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Buddy.....

I'm having a tiny bit of trouble taking you seriously.

The things I'm saying aren't libertarian? Are you trying to tell me there are standards of NORMALCY for how libertarians ought to think and communicate? Man, that's incredible. Something like a complex philosophy that gets into the intricacies of economics, social organization, ethics, etc., etc., and is interpreted differently by many millions of people can be boiled down to certain standards.

But an unbroken pattern of upstanding citizens evidently unperturbed by their butchered kids, that's in a hazy gray area that defies any kind of systematic analysis....got it.

I give up. Nothing will ever make sense. From now on I defer to experts like you and our masters in DC. I'm gonna turn in my libertarian card and go get me an Obama bumper sticker.

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My point is that none of us are experts

The Libertarian normalcy standard goes like this: “I want to use all my strength, to resist the notion that I can run your lives, or run the economy, or run the world. I want to use that strength to repeal and reject that notion, and stand up and defend the principles of liberty.”

We're supposed to defend liberty and free will, not judge everyone's actions and deem them to only two groups of normal and abnormal. As long as those parents aren't infringing on your Rights they shouldn't be persecuted for how they act. They have rights too.

As a Libertarian I believe none of us have the right to judge behavior. It's the golden rule for Christ's sake. "JUDGE YE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED"

Even psychologists with 8+ year degrees screw up in diagnosing people and often give them drugs that make them violent or suicidal. Is that normal?

I bet you would feel different if you were being persecuted for your actions in such a way.

Your arguing with me like this isn't normal for DP subscribers. Now I suspect you're involved in a big conspiracy to divide the liberty movement. See how that works?

Anyone can convict anyone with your logic.

I can envision a day when people like you bring down your own freedom to share the conspiracy theories you love. Questioning the Government story isn't "normal", that makes you a terrorist. In the same way gun owners may be targeted as terrorists in the future, you also might meet the same fate.

Quit trying to play God and judge everyone, and stick to sharing facts that you know.

You'll be more successful that way, ask Casey Anthony's prosecutor.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Might be you have too much

Might be you have too much time on your hands.

But thanks for the discussion.

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That's one way to cop out

Thank you also for the discussion and being civil.

Even if we disagree here we're still fighting the same rEVOLution and we're in this thing together.

I know the courts focus on behavior as evidence but the paranoid side of me is scared $#itless about these things.

Especially since the N.D.A.A. authorizes indefinite detention for suspected terrorist acts.

I fear that one day a majority of Americans will be considered terrorists by the Government.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

It was just getting

It was just getting repetitious. There are differences between normal people having gut-level responses to these people's odd conduct and the gov using fake psychiatric diagnoses to brand citizens outlaws or incompetents. I understand the parallel you're trying to draw, but it doesn't quite work.

I'm not saying to convict any individual based on a knee-jerk response to their behavior. I'm saying factor in a *pattern* of out of place behavior with all the other oddities and agendas attached to this situation....This evidence, these people's behavior, might turn out to mean nothing...I get that...but to be afraid to factor it in when trying to get to the bottom of this is not good detective work.

But, see, I'm repeating myself, again. Thanks again for the discussion. No offense intended. I'm sure we'd be friends in real life.

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My last comment was uncalled for

Even if we disagree on this one we're still fighting the same fight. Long live the rEVOLution!

In the same way, I understand your point but it scares the #ell out of me. I hope someone does prove this thing a hoax and blows the lid off the gun grab plan.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

You know

I have yet to be able to wrap my mind around this massacre. It just to bizzare. To me nothing about any of it is based in reality. Why were none of these parents allowed to view their children's bodies.

Why did that fucking criminal creep Erik Holder have a secret meeting with the first responders on the scene?

This whole thing is so far down the rabbit whole I cannot even attempt to descend into it.

Yeah, the mother in me says "No way."

No way would they put my baby in the ground without one last hug. And no way would I learn my baby was dead and be smiling and laughing with anyone, maybe ever again, but certainly not within 24 hours.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

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the father in me says the...

exact same thing!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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