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US citizens (actually have an absolute) Right To Bear Arms...

I saw the post about "giving up" your right to bear arms when you enter into a "contract" to drive. I have to respectfully disagree. Your RIGHT is an absolute right which (1) you do not have to power to "give up" as it is granted from your Creator, and (2) any "contract" has to have the terms fully disclosed and you have to UNDERSTAND those terms in order for the contract to legally stand.

Sorry, I did "agree" that I'm a "US Citizen" (whatever that is) and I DID NOT agree to any disclosed strings attached that say I will relinquish ANYTHING. Any "contract" saying otherwise is null and void for failure to disclose.

ALL my rights are fully mine and I carry them with me wherever I travel, disputes by so-called "officials" to the contrary are not binding before my Creator...

This heading is actually misleading as it's not just "US Citizens (whatever that is) but ALL PERSONS OF HUMAN BIRTH anywhere on the planet or even off the planet who are "endowed" with rights (that means everyone...)



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Yes it is

But only if you stand up for your rights, otherwise you have none.

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

Good post

I'm sorry, but I'm getting sick of all this "Sovereign Citizen" hocus pocus. It's starting to show up on nearly ever post on the DP. I used to read their comments/articles etc. but lately as soon as i realize that the comment is a SC post i just skip over it.

"Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused.Men can go wrong with wine and women.Shall we then prohibit and abolish women? The sun, the moon,and the stars have been worshiped.Shall we then pluck them out of the sky?

I'm getting sick of people

who are brainwashed by Attorneys AT Law from the SPLC.

There is no such thing as a "sovereign citizen!"

This guy is another BARFLY troll go look at his account!

Yup

You have me all figured out. Well done!!! Have fun with your Mary Poppins legal spit spot, hocus pocus.

"Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused.Men can go wrong with wine and women.Shall we then prohibit and abolish women? The sun, the moon,and the stars have been worshiped.Shall we then pluck them out of the sky?

Sovereign Citizen is an

Sovereign Citizen is an oxymoron. A Sovereign has no Authority above him, he is a "King". A subject is "subject" to the rules of the King. The subject is "under the jurisdiction of" the King. A Citizen is a subject who has the privilege of participation within the body politic, but is still "subject", (under the jurisdiction of) to its laws.

A Sovereign is under the jurisdiction of no one other than God.
A Citizen is under the jurisdiction of the ruling government.

A "Sovereign" "Citizen" makes no sense whatsoever. One COULD claim to be a Sovereign Subject, under the jurisdiction of the Kingdom of Heaven...which is the same thing a announcing yourself to be King of your House.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Hear, Hear

Couldn't agree more

"Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused.Men can go wrong with wine and women.Shall we then prohibit and abolish women? The sun, the moon,and the stars have been worshiped.Shall we then pluck them out of the sky?

Great to hear from you!

Thanks!

I agree. It is an ABSOLUTE right. The framers recognized this.

That is why, unlike every other Amendment in the Bill of Rights addressing specific rights, the Second Amendment does not begin with "Congress shall make no law..."

This also means all laws prohibiting the bearing of arms, concealed or otherwise, violate the Second Amendment, be they federal, state or local. It is nobody's effing business WHAT I carry on my person UNLESS I present a "clear and present danger" to those around me.

I clearly believe it is the duty of every citizen to be prepared to defend natural rights, if necessary, by deadly force. I adopted that believe a long time ago and it has kept me OUT of a lot more trouble than I had BEFORE I adopted it.

Bob you are my brother man...

Dig deeper bro - check out what I exposed. You got BARFLY trolls all over these two posts doing their damnedest to try and discredit me.

ChristianAnarchist, this post is so obvious

to those of us who know and understand our founding documents I'm afraid you won't get many comments except from the two who seem to think we have inalienable rights and not unalienable rights.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

inalienable rights and not unalienable rights

Good catch.

http://www.freedomadvocates.org/articles/legitimate_governme...

Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

Will upvoting this make it true?

Nope. Sorry. If you are a citizen, you surrendered your rights. You did it via invalid contract, so you can remedy the problem, but not by upvoting this thread. Indeed, upvoting this thread indicates to me that you are looking for "feel good" sound bites, not answers to the problems.
The Constitution is an utterly invalid contract. Did you sign it? Consent to it? Perhaps most importantly, have you ever actually enjoyed the rights it describes? If you like "Constitutional Rights" you will LOVE natural rights, but you have to learn the difference.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Uh, no

I was born an American citizen. I didn't choose to be one nor did I agree to anything that says I give up my rights in exchange for being one.

Why should I have to sign the Constitution? It doesn't apply to me, it applies to the federal government. And each elected official must take an oath to defend it.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

When you came into this world

When you came into this world you were the property of your parents. You remain such until such time as you can provide for yourself, there is no specific age at which this event happens. You parents have the right to do with you as they see fit. THEY made you a citizen through documents they signed. Upon reaching the age of emancipation YOU have the choice to remain a citizen or throw off that status that your parents gave you. The government assumes, and rightfully so, that if you do nothing to eliminate that status, then you must desire such status. If you follow their process (Title 8 USC paragraph 1481) you can remove that status. If you make no effort to do so, it is logical to assume that you desire to maintain your status.

The 14th Amendment applies VERY DIRECTLY to you by establishing a direct relationship between YOU (the citizen) and the Federal Government.

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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence

Keep in mind...

Title 8 USC paragraph 1481

That while reading this text - US INC is a "foreign state" to our legitimate de-jure government of the republic.

So when a "foreign state" talks about pledging allegiance to a "foreign state" (such as our own individual houses) it's VEILED to make it almost impossible to decipher - as well as the "terrorist" implications on that page trying to scare you away from simply declaring your INDEPENDENCE of the DEMOCRACY and joining the republic of free people.

Just "REGISTERING" to vote in itself is an ACT OF TREASON - because you are "giving aid and comfort to a foreign power" - US INC is an INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION run by the CROWN CORPORATION IN LONDON! It is a foreign OCCUPYING POWER!

Correction...

You were born an American National. You are not a citizen - you operate in the capacity OF a citizen.

Your "nation" is your country. The citizen is a corporate franchise of the dummy corporation "United States"

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3002 <<< Scroll down to section 15 to find out what "United States" means.

(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;

Do you really wanna be a citizen? There is actually no such thing as an "American citizen."

You are both right but you are a little wrong.

US Citizens are tax chattel with no rights at all. This is a very deep bunny hole, you might want a snorkel.
There is a common misconception that the Constitution gives us our rights. If you follow that line of thinking, then you did indeed surrender your claims to Constitutional rights when you signed for a driver's license, at least in my state.
However, if one is a Sovereign, one understands the Constitution does not give anything to anyone, and that it is something of a ruse to make "citizens" of us all.
I signed for my license without full disclosure, making the contract invalid. When it expires, I don't know what I will do yet - have a few years to consider my options.
What the other post is trying to do is make people look at the contracts we "signed" without one clue that we were "contracting" with the State. And if I may say so on his behalf.... Haha! Made you look! ;)

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.