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The Founding Fathers Were Not Christians

Ron Paul Revolution Radio discussed the book "The book that your church doesn't want you to read" with Santos Bonacci. According to him, the founders were not Christians. They were fleeing it at our founding.

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hahahahahahaha

No. Not hardly.

Is this a catholic website? did i expose it?

title says it.

you got taken to school son

Nice work archer. You know somebody is licking their wounds when their best retort is to call you a spammer. Oliver, you may want to try that deviciveness on a site with less educated folk than those on the Dp. I'll say a prayer for you. No not that you become Christian but that whatever anger is inside you to try and divide us will go away and that your heart is at peace.

Divided?

Is there any better definition of DIVIDED than the "christian" religion? How many corporations do you guys have again? Yea, you heard me. How many CORPORATIONS does the "christian" religion have? You can't answer, you are controlled, you think you go to fairytale hell. Why are you on the DP?

M

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The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

No.7's picture

No one is a true Christian

To be Christian means to be like Christ.

We all fall short of the glory of God.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

will you ever shut up

The God of the universe is not sitting around lamenting that His creation fell short. Use your freaking brain.

M

I read a post from just over a year ago that said:

Somewhere in my travels on this site I saw a reminder that everyone who posts here should be mindful of what they say. Stay humble, professional and so on. With new supporters arriving and MSM looking for spin material, I couldn't agree more.

Care to guess who posted that?

Here's the post I read:
The power of dailypaul.com

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For the win!

+1 Ozark nice comment

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

we try to have a little class around here.

attacking another's belief without stating your own belief is cowardly.
I am a Deist, go ahead and attack me if you wish. but only if you identify what you believe.
and of course allow me the same permission.

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No one can be certain

You do not know that, you are merely speculating.

Instead of attacking fellow Libertarians that are Christians. You should instead attack those who tread on our liberties.

Your time would be better spent trashing Pelosi, Boehner, Reid, Bush, Clinton, Obama, Feinstein...etc than arguing with your own people.

We're all in this thing together. You go not believe in God in your corner and I'll believe in God in my corner. We can agree to disagree on this issue, to be united together on so many other issues.

I'll never "shut up" I have the right to free speech that was "endowed by their(my) Creator" and is "inalienable".

Will you ever respect my Rights?

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Are you certain that no one can be certain?

The problem is that the Bible says that you believe in God but "suppress the truth in unrighteousness." Romans 1.18

Charles Jackson
http://MathIsChristian.wordpress.com Also, read Ron Paul's original staff economist Gary North at http://teapartyeconomist.com/

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That there is what I call a damn good question friend.

+1, However I only truly credit the 4 Gospels of Christ as The Word of God.

It seems crazy to me that the church would accept Paul's 13 letters but not accept the lost Gospels found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Gospel of Judas, Thomas and around 50 other books about Jesus that were undiscovered until the 40's still aren't mentioned by the church.

Sometimes I think God has intervened in my life and given me reason to absolutely believe. Other times I ride those events off as coincidence and subscribe to Deism.

I'm somewhere between Deism and Christianity and I waffle back and forth too often.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

Christians tread on our LIBERTIES

I do believe in God! Well, you should shut up if you are spreading a lie. Exception to the rule was not invented out of thin air.

M

suggestion

Stop breaking your meds in half.

No King but Jesus, no President but Ron Paul

Some Christians do. But,

Some Christians do. But, instead of ragging on Christians as a whole why not embrace those that have a mutual respect for Liberty? You know what I've never see on the Daily Paul is a general Post by a Christian ragging on the Atheist Libertarians for not believing in God and getting on board with us. Chill bro, we're on the same side of this fight.

Live Free or Die Trying

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So do Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Deists, Jews, and Atheists

with your logic.

However neither is a fair statement.

INDIVIDUALS tread on our liberties

Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Judaic, Deistic, Atheist INDIVIDUALS!

Let that sink in.

99 bad apples don't spoil the batch!

It is not very Libertarian to condemn a group of individuals for the actions of few individuals.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

You made a grave error phxarcher87

And don't think I didn't notice you like to shoot arrows. It is in your name, after all.

I always find it fascinating that challenging christianity means you don't believe in God. You assumed I was an atheist. Did you ever stop and think that our founders argued over christianity the same way they argued over CENTRAL BANKS??

Did you read every word of everything you posted? There is conflict. There is diplomatic language being used by those that know your god is a fairytale based on the Sun. Just like every other hero in the bible and history.

No matter what denomination of christianity you are, you are a slave to rome. Nothing you have posted refutes my OP. Central banks, christianity, central banks, christianity.

Don't think I didn't notice you posted quotes from Ben Franklin from a site made by someone who says they are an EXchristian.

Try again, spammer.

M

Edit: Down votes are because I got ya. You slaves thought I was atheist. Wake up. Rome rules you.

'Fairytale based on the Sun'

I think you are making the mistake of assuming that similarities between Christianity and pagan religions means that Christianity is therefore derivative or a copy, a sham, a fraud. The other possibility is that all of these other shadows and expressions of the souls of humanity were fulfilled when the True version of them actually came into history -- Myth became Reality.

Similarly, just because a whole variety of diverse cultures around the world have had stories of Noah's flood and the nephilim does not mean that the Hebrew version in the Bible should be dismissed as just a copy.

I was about to post some of the quotes below, but am glad phxarcher saved me the trouble. :)

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Several certainly were not. However, they were spiritual.

Founding Father Thomas Paine:

“The world is my country,
all mankind are my brethren,
and to do good is my religion.”

"The word of God is the creation we behold and it is in this word, which no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to man."

“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.”

“All the tales of miracles, with which the Old and New Testament are filled, are fit only for impostors to preach and fools to believe.”

Founding Father Benjamin Franklin:

"Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."

Exactly

So the DP is pretty much controlled by whacky christian fundamentalists it does appear. Ohhh, we are all about FREEDOM until it becomes necessary to be ruled by rome. What a friggin' joke man, what a friggin' joke. Yea, this is a liberty website.

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No onecontrols anyone here; we're all a little bit whacky, too.

After 5 years here, you ought to know that by now. You should also know that we're serious about Liberty.

I can honestly say that I

I can honestly say that I have never asked one single person on here if they believe in God or not; why would I? It doesn't matter to me. Why does it bother you if there happen to be a lot, a little or any Christians on this sight. Aren't we all fighting for Liberty? This post is just causing factions and divisions that we don't need. Maybe you're a troll trying to stir the pot a little?

Live Free or Die Trying

Christians Ruled by Rome?

Educate yourself before you speak and you will find less enemies.

They that give up liberty for security deserve neither.

Protesting

Being a protestant, I must protest.

The night is far spent, the day is at hand.
And those who have not heard shall understand.

more God-less libertarian progressive divisiveness....

...from the "I can do as I damn well please" crowd....which is how we got in this fiscal mess....it's called "I am the God of my own universe" theory.

Here it is....personal moral self-restraint, practiced by grown men of extensive self-education and demonstrable benevolent selfless life experience, born of a strong belief in Supreme Being keeping an account of each man's thoughts, words, and deeds; is the Christianity they were identified with and validating in their public and personal lives!

We all HATE the pseudo-Christianity of today, that reaks of ineptitude, lack of study, and full blown hypocrisy that atheists(who borrow moral positions from a whole host of religions) can easily expose.

Prove there is no Creator....who cares what religion/denomination the founders subscribed to; they did the RIGHT THING for others benefit....that is no Godless, self-centered, non-sacrificial philosophy...and please....throw gratitude out of Thanksgiving also when you can prove to me a one cell thing in a puddle somewhere said "I think I'll be two" millions or billions of years ago, and human eyesight appeared millions of years later through random chance.

Anyone can speak Christian-ese

Serious expression or heavenward glance is extra.

Only one knows their true intent. How does this help us now?

Divisive to what purpose?

Free includes debt-free!

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As a Christian and my own personal opinion...

I believe the founders would have no part with a lot of our current christian churches. But similarly i don't believe they would put up with our current political nonsense, but to say that they were never politicians would be off....

One of the biggest pitfalls in a "movment" is the temptation to get cultish about it and refuse to realize that it is only part of the picture. -Joel Salatin ; You Can Farm pg 202

Holy crap

Nice work phxarcher87, the OP never stood a chance.

Now, with that said: who cares whether they were Christians or not? We venerate the founders because of their politics, their religious views are quite beside the point. Likewise, who cares whether they preferred ale or porter, pork or chicken, Bach or Mozart...

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."