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Rand Paul: Fiscal Cliff Bill Was Brought to Floor at 1:36AM, We Voted at 1:39AM. No One Read It.

Hannity | Fox News | January 3, 2012

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why am i watching hannity...

why am i watching hannity...

This can't be true

Congress loves us. They wouldn't do something that trashy. There has to be some other explanation.

The Paul family is genius.

The Paul family is genius. They sure do know how to play their cards don't they? And with precise planning. This man is going to be president! Timing is everything!

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Deja Vu

If you didn't catch the date: This was LAST YEAR!

The date is wrong. It's from

The date is wrong. It's from yesterday.

Dear Rand...

...Please quit talking to that Ron Paul-hating, Neo-Con piece of crap Hannity.

WHY, WHY, WHY do you give him as much as the time of day?

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While I do agree with your sentiment

It is because like it or not - Hannity has a HUGE audience that Rand will need if he wants to go for the presidency. It is simple math.

Yes to this.

Yes to this.

I Second The Motion

There might be a misunderstanding by many well-intentioned people on this issue.

There are several classes of people who can help the freedom movement.

One class comprises the purists who speak theory. Those are the experts who spark debates and help us all improve our facts and logic.

Hannity is not in that class as several regularly point out.

But Hannity can help the movement by putting some of us in front of his audience. It is an audience that Ron Paul did not successfully reach. It looks like Rand is becoming successful in reaching new audiences.

So, we should stop looking at the front man and start to look at how it will help the cause.

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Yes, if we don't expand the

Yes, if we don't expand the audience than we are only "preaching to the choir" and will stay in this little bubble of ours for ever. We need our message in the main stream. Besides, the more air time Rand takes up...the less airtime some other schmuck will get.

I'd watch Hannity more often

I'd watch Hannity more often if they had him roll in on a stone age car shouting "Yabba Dabba Doo" because at least then my intelligence wouldnt be insulted.

http://zeninthecar.com/2013/01/03/is-that-a-boehner-in-your-...

Shamnity is a pitchman

for the zionist war-mongering vermin that have greatly contributed to our certain demise by his support for:

-4 Trillion dollars worth of wars based on lies (and that number is still growing)

-Hundreds of billions of dollars on the DHS, TSA, and other thug agencies whoose sole purpose is to make war on the citizen sheep and steal their freedoms as well.

-Trillions of dollars in defense contracts to feed the MIC based on a phantom war on terror...a hoax.

-Billions and billions of dollars to rogue nations such as Israel, Pakistan and Egypt.

-Billions of dollars for kick backs to Shamnity's buddies in the special interest...such as Blackwater, haliburton and such

-Not to mention the zionist controlled Federal Reserve that has devalued our money, costing us purchasing power....i.e. the inflation tax.

-and much more.

Shamnity is a liar and a fraud. Shamnity should be hung by his testicles...which are likely being held in a box in Murdoch's office along with many other sets of gonads.

Bastards.

Indeed

As I explained to my father when there were Ron Paul people within the Occupy movement trying to make the small government case though "you've got to speak to the unconverted to make converts" My father was worried that RP would even aknowledge occupy as anything but a bunch of dirty smelly hippies. I made the point that at least someone was trying to deprogram those kids that had been bathed in socialism since day one. At least someone was trying. Is that really a bad thing? He finally had to admit that thos RP supporters were doing exactly the right thing and that his limbaugh/hannity aquired opinion was really counterproductive to conservatism. Rand is doing the same thing here, he is preaching to the unconverted masses and trying to change minds while the counter propoganda is relatively light between election cycles.

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Serious Person

"We took entitlements off the table. Entitlements are where two-thirds of the spending is. If you're not gonna look at entitlements, you're not even a serious person and you shouldn't even show up or even be paid for work."

Uh, Rand. Didn't you endorse Mitt "I won't cut one penny of medicare/medicaid/social security" Romney?

Get over it.

Get over it.

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uh NO!
rand said he supported romney but never endorsed.
he endorsed his father.

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

Rand is a bit wrong on entitlement spending

If you remove the entitlements that are paid for, social security and medicare, the Defense budget takes up 2 thirds of the entire US budget.

Not entirely wrong in his statement, but a bit misleading.

Dipping into social security to prop up the fat and unaudited defense budget would not be a good idea.

I'd say your critique of Rand

I'd say your critique of Rand also applies to your own statement. You aren't entirely wrong in your statement, but a bit misleading.

Social security and medicare aren't "paid for" in the sense that they are self funded. The are "paid for" in the sense that a portion of the population fund what they receive back, but the money to fund what these programs owe isn't there and thus benefits will need to be cut or the money taxed/borrowed to cover the difference.

I sincerely doubt Rand wants to take from SS for the defense budget, but I do think he'd be willing to reduce benefits to better match what is actually collected & maybe even free us from the terrible programs eventually.

I don't know the full stats on medicare

But social security will continue to pay for itself into the year 2043. Raising the retirement age slightly by 2 years would easily be enough to forward that to over 50 years down the road. What social security takes in and spends is roughly equal. It is the politicians who decide to place that money into general revenue, as though it is theirs to play with.

If I remember correctly, some of the revenue brought in is also used to buy government bonds, basically to help prop up the burgeoning debt.

Have you seen the spending curve on defense spending in the last 20 years? It's downright frightening.

If we axed medicare and social security programs while leaving defense, we would become a defacto Military State. I hardly think that would be a good idea. It is certainly what John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Lindsay Graham and the other Neo-Cons are pushing for.

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They miss it

There's a good article on the collapsereport on how it is the huge shift of able bodied people onto disability rolls that is one of the major reasons we have an "entitlement problem" not social security which should be self funded and payout according to how much you put in (we have too many collecting who NEVER paid in and THAT should be changed.

We also encourage child births from those on welfare (so they get section 8 free housing in mansions) while discouraging it in our upper tier college students (who are worked to near death)

Finally nothing about the changing demographics of America which make us more and more a third world broken society with violence, rapes, and crime, and all the huge costs for prisons and cops (and the ridiculous TSA budget and sending every cop a shiny new M-4 and a hulking MRAP)

sad but true

Your post makes me think of a cousin of mine. She is in her 40's, morbidly obese, and spent a couple decades in and out of school/convents/mom's house. She finally found a decent job, had a gastric bypass done & family thought she was getting it together...nope. Left her job after about 2 years, told me it qualified her to get a house for a dollar and loans for more school. Borrowed to go after a master's degree, then a few months later tells me quite happily, "I qualified for permanent disability!!"

My dad is a family practitioner (I'm in medical school intending the same) and he's constantly venting about people who get on permanent disability who shouldn't have even been considered. For things like carpal tunnel, poor vision, bipolar disorder, etc... It may be to paternal for my medical school professors, but I plan on doing like he does. He told a man with poor vision that he has blind patients that work. He told a semi-driver who wasn't allowed to drive a truck anymore b/c of his high risk of a heart attach behind the wheel that he's give him 3-6 months of disability to let him retrain at a community college to learn a trade that better fits him. Of course these people just go to a different doctor and get permanent disability from them. :(

Good job Rand, but

please don't regain my trust and flush it back down the drain with a dumb vote two days later. Please stay consistent with this kind of mentality and keep preaching the truth

hannity is worse than a crooked car salesman.

He props up and sells a known piece of sh|t for everything that he can take, then deeply apologizes after the sell, and 'wishes' he could do something about it.

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True,

although I don't see Hannity selling Rand. I see him grabbing onto Rand's coat-tails.

Absolutely

Both of them are using the other one. Since most of us liberty floks refuse to watch Hannity or his types now though I have to think Rand is gettign more bang for his buck.

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Agreed egapele

btw, I should have noted in my above post that I was referring to mitt, not rand.

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Why do I feel like the mark in the middle of a 3 man con?

Rand's brother-in-law is the campaign manager for the senior Senator in KY, who brokered this deal with Harry Reid and Obama - the deal that Rand voted against, and that he says was bad for the country.

Rand's brother-in-law said about this deal that he has never been more proud of a "boss" than he was the day Congress passed this monstrosity.

That means Rand's brother-in-law is prouder of Mitch than he ever was of Ron Paul.

At Thanksgiving, do they all sit around the table and have a big laugh about this?

Who is telling the truth. Benton is supposedly still on the Payroll of the RAND PAC. Jesse Ventura said that politics is like professional wrestling, but this is ridiculous. One thing is certain - they've got all the bases covered.

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

Benton isn't his brother in

Benton isn't his brother in law. Benton is married to Rand's niece, not sister.