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Montana Legislator Proposes Constitutional Amendments on Gun Rights

Montana Legislator Proposes Constitutional Amendments on Gun Rights

By TRISTAN SCOTT Missoulian
11 hours ago

COLUMBIA FALLS – A state lawmaker in the Flathead Valley is proposing amendments to the U.S. Constitution to offset the effects of new firearms restrictions, which if passed, he says will erode civil liberties and infringe on state’s rights.

Rep. Jerry O’Neil, R-Columbia Falls, says he will work with the Montana Legislature in an effort to adopt two new constitutional amendments to the U.S. Constitution to protect firearm ownership and national sovereignty. He said the issue is pressing due to the call for gun restrictions in the wake of last month’s school shootings in Newtown, Conn.

He is most concerned about a proposal by U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., that would require Americans to register their guns, and would ban the sale, transfer, importation or manufacturing of military-style weapons.

“Historically, the registration of firearms is the first step toward taking them away,” O’Neil said. “I believe it is a precursor to major overhauls to the Second Amendment.”

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If this is a political manipulation

He and many connected with it will be responsible for the spark that set this country on fire.

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rp4pres

Take a break from that who would pave the roads thread for a while. We [I] need your wise words on more important things, such as this!

Whether or not this is political manipulation...either way, you are right.

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I didn't have time last night to read over the link, I was busy

lol.

I think it's potentially dangerous, whether well intentioned or not. The switching of words is cosmetic.. They'd just have a big argument over the definition of "between" and interpret in the same way.

"“The president … shall have the power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, subject to this Constitution, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur.”

I think this would make a difference except the Bill of Rights supersedes all other documents. One can't make treaties that infringe on those.

I think it's fine the way it is. We just need to hold them to it in the way the Founding Fathers intended.

Here's my take on why it's dangerous: If he tries this, and it fails miserably, he would've effectively shown every douche lead state in the union that they have overwhelming support within in one another and a chance to amend it to their liking.

Sometimes it's best strategically not to stir the pot. I don't have a problem fighting but in this case, it's "pick your battle" for me.

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I need to and thank you for your kind words. lol

The whole object of that guy putting up that thread I believe was because he felt he was losing the argument it seems. He placed it up under the pretense that we would be able to finish "our conversation" and he has yet to speak to me on it. lol

I think this because he admitted he doesn't know what the answer is lol. (Palm meet face)

Anyway, thanks.

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lol

I know Steve personally from one of our RP meetups (in fact, he actually coordinated one of the meetings). He's a very good kid, but like many who are youthful, he needs a few more years to understand dynamics :-)

He does raise interesting scenarios, but for him to believe that it is his way or no way, that will never solve problems. I tried to explain to him that belittling others is not productive, but, much like Granger, he has some personal point to prove, lol. What they HAVEN'T learned is that the only ones who ARE right 100% are folks like me and you, lol ;-)

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LMAO

Hilarious. :)

Yeah, I agree, youth sometimes doesn't take the time to look at all of the angles.. I was very guilty of that in my early years too.. Lean forward, head first, run like hell!!

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Isn't Montana The State

that legalized pot then set back and let the feds arrest law-abiding citizens for growing it? Isn't that where the sheriff and state officials went to tour the legal pot grower nursery and then did nothing when that guy got 60 years for growing? Just asking.

skippy

The only amendment needed is the one that states that

Any member of Congress who attempts to pass legislation, or any President who attempts an Executive Order, or any Adminstrator of any Federal Agency who attempts to pass an Act which abrogates any section of the Constitution, may be arrested by any citizen(s) at any time for treason, with a trial date set no later than one month of his/her arrest.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

executive orders are valid if

executive orders are valid if its troop movements, but that is it.

Fantastic!

Amen!

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The Montana Constitution is grounded in the 2nd Amendment.

Montana Constitution

ARTICLE II
DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
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Section 3. INALIENABLE RIGHTS. All persons are born free and have certain inalienable rights. They include the right to a clean and healthful environment and the rights of pursuing life’s basic necessities, enjoying and defending their lives and liberties, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and seeking their safety, health and happiness in all lawful ways. In enjoying these rights, all persons recognize corresponding responsibilities.
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Section 12. RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons.

Howdy Steve

Which side of MT are you in? The Mountain side or the badlands?

I'm from the Mountain side.

I think I posted that same article from the Montana Constitution somewhere yesterday.

Take care

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I'm on the Res. near Flathead Lake.

The Flathead and Missions are still jaw droppers.

Gorgeous place, Steve

I'm in Kommiefornia collecting FRN's atm, but have some land overlooking the Gallatin Valley about 4 hours south of you where we are going to start building after the thaw this year. Walls of mountains in every direction.

You're about to get some more of that Global Warming show up there this weekend, better get your sun bathing gear out eh? haha

Take care up there, SteveMT

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Steve and Mr. Kotter -

I take it you have also seen Montana's Chuck Baldwin's latest article? http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/archives/5345

Ladies and gentlemen, whatever the consequences might be, and whatever anyone else does or doesn’t do, I am prepared to become an outlaw over this issue! I don’t know how to say it any plainer: I will not register my firearms, and I will not surrender my firearms. Period. End of story. It’s not just a saying with me: when my guns are outlawed, I will be an outlaw!

It is time RIGHT NOW for every American citizen to make up his or her mind on this issue.

There are many laws, which I personally find repugnant and even unconstitutional, to which I grudgingly submit. For example, while I very much understand, and even philosophically agree with, those who refuse to pay income taxes, I pay income taxes. Even though I believe the income tax to be unconstitutional, onerous, and maybe even nefarious, I have not drawn my line in the sand on that issue. I haven’t drawn a line in the sand on the requirement for all sorts of government licenses, i.e., marriage licenses, driver’s licenses, CCW permits, Social Security cards, etc., even though I personally believe that many requirements for licensure stretch the boundaries of legitimate government. And, again, even though I understand those who refuse to take them, I have a marriage license, a driver’s license, a CCW permit, and a Social Security card. There are many issues over which I am willing to be annoyed, but for the sake of perceived Christian testimony and/or perceived good citizenship, I reluctantly and grudgingly comply. But on the issue of taking away my right to keep and bear arms–including a semi-automatic rifle–I absolutely refuse to comply!

My line in the sand is drawn here!

Make no mistake about it: it is not just semi-automatic rifles that these gun grabbers are after. Ultimately, they want to take all of our guns. We either stop them now or there will be no stopping them at all.

It is no hyperbole to say that this attempt by people such as Barack Obama and Dianne Feinstein to make outlaws out of law-abiding citizens for simply exercising our right to keep and bear arms is the most important political battle of our lifetimes! I am not exaggerating when I say that the future of freedom and liberty for our children and for our country–not to mention the future of our own personal lives and freedom–hang in the balance.

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Thanks for that story. Appreciated.

I don't think that they will come here first to confiscate our guns. There are supposedly 28 guns/person in this state. We just crossed over the one million mark in population last year, so that's a bunch. There are also something like 12,500 FFL dealers here, more per capita I believe than any other state.

That's fantastic - 28 guns per person???

I though Texas had a lot!

I love Montana!! We seriously thought of moving out there, but once TSA started, we thought differently because our family is all in the midwest and we can't drive because of my back issues, and we don't want to fly.

Out of curiosity, what do you feel about registering your guns? I mean, won't they know who to go to when they want to take away the semi-auto's and the the rest of them? We don't believe in registering and you may not either, but the reason I ask is aren't the 12,500 FFL dealers registering people at the time of sale?

Rev

Alot the the FFL dealers make and deal in custom parts and surplus parts too. Those don't need registering...

But yeah, if we don't want to go to jail then we gotta do the background checks with the Feds. Not the same as having to register exactly, but you are still on a list the Feds have when you buy one.

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I hadn't yet

thanks for the update!

We know a bunch of the sheriff's up here and they aren't going for this bullsh*t. Many of them have our back on this. Some of the imported city cops around a few of the bigger cities in Montana with the slick hairdo's and steroided bodies are another story though

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Well, I guess if worse comes to worse,

the rest of us 2nd Amendment lovers will come to Montana and we'll all defend that state for freedom. Then they'll probably send in the drone warfare...

Well Damn

We all know he will never get that to happen in the US Congress. Our Bill of Rights is quite correct the way it is. He probably knows this as well. It's like B. Clinton saying "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." But what I like about it is this.

He is on the side of the 2nd Amendment without a doubt. Methods of protecting it have varied opinions, as with many things many of us here discuss. But here is a guy that has a grand distaste for Feinstein's bill and the 2A needs as many as possible.

We will find the right way to win this fight in the end, but no doubt 'tis a fight we are in.

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Whether he is Liberty or not

Whether he is Liberty or not does not mean that he is thinking correctly. Like every other politician and vote, this move can be our undoing.

Hands off!

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I agree

Hands Off, no doubt. I don't think he will get his hands on it regardless, but I will take him as someone who will vote no on any gun ban legislation that comes along.

What I AM worried about his Feinstein getting HER hands on it. The far off left sob's are too many battles on Capital Hill lately.

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Mr. Kotter

"What I AM worried about his Feinstein getting HER hands on it."

Exactly. And others.

"The far off left sob's are too many battles on Capital Hill lately."

Republicrats. One and the same, in a nwo objective.

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Points

all well taken, PAF. I don't disagree with anything you've said, I guess I'm trying to find a little bit of rainbow in the hailstorm, but you're right, hands off are two words that sum it up well.

I also feel the same way about Republicrats in general. I've posted a few times here about the R being the Whig party of our era, but rather than just disappear they merged the congress into a complete body of progressive, socialist powermongers.

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Keep your GRIMY hands off of the Bill of Rights!

Another example of a leftist nwo socialist. I don't give a crap what letter is before or after his name!

This is another attempt to screw sh|t up and apologize after the fact and cry that nothing can be done!

READ THE DAMNED THING AND HONOR IT!

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you idiots can't be trusted

to amend the Constitution. will you even read it before it's voted on?
here's what you do, jerry, you leave the second amendment as it is. the only folks confused by it are you a-holes.
i am getting tired of you parasites behaving as IF you have any SAY in the matter.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

actually i have a better idea jerry

affirm the second amendment in your legislature.
assemble your state militia.
remove federal agents from montana.

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul