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US Citizens Have No Constitutionally Guaranteed Right To Bear Arms (but people do!)

This is my last DP post for a while... good luck.
Edit 1-7 9:37 AM
Please check out this post first to be better able to comprehend exactly why I feel knowledge of these deceptions is so critically important to the R∃VO↵UTION.
Edit 1-6 8:30 PM
This post has fought it's way back from -39 votes. People are starting to dig deeper and expose the INTENTIONAL LIES of the Attorney who posted the other thread.
Edit 1-6 9:56 AM
FROM THE OP'S POST ON THE OTHER THREAD:

I saw the post about "giving up" your right to bear arms when you enter into a "contract" to drive. I have to respectfully disagree. Your RIGHT is an absolute right which (1) you do not have to power to "give up" as it is granted from your Creator, and (2) any "contract" has to have the terms fully disclosed and you have to UNDERSTAND those terms in order for the contract to legally stand.

HE IS CLAIMING TO DIRECTLY QUOTE ME. WHERE DO I WRITE "GIVING UP" below? Please stop letting people FEED on your EMOTIONS! Look how the paragraph above was so cleverly CRAFTED. The VERY BEST LIES are 99% truth.
Edit 1-6 8:41 AM
"It depends on what your definition of the word 'is' is." ~ Bill Clinton during impeachment proceedings

The precise definitions of words DO MATTER! Please do not buy into the "semantics" argument! The BARflies want you to ignore the subtle differences and just keep going along minding your "own business" so they can maintain their MONOPOLY on the interpretation of Law!

Scroll down to section 15 to find out what "United States" means:

(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;

Do you really wanna be a citizen of (created by) the United States?

FYI - I really hope nobody here is clueless enough to think that I'm trying to convince them to give their guns away. If you had an option to keep them without having to die or kill would you take it?
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When you went for a DRIVER LICENSE you saw a question which asked:

Are you a US citizen? [ ] Yes [ ] No

You agreed by private contract to operate in the status of a United States citizen. You traded your right to bear arms for a state granted privilege. The constitution protects your unlimited right to contract, as well as your right to WAIVE ANY RIGHT.

The BARflies don't care if it's LOOKS right... smells right... feels right etc... they only care about if they can get away with it through LEGAL LOOPHOLES or not.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It does not state:

... the right of persons ....

... the right of government agents ...

... the right of United States citizens ...

... the right of citizens ...

... the right of Citizens of the United States ...

I hate to break it to all persons but their individual government franchises will be disarmed because they have no right to bear arms guaranteed or protected in any constitution.

Legally speaking anyway...

Now PLEASE - Calm down... and think rationally for a minute. You are right now being LAUGHED at because you can't grasp this simple concept - by a bunch of BARFLIES. PLEASE - I know you are CAPABLE of following what I'm saying... I have FAITH in YOU.

This is SIMPLE STUFF... wanna hear how simple it is?

Don't let these BARFLIES drive us to killing each other while they sit on the sidelines with a bowl of popcorn.



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Reinforcements have arrived!

Thank you!

Vince

Just wanted to thank you for the most fun I've had here in a long time. I especially enjoyed your chats. You have renewed my faith. Thank you.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

..and that...

you have renewed my faith

IS OUR GREATEST ASSET - our faith in the hope that we can and WILL find a way out of this HELL and establish God's Kingdom here on earth right on SATAN'S DOORSTEP.

Brady v. U.S., 397 U.S. 742,

Brady v. U.S., 397 U.S. 742, 748
“Waivers of Constitutional Rights, not only must they be voluntary, they must be knowingly intelligent acts done with sufficient awareness.”

Legally speaking

A "citizen of the United States" is different than a "natural born Citizen" aka, a "state Citizen." And ONLY the latter has fundamental rights!

The citizens of the United States that were created by the 13th and 14th Amendments have limited "civil" rights. Which is why they couldnt vote until the adoption of the 15th Amendment.

This has been established and never changed for YEARS!

    "We might say that such regulations were unjust, tyrannical, unfit for the regulation of an intelligent state; but, if rights of a citizen are thereby violated, they are of that fundamental class, derived from his position as a citizen of the state, and not those limited rights belonging to him as a citizen of the United States; and such was the decision in Corfield v. Coryell."
    [The United States v. Susan B. Anthony (11 2nd. Jud. Cir.] 200, 1873)

The confusion comes in like this. TODAY, whites and blacks alike have "signed up" to be "citizens of the United States"...not because of the drivers license, but because of the birth certificate and social security card. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND what social security is. It is a "retirement program of the United States Government", and ANY individual that is able to receive benefits from this program is equivalent to an employee of the Federal Government.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/552a

    (13) the term “Federal personnel” means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components), individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits).

THESE "federal citizens" are required to get licenses to travel, assemble, marry, build, and other act that congress or the political subdivision the STATE, declares.

A free, natural born Citizen (with an upper case "C") is the "People" that the Constitution and Bill of Rights was written for. The 14th Amendment was written for freed slaves in order to create a "type" or a "class" of citizenship...aka federal citizenship.

    Status of citizenship of United States is privilege, and Congress is free to attach any preconditions to its attainment that it deems fit and proper. In re Thanner, D.C.Colo.1966, 253 F.Supp. 283. See, also, Boyd v. Nebraska, Neb.1892, 12 S.Ct. 375, 143 U.S. 162, 36 L.Ed. 103; Application of Bernasconi, D.C.Cal.1953, 113 F.Supp. 71; In re Martinez, D.C.Pa.1947, 73 F.Supp. 101; U.S. v. Morelli, D.C.Cal.1943, 55 F.Supp. 181; In re De Mayo, D.C.Mo.1938, 26 F.Supp. 696; State v. Boyd, 1892, 51 N.W. 602, 31 Neb. 682.

Federal citizens OF the UNITED STATES are only "resident" in the states of the union.

    “Resident” and “inhabitant” are distinguishable in meaning. The word “inhabitant” implies a more fixed and permanent abode than does “resident;” and a resident may not be entitled to all the privileges or subject to all the duties of an inhabitant. Frost v. Brisbin, 19 Wend. (N. Y.) 11, 32 Am. Dec. 423. Also a tenant, who was obliged to reside on his lord’s land, and not to depart from the same;
    (Black's Law Dictionary)

Thank you for stepping up.

I honor your contribution to the thread!

Blessings!

I think the BARFLIES stirred up a HORNETS NEST!

We're fighting back! It's time to TRADE YOUR PRIVILEGES IN and get your people's rights back... and open your bible to "Revelations." I'M HERE TO ANNOUNCE THE PRESENCE OF THE ONE AND ONLY ALMIGHTY GOD!!!

I'm GOD POWERED right now! I haven't slept in close to 36 hours. I've got 36 MORE IN ME SEND YOUR ENTIRE ARMY OF ESQUIRES HERE TO DO BATTLE IN THE INFO WAR!

If this thing makes it back into positive territory I THINK I MIGHT JUMP CLEAN OUT OF MY SKIN!

Well

You are only down by 34 now. Keep up the good work !!

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

LET THE LINE BE DRAWN.....

HEEEahhhh!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aJCrMDl-H4

You know... I could create a bunch of multiple accounts too... but I play by the rules and even though you bend them and break them I'M STILL GONNA BEAT YOU!

When swords are drawn tears are wept.

We stand tall and just for noble causes, seeking to promote peace, Liberty and prosperity.

Picard and others have strived to attain that line utilizing the mathematical impossibility of dividing by half until it is reached.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

My brother...

we still have a hair's breath left between us and "violent revolution" in order to reign in these tyrants who have NO AUTHORITY under the constitution they took an OATH to in front of GOD and two other witnesses. They have powers DELEGATED TO THEM by the SOVEREIGN PEOPLE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ38TZqUYbc

While I'm still breathing and there's a chance for peace I'm going to keep trying to break through the web of deceit and into the hearts and minds of people who are capable of a heck of a lot more than what we're being allowed to accomplish.

I urge Daily Paulers to change their vote on this post. There is NO HOPE FOR US AT THE VOTING BOOTH! It is URGENT that we display to our would be JAIL-ors that we are united... still curious... asking questions... and UNAFRAID to go after the truth as one UNSTOPPABLE OVERWHELMING FORCE.

Before a CIA plant named TIM TURNER completely subverted the "Guardians of the free republics" this group of "sovereigns" re-inhabiting the free republics in America sent out letters to all 50 governors DEMANDING that they RE-ASSERT their oaths of office and begin to protect and serve the American people or they would have these governors ARRESTED by LAWFUL PROCESS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wazK2jOpos4

Notice how the news doesn't mention the option to RE-ASSERT their oaths of office and instead digs deep and tries to find the only words which could be even remotely connected to "violence" when Sam Kennedy says "we are coming for you" and "notice how I didn't say 'legal' I said 'lawful'" as if "lawful" is somehow BAD?!?

It didn't take long for the subversion and division to rip that program apart. They only wanted to be "free to go on about their business." Instead of being allowed to PEACEFULLY exit these contracts with the BEAST... they were hunted down one by one while Americans by and large stood by and hook line an sinker bought the demonization of their VERY OWN POSTERITY!

Now we free people who have re-asserted our sovereignty:
http://www.dailypaul.com/268312/got-a-problem-with-sovereign...

...and KNOW that the BARFLIES do not CARE about our rights and instead wish to defend OURSELVES in courts of law PEACEFULLY and teach others to do the same so that we can PEACEFULLY and orderly restore our republic to its former dignity as a shining beacon to the world of FREEDOM and it's REWARDS...

Are DEMONIZED by the SPLC (BARFLIES INC) for ONE reason and ONE reason only... because WE DON'T NEED THEIR BARFLIES to DEFEND OUR RIGHTS and that's just BAD for BUSINESS.

Just like these wordsmithing SHILLS have somehow convinced people that being a "truther" is a bad thing, using an OXY-MORON like "sovereign citizen" are trying to convince you that people reclaiming the rights our forefathers fought for and died for is also a bad thing.

The BARFLIES ARE NOW CHARGED WITH OPERATING A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS IN INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE which up until just a few years ago was managed by our FREE WILL and complacency and silent subjugation without objection.

That is an AFFRONT TO GOD and the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST ALMIGHTY is in EACH OF US waking up to this "semantic" nightmare.

We can do it! When did asking questions become illegal in this country... the same goes for reading and teaching others who by their FREE WILL wish to learn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2aSdjf8Dms&list=UUxHzRW5GGI...

FYI: Here's another BRAVE PATRIOT who hasn't been heard from in quite some time and hopefully isn't sitting in some hole like GUANTANAMO BAY. We can either wake up now and figure out what's been done to us through the schools and the halls of congress or one by one we will be picked off and silenced or otherwise killed in our beds at night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFXKQuKlgak&list=UUxHzRW5GGI...

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Inalienable Rights cannot be forfeited or surrendered.

inalienable: Unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor

The Lord gaveth; we cannot situationally give them back.

"citizens OF the UNITED

"citizens OF the UNITED STATES" (federal citizens) have "civil rights"! THIS is because the freed slaves were not "People" at the time the Constitution was written, and no Amendment has ever been made that brought freed slaves into the category of "People", only "persons".

This is why the 14th Amendment and ALL subsequent amendments should be repealed, and replaced with a new Amendment making anyone born in the United States of America, regardless of race, one of the "People" of the United States of America. And repealing any words or reference to race or sex throughout the Constitution.

THIS is the only way to make everyone constitutionally equal.

Repeal: That would be a great start!

Yes references to race and sex.

All are created equal under the law.

Free includes debt-free!

Inalienable rights can be given away.

Unalienable rights were the ones the Creator granted ;-)

 Inalienable rights. Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights. Morrison v. State, Mo. App., 252 S.W.2d 97, 1 0 1. -- Black’s Law fifth edition

 Unalienable. …incapable of being aliened, that is, sold and[or] transferred.-- Black’s Law fifth edition

The courts use a DIFFERENT BOOK to define words Steve... see that???

SteveMT's picture

I find the same definitions when I look up either one.

The first synonym given for unalienable is inalienable. However, unalienable is the word that I should have used from the Declaration. I was wrong. Thanks for pointing-out the legal nuances between these two words.

"Oh, and if you are wondering about the common argument as to whether it is "unalienable" or "inalienable," either is correct."
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/unalienable

He's right about those two seemingly exact words.

The difference seems minute but it is there. That's probably why it was switched before it was written into law by the Founding Fathers.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

YOU GOT IT rp4pres WTG!

This the greatest scam in HISTORY is about to BUST WIDE OPEN!

Thank you for DIGGING DEEP and doing your homework!

I've had it for a very long time.

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Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=qo8CmO...
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Yup more disinfo

Think about it... these VIPERS have access to the printing presses. They can print print print or just hold down the zero key and pay thousands of people to scourge the net and spread disinformation to keep us away from the truth.

That's why the internet is so powerful. It has given us back our ability to DISCERN what is TRUTH from what is LIES. We now know how to call BS on that garbage and source information... and we NEVER believe what the "government" tells us without providing some PROOF!

Try a different route!

I think I understand what you're trying to say... But it seems obvious that you're going about it wrong. Or at least wording it offensively.

Consider a declaration...
We the people in order to form a more perfect Union...
We do not need the govt to tell us we have the right! Government is not the source of our life, liberties or freedoms! They work for us!
We Declare our right to bear arms! The document merely communicated it to that royal moron in England how We the People see things! And it now serves as a guide for the future would be monarchs (Obama) to come...

And I don't give a rat's anal vent if you agree with me or not!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Thank you for taking the time to read it carefully.

I've been banging my head against the wall trying to show folks what's really going on here. When this crazy gun-grabbing stuff started I saw an opening to get them to actually approach this topic. They have been too afraid to even discuss the Law on most of my posts but now... as you can see... they are at least coming over here to ATTACK me.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you... then WE win!

Those of us that have been studying law... a lot of us either atheists or completely anti-religion... have had revelations that the Creator is at the very least a very real CONCEPT in law. With the battle at hand taking shape I myself can testify to very real evidence that the things in the bible REALLY DO MEAN something. The revelations that we now know what the bible was talking about are coming out so fast and hard it's amazing.

Jesus did not physically "walk on water." He was a "sovereign" staying out of the jurisdiction of ADMIRALTY (law of the sea) COURT. When he "flipped over the bankers tables" that is a PARABLE. It means he DISCHARGED the CHARGES against his followers. He also confronted them with the TRUTH of their DECEPTIONS.

We are here... right now... IN the FINAL BATTLE. I gotta tell you it's amazing to see as well as to realize my place in it.

I'm here at the Daily Paul for a reason. I'm not some kook who read some conspiracy website. I've been buried in law books and legal terminology every waking minute for the past 5 years trying to UNRAVEL this web of deception.

Also let me add: This post and the evil-twin over there are DIRECT evidence that you cannot VOTE for RIGHTS. You can't vote for anything and expect to get it. These vipers will buy your votes with smooth words and clever deceptions... and then they will steal the very ground from beneath your feet.

You can see this happening all around you. Yes we had some major progress in the last 8 years... but the progression of the collapse is far outpacing our ability to overcome it with VOTES... the ONLY ANSWER to the equation is INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS and learning how to DEFEND THEM without a BARFLY who doesn't CARE ABOUT YOUR RIGHTS - he thinks he OWNS YOU.

I didn't

read much... cursory scan only

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

Vince-Your thoughts?

On September 17, 1787 twelve State delegates approved the Constitution for the united States of America, and the States became the Constitutors. What is the legal definition of the term, "constitutor"? A Constitutor: In the civil law, one who, by simple agreement, becomes responsible for the payment of another's debt. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed.) The States were now liable for the United States debt owed to the King of England, but the people of America were not yet liable, because they were not a party to the Constitution since it was never put to them for a vote. On August 4, 1790 an Act was passed that, for all intents and purposes abolished the States and created Federal Districts. In this Act each District was assigned a portion of the debt. Then the states reorganized their governments, which had to be done because the States needed to "legally" (under men's laws) transfer the bonded obligation for debt repayment from the states to the people. The original State Constitutions were never submitted to the people for a vote, so the governments wrote new constitutions and submitted them to the people for a vote, thereby binding the people to the debts owed to Great Britain. Once again, deception is used to get the people to unknowingly volunteer into bondage.

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

as citizens of a Sovereign

as citizens of a Sovereign state, we are party to the Constitution. through the state.

but to begin, the states weren't even party to it.take a look:
"to ourselves and our posterity."
are states either of those?
it came through the judicial act of 1789, which was actually a treaty between the several states and the united(note the capitalization) States of America. granting them access to the constitution by accepting it's laws and rules to their governments. being a sovereign citizen of the state that has accepted or is party to the constitution (also known as being part of that state) grants me access to it's protection from the government.

They NEVER bound the people to the debt.

There is no possible way for a living being to owe a created fiction anything. I've got plenty of case sites on that but that's just COMMON SENSE! Also... "put them to the people for a vote" - that's a democracy - so what about the people who didn't vote?

Now consider: At the Declaration we were all EQUAL. Next they have a constitution - you contract to agree to the terms of the constitution by taking an Oath of office.

All of these people can only act in the "capacity" of a citizen. You have to comprehend CAPACITY. It is your RANK in society. The citizen is a created fiction of STATE - thereby it is controlled by the state. The illusion is shattered when you realize that the US citizen is not you.

It is a corporate VEHICLE to JOIN you as SURETY for the debt however this joinder is created by FRAUD (you have no knowledge of the terms) thereby it is voidable and can be AVOIDED nun pro tunc. (As if it never happened).

Check this post for details:
http://www.dailypaul.com/266683/petition-avoid-the-fiscal-cl...

...and thanks for your AWESOME and AWARE comment! The PTB is QUAKING IN THEIR BOOTS as evidenced by the SWARM of BARFLIES attacking these posts in a "LAME DUCK SESSION!" Why do they even CARE what we chat about around here???

Thank you for your response and link

Are you familiar with the Ultimate Delusion by Stephen Ames?

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/ultimate_delu...

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain

Great link, Celeste

"On September 17, 1787 twelve State delegates approve the Constitution. The States have now become Constitutors. Constitutor: In the civil law, one who, by simple agreement, becomes responsible for the payment of another's debt. Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed.
The States were now liable for the debt owed to the King, but the people of America were not because they were not a party to the Constitution because it was never put to them for a vote."

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

Yes I am....

adding to the post! Thanks for the backup!

Here is an excerpt

" How many times have you seen someone in court attempt to use the Constitution and then the Judge tells him he can't. It is because you are not a party to it.

If you don't believe read Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah. 14 Georgia 438, 520 which states " But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is not a party to it."

"Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
Mark Twain