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Propylene Glycol; prescribed by my Ophthalmologist

So I had a full eye exam yesterday including the dialation of my pupils. My vision had actually improved over the last 2-3 years which I can confidently attribute to my change in diet (Vegan) since two years ago and the products I consume. I went from 20/40 vision and wearing nighttime glasses and reading glasses to 20/20 or better with no prescription for any glasses or contacts or reading glasses. However, due to some dry eye issues I have dealt with for years, my Ophthalmologist recommended I use Systane, which includes as it's active ingredient Propylene Glycol @ roughly 6% (if I recall correctly).

Please check out the link I've provided for the Material Safety Data Sheet concerning Propylene Glycol and the direct information below regarding its other toxic effects on humans...I think I'll pass Doc!
This is just another example of our Healthcare system needing to be renamed Sickcare!

Special Remarks on other Toxic Effects on Humans:
Acute Potential Health Effects: Skin: May cause mild skin irritation. It may be absorbed through the skin and cause systemic
effects similar to those of ingestion. Eyes: May cause mild eye irritation with some immediate, transitory stinging, lacrimation,
blepharospasm, and mild transient conjunctival hyperemia. There is no residual discomfort or injury once it is washed
away. Inhalation: May cause respiratory tract irritation. Ingestion: It may cause gastrointestinal tract irritation. It may affect
behavior/central nervous system(CNS depression, general anesthetic, convulsions, seizures, somnolence, stupor, muscle
contraction or spasticity, coma), brain (changes in surface EEG), metabolism, blood (intravascular hemolysis, white blood
cells - decreased neutrophil function), respiration (respiratory stimulation, chronic pulmonary edema, cyanosis), cardiovascular
system(hypotension, bradycardia, arrhythmias, cardiac arrest), endocrine system (hypoglycemia), urinary system (kidneys),
and liver. Chronic Potential Health Effects: Skin: Prolonged or repeated skin contact may cause allergic contact dermatitis.
Ingestion: Prolonged or repeated ingestion may cause hyperglycemia and may affect behavior/CNS (symptoms similar to that
of acute ingestion). Inhalation: Prolonged or repeated inhalation may affect behavior/CNS (with symptoms similar to ingestion),
and spleen.

For those of you who have used other eye drops, you'll know that before they absorb into the eye there is drainage into the nasal cavities and then into the throat, where it becomes ingested (even if in small amounts), without much ability to reject the drainage at all.

https://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927239

Peace and Love first...but question everything!

I also have attached the link for another chemical compound found in the other eye drop prescribed for use (Refresh Optive)...see below.

http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9923316

***I was also asked if I wanted to take "Restasis"...not! Check out the MSDS on the main ingredient: Cyclosporine.

http://www.cellsignal.com/support/msds/9973_MSDS.pdf




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you are confusing

an individual preparation of systane with 0.4% propylene glycol vs an MSDS of a 100% propylene glycol there is a 250% difference in concentration.

Why don't you experiment yourself.

Lemon Juice has pH of about 2 and is about 5% Citric Acid Here is the MSDS for Citric Acid
http://www.hmdb.ca/system/metabolites/msds/000/000/065/origi...

Get a Pitcher full of water, two liters. and place ONE DROP of lemon juice in it. now mix it well, and put ONE DROP of that solution in your eye.

See what happens. No, you will not need to call a Hazmat or go to the local ER.

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Do what you want in S A and in S B. Yes, your activity determines each sphere's fate to the degree it will. Truth needn't enforcement to stand: The only thing S B needs to continue and thrive is: no enforcement from nonS B; what this post is, education; and you.

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explain?...

to what are you referring to as pseudo-science?

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the pseudoscience

is strong with this one.

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E-cigs...

the more I think about it, how perfectly convenient that such a "product" comes along to spark furry in the tobacco industry to make it seem as though they are the cutting edge of liberation from cigarettes...when in actuality they are just another marketing scheme to profit off people who cannot simply put the damn stick down, whatever it is and push away from sickcare in the process. Quit feeding the lie that you look smarter or are putting your health first by giving more money away to the same ideal and marketers of your prior undertaking.

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You don't work for big tobacco now do u? : )

Propylene Glycol is an ingredient in e-cigarettes, which is under attack by big tobacco and the puppet organization called the FDA.

it's not like it gets absorbed

It just sits on your eyes and acts as a lube...

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please prove your statement...

your eyes also are attached by optic nerves...tell me the barrier between the back of your eye and the front is not permeable and how you know this.

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good fat & quality salt?

contrary to mainstream propaganda, fat and salt are GOOD for us!

salt specifically, is VITAL for blood - sweat - TEARS - MUCOUS - and sperm production/maintenance.

how CON-venient for FDA and BIG PHAMA to demonize fat & salt..

its a big fat profitable lie.

i see this is an old thread..

got an update for us??

good stuff

they have been putting it in Mountain Dew since like forever. But in your eyes...maybe it just makes them sting causing you to create tears to get rid of it! Really, the drops might provide some immediate relief if you don't get the side effects. Saline is likely cheaper and might help enough. However, a better solution is to fix the cause of the problem so you have lasting results. I see plenty of people have already made good suggestions that way.

confusing with a different chemical

The bad thing in mt dew is brominated vegetable oil.

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been drinking Mt Dew for decades

and until relatively recently it had it in it. It probably still does in some places. It does still contain orange juice. I keep expecting them to remove it!

I understand Gatorade recently took the brominated vegetable oil out so Mountain Dew can't be far behind.

Isnt propylene glycol

Isnt propylene glycol antifreeze? You know the car fluid that they reccomend not to let your animals drink because its poison? I do have to say though that eliminating animal products from your diet is unlikely to improve vision..otherwise meat eaters such as myself would have poor vision...I have had 20/20 vision my entire life(actually I think slightly better according to my last test) and I eat plenty of animal products.

that is ethylene glycol

propylene glycol is food grade. both are used as anti-freeze.

sounds like they're listing

sounds like they're listing every possibly complication to avoid being sued down the road, not that the drug is harmful.

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The best way to hydrate your eyes is to drink water.

Hydrate your eyes from the inside out, unless you have fluid restrictions related to renal or cardiac issues. You will know when you are sufficiently hydrated when your urine is clear or slightly yellow.

Here is a list of all available lubricating eye drops with their ingredients listed. Choose a better alternative here.

Consumer guide to eye lubricants:

Over-the-counter artificial tears, gels, ointments, sprays and specialty prescription-only lubricants for dry eye
http://www.dryeyezone.com/encyclopedia/lubricants.html

Steve, you are close.

You are right, drink water. But "dry eye" is a break down of the lipid layer. You need to eat good oils, too. Those drops are "bread and butter" for Pharma, and wholly unnecessary. If it is immediate relief you seek, saline is just fine. To get to the heart of the matter, you need to hydrate and oil your innards. There is no reason to spend all that money.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

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Yes, fishy. You're right. I see why you chose your name!

Fish, coconut, and olive oils are great. Avocados, too!

At least your eyes won't freeze

now that you are putting antifreeze in them!

If you can afford it, I'd suggest a visit to a Naturapathic Doctor. Depending on where you live, it may not be covered by insurance. I saw a great Naturapathic Doctor this year, and it was well worth the out of pocket cost for me. They take a big picture view and try to find causes of problems rather than giving you medications to cover up symptoms. They might suggest nutritional changes that you can make.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

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"I'd suggest a visit to a

"I'd suggest a visit to a Naturopathic Doctor."

Fantastic advice! Right on.

Resist the temptation to feed the trolls.

As long as we are talkling eyes

Glaucoma - awful, blinding disease. There are lots of drops, and some pills, a couple of surgeries available to try to slow the progression long enough that you outlive it. They offer no cure. All treatment is aimed at controlling the intra-ocular pressure, it is all they can do. But the vision loss is due to nerve damage. They don't have any drops or pills or surgeries to prevent the nerve damage.
But there is an herb that protects it. It is illegal, and the propaganda machine likely has made your doctor unwilling to even look into, let alone recommend, the most appropriate treatment for this disease.

This is the article that got my posting privileges revoked:
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/2013/05/12/18212165-dr-stan-...

What's the prognosis?

Is there a chance if you baby your eyes for a bit, whatever's wrong will get a chance to heal and it can take over on its own? I'd risk something goofy for a short time for that case, not so much if it's lifelong.

I need to deal with an eyelid that didn't heal right after the flu and I need to figure out how to keep my eye from getting damaged until it heals so I may have a selfish motive in wanting the discussion to expand into considering solutions that wouldn't be too risky if only used for a short time.

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Its hard to belive the Eugenisists at the FDA would approve it.

Propylene glycol is not naturally occurring in nature to the best of my knowledge. glycerol is, but the 2 are not the same.

This is approved for use in foods and found in food flavorings.

For me, if its not widely found in nature, I avoid it like the plague.

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Plague is found in nature..

Plague is found in nature.. as are Lead, Aluminum, Floride, Chromium, arsenic, coumadin, digoxin,

FDA labels it GRAS

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Then don't go see the

Then don't go see the doctor... I find it hard to believe that you are dropping $60-200 per visit to the optometrist/ophthalmologist to ignore their advice... Or are you using Medicare/Medicaid/employer provided health insurances money?

Here is one data point... Showing efficacy for what your complaint was when you voluntarily sought out the advise of the doctor.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19366323

I didnt drop any money...

I have insurance through my employer AND it was simply a routine eye exam...I mentioned the dryness and then my post comes into play...I tend to ignore the advice they give lately...three months ago I came down with Shingles (which took 3 weeks to dissipate) and refused 3 of the 4 medications prescribed and am now fine...AND I didn't seek any advise from the Ophthalmologist...I went in to have my eyes checked (routine exam) - and they are more healthy now than 3 years ago...thank you for the advise however.

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Why a routine exam if you

Why a routine exam if you aren't following the advise... You are so good at managing your health then stop taking appointment slots that could be used by someone else... Again... you spent someone elses money for this visit that you didn't care what the results were. The Oppthalmologist (who is a surgeon by the way, so most likely it was an optometrist). I get that you may feel that you and/or your employer paid into the insurance so you need to get your value back by doing the routine visits...

As for shingles.. No doubt you would have gotten better without any treatment... yet you sought treatment and then ignored the advise... Which medication did you actually take? The antiviral or the pain reliever (My bet is the pain reliever...)

It's not like the Physician grabbed you off the street and said you need to take the medications because you have shingles. You sought their expert opinion about the rash, they offered it, you ignored it... This is your right, but don't bash on the physician when they give you their best answer to the question YOU asked...

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