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Is anyone actually AWARE of WHO will be shooting WHO when the "SHTF?"

"It's Almost Time For The Great Culling!" ~ If you're not aware of where this quote comes from... I suggest you ask around.

There's a lot of people on both sides of this "debate" that don't know what's REALLY going on. If they did... they would not be getting ready to kill each other.

AND IN THIS CORNER:

TSA, DHS, CIA, FBI possibly some Chinese, German and Russian troops.

VS:

Patriots, Cops, Military & Some folks who are just finding out the constitution says SOMETHING about guns and that we're SUPPOSED to have a guaranteed right to bear them.

Let's get ready to RUMBLEEEEEE!

I should probably point out that this is not a sporting event...

Please keep in mind there is likely to be a huge drone force in a bunker somewhere... GPS coordinates already punched in and ready to go. This drone force will kill AS MANY PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES AS POSSIBLE. I estimate 10 million dead in the first three days. It will be COMPLETELY AUTOMATED.

Now I'm a peaceful guy. I would almost rather die... ALMOST... rather die then actually have to take a life... to be responsible for that... being someone who is aware of my immortality I don't think death is really such a bad thing.

HOWEVER... That being said: For those of you - on both sides... because we obviously know this board is monitored like crazy by the PAWNS of the PTB such as the FBI, CIA and TSA and the "brownshirts" of the DHS...

Can I offer a suggestion?

Let's indict and prosecute those who would OTHERWISE just sit on the sidelines with a bowl of popcorn and watch us kill each other!

EVERYONE IN THIS CORNER:

TSA, DHS, CIA, FBI, Patriots, Cops, Military, German, Russian and Chinese Troops (if someone wouldn't mind translating I'd appreciate it)

GO AND ARREST EVERYONE IN THIS CORNER:

JUDGES, ATTORNEYS, BANKSTERS & POLITICIANS

...might as well utilize what's left of my free speech while I still have it. Now please keep in mind... Mr Death Squad guy... if you plan on paying me a visit because some Judges, Attorneys, Banksters & Politicians payed you to put a bullet in my head...

There's a DRONE that has YOUR number too... they aren't gonna need death squads anymore once the rest of us are dead.

Of course if ya'll don't want to kill each other you can always just send me a PM asking me "How do I deal with this piece of paper in my mailbox before things get out of hand."

I'm always of course available to mediate between both sides, whatever the sides happen to be comprised of... as long as Mr Death Squad guy doesn't show up...

Blessings :)



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MODS-- WHY WAS VINCEABLE KICKED OUT?? Was it this post??

He has been here for a VERY LONG TIME... and if it was this post... It makes not sense, as the thread, basically is just asking a real common sense question! (was he even given a warning, for his infraction?) I may be in the dark as to what his crime was that was so bad, that he had to go...so does anyone know?

I'm sorry but...

one day we are going to learn that the military and police are not all Liberty loving Ron Paul voters. This is pure foolery "they wont risk that façade by doing something rash knowing a good chunk of the Military may go AWOL against them."

Tell that to the people at Ruby Ridge and Waco when they were waiting for this outstanding citizens brigade to come and rescue them. How about the soldiers who fired on them, why didn't they drop their weapons? Because their state loving parasites just like everyone else.

It's GI Joe and badge worship, please stop it as you make us look like NEO-CONS. I judge every human being at their own worth, where they choose to get a paycheck (what being a cop or the military is), does NOT MAKE YOU A HERO or bastion of Liberty.

You do understand the National Guard is practicing a drill against "2nd amendment believers" today right?

Please wake up to reality, there are lots of boys in blue and green that are lovers of the state.

You pulled my quote out of context:

"This is not going to be a shooting war but a battle of ideologies and we have made great strides. Most every day Americans don't trust the gov. anymore from all the NSA and Snowden fallout. The gov. on the other hand must at all times look like the good protective democracy and they wont risk that façade by doing something rash knowing a good chunk of the Military may go AWOL against them. They even failed miserably at gun control and the Global Warming Agenda continues to stall."

Much has changed since WACO and Ruby Ridge, the spread of info by means of the internet and its effect on the national psyche being one of them. Waco was possible because the people sitting at home were led to believe a dangerous religious cult was threatening children and a benevolent force of government was protecting them. We did not have the tools to wage an ideological war that we have now.

Let look at Sandy Hook. Even common people who have never before questioned the official story were calling BS on it and the subsequent agenda push failed miserably. 911 is still in the spotlight and as the public become more suspicious of the government, all it takes is one google or youtube search to result in a total paradigm shift.

The government knows in a purely tactical sense they could wipe out any militia group with their AR-15's so why are they so hell bent on taking them away? Its because without a means to fight back, the gov can quietly slip us into tyranny while maintaining that we are a happy democracy. But with guns they cannot do that without things getting very messy and the ideological shift will turn against them.

The most profound ideological victory so far has been Cannabis. WA and CO have open pot shops and are local cops busting anyone on federal charges? No. In fact, Obama now looks like a confused idiot on the subject and the DEA wont risk going in without looking like complete tyrants and destroying any shred of credibility they still have. No stoners needed to fire guns or incite violence. Voters just found a way to check-mate the system in two states and now the dam is breaking across the country.

This same strategy must be applied to other facets of Liberty as well. Sitting around collecting ammo and thinking about that last Alamo stand is not going to do anything productive for us.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

"I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society

but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." Thomas Jefferson

Here is what to do here and now:

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Don't forget the mass

Don't forget the mass destruction caused by hackers. There is a whole underworld of 15+ year old disillusioned computer geniuses that already know how to hijack satellites and have taken over drones in the past (remember the Navy drone that crashed in the south?). These people are playing it smart now because they don't want to ruin their lives but if the gloves come off and there is nothing to lose we will see cyber attacks the likes of which have never before been experienced.

I highly doubt Russian troops will come all the way over here to fight to uphold the US gov. Putin isn't exactly our biggest fan and he knows mass civil unrest could unseat us as a hyper-power which would greatly expand his sphere of influence.

This is not going to be a shooting war but a battle of ideologies and we have made great strides. Most every day Americans don't trust the gov. anymore from all the NSA and Snowden fallout. The gov. on the other hand must at all times look like the good protective democracy and they wont risk that façade by doing something rash knowing a good chunk of the Military may go AWOL against them. They even failed miserably at gun control and the Global Warming Agenda continues to stall. Those who have been entrusted to fulfill a millennia long agenda are failing and are scrambling to push it forward but there desperation is quickly betraying their caution in the information age. Humanity has proven to be stronger than they thought.

People are also becoming more aware on every front, little cracks in the dam are starting to leak at every turn and its only a matter of time before critical mass is reached...

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Many will be shot

trying to feed their children.

That is why backyard gardens

That is why backyard gardens are just as important to Liberty as our guns.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

suspicious

paranoid much?!?!?!!

Wow!
You said -
Don't forget the mass destruction caused by hackers. There is a whole underworld of 15+ year old disillusioned computer geniuses that already know how to hijack satellites and have taken over drones in the past (remember the Navy drone that crashed in the south?). These people are playing it smart now because they don't want to ruin their lives but if the gloves come off and there is nothing to lose we will see cyber attacks the likes of which have never before been experienced.
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THIS group of hackers is your biggest fear when your government(federal AND local) practices thuggery weekly??

I actually would love to know some of these hackers. They're smart rebels . . like, ohhh who was that guy??? Jefferson, Washington?? They may save the republic one day.

NO CLUE you have

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

In the context of an open war

In the context of an open war situation of a people against a tyrannical government hackers are able to cause mass destruction of gov. infrastructure surveillance and control systems. I worked with a guy in my last job that knew quite a few and I was actually shocked (and rather amused) as to what they had the ability to do and the level of sophistication of their operations ie taking over surveillance systems to watch the Olympics or rerouting satellites for signal relays. The piece was written in support of the hackers not against them. I was basically saying, the fighting will be done more with keyboards than guns.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

you dont have a clue do you?

you said -

AND IN THIS CORNER:
TSA, DHS, CIA, FBI possibly some Chinese, German and Russian troops.
VS:
Patriots, Cops, Military & Some folks who are just finding out the constitution says SOMETHING about guns and that we're SUPPOSED to have a guaranteed right to bear them.

heres how it will really be -

TSA, DHS, CIA, FBI, Cops at all levels, military, possibly some Chinese, German and Russian troops.
VS:
Patriots, Some folks who are just finding out the constitution says SOMETHING about guns and that we're SUPPOSED to have a guaranteed right to bear them.

You might get me to agree that not ALL of the military will be shooting us, but for cryin out loud, how many more "cops shooting people" or "cops overreacting" do you have to see before you wake up?!?!?!
cops shoot us NOW!!!! They shoot old people, taze pregnant women NOW, WITHOUT an excuse!!

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

I don't think so!

You have it all wrong. You are dreaming when you say:

"TSA, DHS, CIA, FBI possibly some Chinese, German and Russian troops.

VS:

Patriots, Cops, Military & Some folks who are just finding out the constitution says SOMETHING about guns and that we're SUPPOSED to have a guaranteed right to bear them."

Ron Paul got more military donations than the other candidates combined in two consecutive election cycles. BUT that does not mean the military is on OUR side. They were still a minority of service men by far, who donated. Most military personnel will kill whom ever there government tells them to.

Some cops have stated that they will not follow orders to confiscate arms from Americans. These same cops will agree that pot smokers or other "law breakers" shouldn't have guns though. In other words they will still kill you for your gun if there local judge, signs an order to do so.

NO SIR. You cannot divide the possible factions by job description. In the end it will be the federal government, local government, the military and all their subsidiaries against anyone who opposes their rule. And most Americans will support their government if for nothing else but to secure next months assistance check.

In the very end it will be all those mentioned against YOU because no one will come to your aid and risk their jobs, lives, car, house, ATV, Super Bowl tickets, McDonald's hamburger, etc...

Isa 57:1 "The righteous perish, and no man takes it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come."

Many are ready to fight and kill in a GRAND battle for their perceived freedoms but how many are ready to die the lonely death that surely awaits? How many are ready to die for their principles knowing that those who kill them are already on their way to the next nonconformist's house?

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Er... no, not really. But if that ever happens

Er... no, not really. But if that ever happens, I assume that on this end, we'll shoot at whoever comes to us with guns and with obvious intentions to use them against us.

If I'm taking names and notes today, it's not so much for SHTF (crossing fingers it won't happen), but rather - in a less pessimistic scenario I'm hoping for - for the charges to push, during their...

TRIALS ... AS THE TRUE TRAITORS.

Right, "Mrs." Feinstein?

Right, "Mrs." Pelosi?

Etc, etc.

Freaking LONG list.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

oh, another swimmer

I'm asking around.

"It's Almost Time For The Great Culling!" ~ If you're not aware of where this quote comes from... I suggest you ask around.

I'm asking around ...here! I have the feeling someone very close by knows.

From where does that quote come?

Dr. Rima Laibow

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When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

No

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Free includes debt-free!

War

Here on this soil has already began, awhile ago. It's a silent one but it's becoming more visible to us who are paying attention anyway. Most are oblivious to it, even many patriots. The idea that foreign troops are also the threat is a distraction from the police state, aka, the domestic army of civilian cops/federal agents built up to fight us on a more formal platform soon. It's also a way for them to intimidate us from revolting. The fact that the LEO's in America already violate the Law of this Land that protects our rights is apparent through their enforcement of unconstitutional statutes/codes, not to mention the heinous stuff many of them do to top it off. Who will be HVT's & who will be considered enemy combatants? They're already here, in our neighborhoods, patrolling the streets, living well in their homes & comfy zones of their guarded offices, they're called politicians/Senators/certain bankers/cops/deputies/feds.

The Fed's have bought these agencies furthermore with military equipment & the evolution of SWAT teams & other tactical units in the police depts/Sheriff's offices has only furthered the issues we face. What the Marine mentioned below about the insurgents is true, we experienced the same crap while in Iraq, especially in 2005 when we were in the Diyala Province. I was Army though, not a Marine. Anyway, be careful about what you listen to & prepare for the worst because it's our job to fight back & so far, we're not doing it.

Stupid post

Call me niave but you don't discuss warfare in an open forum.

It is like you people want an open conflict, which is a lose lose for everyone.

Ideas not weapons win this war.

"The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them." - Mark Twain

If this be treason, make the

If this be treason, make the most of it!

"Show me the government that does not infringe upon anyone's rights, and I will no longer call myself an anarchist." ~Jacob Halbrooks

You probably didn't read it all the way through.

Judging from your comment. If you finish reading it (as almost nobody below this comment did) I think you'll probably correct your assumption.

U.S. Empire is a paper tiger

The U.S. military is a defeated, impotent force more interested in killing themselves than fighting Americans. Socialist military forces are unimaginative, immobile, cumbersome, slow to adapt and poorly motivated. Anyone who thinks the American people can't kick the fuck out of the U.S. military is a fool. Their drones, tanks, planes, etc are totally irrelevant. No anarchistic militia is going to engage such forces in open combat. That isn't how a people's war is fought. Send the troops and cops to confiscate weapons. At the end of the day they will come hope to see their houses burnt down along with any local politicians cooperating. There is no reason to fear.

"Show me the government that does not infringe upon anyone's rights, and I will no longer call myself an anarchist." ~Jacob Halbrooks

Not informed

There is a slight truth to what you say, maybe about 5%, but that is it. The various levels of bureaucracy is where the military is weak. The closer you get to the tip of the spear the more motivation and efficiency there is. Those that actually fight, and are given the ability to make their own decisions are extremely professional. Don't ba an a$$ clown by making blanket statement about things you know nothing about.

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

I gotta agree.

This is the typical American overconfidence... and also an alarming example how little people know about black ops technology. I have a couple contacts pretty high up in the military and I'm told we have NO CLUE of the real firepower of the military.

You can bet they saved the best for last.

Okay you're all busted

for not reading the post all the way through. Pull over. No I don't need a warrant. Now listen please carefully here. I mean this in as loving a way possible as I can put it...

Now everyone here prob saw that clip from the Newsroom where the guy says "We used to aspire to intelligence, we didn't belittle it."

I'm just going to get attacked if I go on but I'm telling you people (notice how I've REALLY been trying hard to not say SHEEP) - I'm telling you now - You're being PAWNED just as bad as the unconsitutional "govt" operatives who are monitoring this thread.

I have no clue why you're all not on the same side. It just baffles me.. I'm serious.

Its because there is no legal mechanism in place to do what you

ask. Now you can stop being baffled.

To do what you suggest would require establishing some kind of justice system parallel to the one the government controls.

And that justice system would have to inspire confidence in the general populace.

VIPR

The out-of-control Transportation Security Administration is past patdowns at airports – now it's checkpoints and roadblocks.

TSA's snakelike VIPR (Visual Intermodal Prevention and Response) teams have been slithering into more and more bus and train stations – and even running checkpoints on highways – never in response to actual threats, but apparently more in an attempt to live up to the inspirational motto displayed at the TSA's air marshal training center since the agency's inception: "Dominate. Intimidate. Control."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/...

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

You guys in the military

are being used against innocent people, and are about to be used against your own people at home. Remember what Kissinger said:
"soldiers are dumb animals to be used for political gain". Your family and friends love you but you are nothing to the government.

I am thinking the entire nation is being set up for civil war over this gun issue, because the only way to defeat America is to set the people at war with each other. The GUN ISSUE is the catalyst meant to divide a nation.

Let us be smarter than those who are attempting to MIND FUCK us all. and this will be global. Stand firm in the Constitution and 2nd amendment. It is your right, and OATH.

The moment an individual

The moment an individual defends himself and is forced to shoot injure a government agent/ troop they will be immediately declared a terrorist. That's how it works - the NDAA of 2012 kicks in and you have no rights. Additionally you are prosecuted in the court of public opinion via the establishment press.

I did three tours in Iraq during my ten years in the Marine Corps. Insurgent forces only fight when it benefits them. Shoot and move, shoot and move. What this does is force the heavy forces to over react via frustration. Unfortunately this causes the occupying forces to "accidentally" kill/injure innocent people. Overseas the American public didn't really care because the collateral damage was not American. But once government forces start smashing a fly with a sledge hammer, thus hurting innocent Americans, even the lemming serfs will react negatively towards government actions. Take the Ruby Ridge incident and compare it to the actions of McVeigh. McVeigh was a murder regardless of the reasons for his actions. He targets innocent people such as the children. Morally that's is wrong and he deserved what he got. But compare that to Ruby Ridge. The government agents violated the rights of the land owner by not having a warrant, not identifying themselves as federal officers. When the land owner and his family defended themselves legally, the federal agents murdered Vickie and her infant son. People were outraged and even the courts ruled against the federal government. Such actions delegitimizes the government.

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."