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I Did Not Believe in “Chem-Trails” Until I Moved to Aspen, CO

Mountains don’t naturally get haze. Fog, yes – fog is a natural phenomenon caused by the moisture in the snow and rivers, and fog is very low-lying, close to its source. What I keep seeing in the sky, though, sure does not seem natural.

A haze covers the bright blue skies that are characteristic of the Rocky Mountains. Not just once in awhile; many times right before there is a prediction for moisture (so it seems). So, are they seeding the clouds? Snow is important to many industries up here, and seeding clouds is no conspiracy theory – that is real. What is in the dispersant? How could it affect the eco-system? Of all of the progressive places in our country, people should seem to be very concerned here in the Roaring Fork Valley, right? Our water supply is precious – so is the soil and air that we breathe. If anything is being is dispersed into the pristine blue skies around us, shouldn’t we, as a community, have a discussion about the potential side-effects of these dispersants entering our soil, water, and air?

I am going to be documenting this. I honestly did not believe too much in the whole concept of “chem-trails” (whatever the “chemical” in chem-trails may be), until I talked with some long-time residents of the Roaring Fork Valley and started to watch the patterns and frequency of these huge swaths of white take over the sky. I would still not have believed in it, except for the resulting haze that is like a shadow. The sun does not peek through, the blue sky is not blue – it is a sullen gray. The haze sticks around, and doesn’t leave. If it were just water dispersing in the sky, it would fade. These white trails don’t fade. They take away my blue sky – our blue sky.

Let’s have a discussion about being honest with our community and country. Let’s talk about what is being done – not in a fear-driven way, but in a common-sense way. Envisioning Dick Cheney flying an airplane spraying toxic metals is non-conducive to fixing the problem (although entertaining). What is going on and what are the side effects? Is there anything we can do about it? Who makes these decisions and if we have no power over those decision-makers (because unfortunately, we oftentimes don’t have a lot of power over the people who technically work for us (government)) – then what can we do to protect our health and our ecosystem?

Many thanks to the people who took the time to share with me (in a non-fear-based way) information about the blue sky.



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Beautiful sunny summer day here...

And driving home I saw the criss cross of.. whatever they are. High criss crosses and lines so you can barely see them and low criss crosses and lines that are unmistakable.

I would bet you tomorrow will be dim and shadowy summer day.

Garnet
Daughter of 1776 American Revolutionists

Saw something strange a couple of days before

the last full moon. I was looking up at the night sky and observed normal clouds and chemtrail clouds (easy to see the difference). The moon was bright, despite the cloud coverage. I noticed when the chemtrail clouds drifted in front of the moon, a deep reddish orange ring formed around the moon. This didn't happen when the normal clouds drifted in front of the moon. I watched this happen a few times before going inside the house. Anybody else ever see something like that?

Anybody know enough chemistry to venture a guess what made the ring that color?

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

I spent the weekend camping up at Shasta Lake

with a semi-sheeple friend. Heavy spraying was happening right in front of our eyes. Right over the lake we could see a regular airplane with a contrail which dissipated behind it almost instantly and there in the same area were two other planes laying down a heavy chemtrail grid. There was an obvious big thick stripe right across Mount Shasta. She asked what is that they're spraying so high up? I said No one knows for sure what it's for. Cloud seeding, geo-engineering or something more sinister. See all the gray haze, like it's lines that have blurred?" That's what those lines the airplanes are spraying will do. They'll spread out and linger there for hours. I made sure to point out the difference between the regular airplane and the other two. The reg airplane definitely had a contrail. Normal. The other two were spraying something that will cause this strange haze. Not normal. The difference was so stark and obvious. She didn't immediately discount what I told her, but I could tell she was skeptical. Later that same day we ventured on up into "State of Jefferson" territory, to a brew pub in Dunsmuir. Got to talking with some locals and one of the employees - and they brought up all the chemtrails! I just looked and her like "See?! I told ya!" Her mind is blown now, lol!

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

2 Govt. docs that Speak about "Weather Modification" ...

ONe being the military promoting research and technology in order to play God (of course for our own good and protection) re Chemtrails (as I term it) and the latter (below) being a valiant effort to reject it.

Read this 1996 Air Force document Pdf and the "2001 Space Preservation Act" referred to below and come to your own conclusions 18 years later: "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" (Found @ http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf)

Here's an excerpt where you can see what the objective of the military were then and what we might be dealing with now:

"A high-risk, high-reward endeavor, weather-modification offers a dilemma not unlike the splitting of the atom. While some segments of society will always be reluctant to examine controversial issues such as weather-modification, the tremendous military capabilities that could result from this field are ignored at our own peril. From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns to complete dominance of global communications and counterspace control, weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary. Some of the potential capabilities a weather-modification system could provide to a war-fighting commander in chief (CINC) are listed in table 1.

Technology advancements in five major areas are necessary for an integrated weather-modification capability: (1) advanced nonlinear modeling techniques, (2) computational capability, (3) information gathering and transmission, (4) a global sensor array, and (5) weather intervention techniques. Some intervention tools exist today and others may be developed and refined in the future. ..." "Extreme and controversial examples of weather modification—creation of made-to-order weather, large-scale climate modification, creation and/or control (or 'steering”) of severe storms, etc.—were researched as part of this study but receive only brief mention here because, in the authors’ judgment, the technical obstacles preventing their application appear insurmountable within 30 years. 12 If this were not the case, such applications would have been included in this report as potential military options, despite their controversial and potentially malevolent nature and their inconsistency with standing UN agreements to which the US is a signatory."

So, "Some intervention tools exist today and others may be developed and redefined in the future" And, "large-scale climate modification creation and/or control (or "steering") of severe storms, etc. ..." give the impression that there was tampering with the weather in 1996 that the military was aware of back then.

Here's a question: Is one of the "intervention tools" that "exists today" what we call chemtrails? Read it yourself and come to your own conclusion--I did.

p.s. Read this October 2, 2001 "Space Preservation Act," a Bill presented by "Mr. KUCINICH ... which was referred to the Committee on Science,"... "To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons or systems..." ... (http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html)

"SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS. In this Act:

(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

(2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following: ...(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;..."

Haze VS Hemispheres

We relocated from city to countryside in hope for a more healthy living and it worked to some extent. You can at least have some fresh air and you can see the difference http://relate4ever.com/?s=haze

However in the long run... run to Southern Hemisphere :-)

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I live in the Carolinas

"You're my blue sky, you're my sunny day..."

Lord, you know, it's really odd to see blown up puffy lines cris-crossing each other everywhere but yet nary a normal cloud to be seen.

Even my kids knew before they were 10 years old the difference between normal clouds, chemtrails and contrails.

What is the difference?

I've heard a lot of different opinions.

What is yours?

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

Chemtrails

DO NOT EXIST. STOP IT ALREADY!

And if it is true. It is not used to poison us. It is used to control weather.

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You almost saved face

But missed it.......by that much
"even if its true"? it is either true,or it is false,and seeing you don't know which,you can no opinion one way or the other.
If its not true,then it does not control the weather,if it is,then it does,But what is the mechanism which is used for controlling the weather?
And you are uncertain,then how do you know it is not poison?
D

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No way

it would land on ground. Use common sense and you would understand that.

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gravity

What goes up,must come down...common sense,so yes,it does touch the ground
and common sense tells me,they are spraying,but what is the content,of what is being used? Is it good for anything to be sprayed into the atmosphere?
The ability to control the weather is not a good thing,to dry up a part of the world,or to monsoon,is not good
D

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The writing is on the wall

You are blind to it.

Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not there. Really that simple.

Its a complete waste

of time. Why would they go out there way to do that? Every body is still stupid enough to takes meds, eat and drink the bad stuff, vaccines. It is all they need. Why waste flying a plane around? Seriously...?

You can't confuse the

You can't confuse the fringers with reality.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

This image monitors atmospheric conditions

That are consistent with contrail formation.

Best of luck in your search for answers!

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Source of image

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FORBIDDEN?!?!?!

A source for an image from the NASA.GOV website? Yeah cuz we know the gov is
so upstanding and never,ever lies....right?

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Source of image

please?

Let's follow some basic posting rules.

Dane Wigington is the leader...

of the anti-geoengineering movement. Please watch this video. It is so important, because once the planet can no longer sustain life, nothing else matters. We are rapidly approaching that point.

I have a sincere question

I don't really know much about chemtrails. I tend to be skeptical but havnt really looked into it, so im not firm in my beliefs. Heres my question.

Wouldnt the dispersal pattern of plain water and the chemicals be similar? Dispersion is a physical (not chemical) process of a gas to expand. It dipends very little on the chemical make up. Secondly wind is the primary dispersal process, it would effect other chemical gases exactly like water. Im pretty sure we cant create gases that don't disperse. In fact it would not be a gas by definition then. I think the dispersal argument might be weak. Anyone know why these chemtrails disperse differently.

Cloud seeding, Contrails, and Chemtrails.

I have not researched this very much, but I have talked with people who believe in the chemtrail story.
Cloud seeding has been around a long time. It involves dropping aluminum powder into clouds. The powder acts to attract moisture in the cloud. The moisture accumulates around the powder granules to form raindrops. The point to cloud seeding is to control where the rain falls and to increase rainfall. In order to do it, there has to be clouds in the sky to seed.
Contrails are formed by moisture in airplane engine exhaust condensing in the air behind the airplane. This is most noticeable when the sky is clear. If the air aloft is cold enough to condense or freeze the moisture in the exhaust, the trail will form. I have been told these are chemtrails and that they will cause the sky to become cloudy. If there air aloft is cold and relatively still, the contrail may remain a long time. If it is windy, it will dissipate. If it is warm, the water will never condense forming the visible white trail. When there is a temperature inversion where the air near the ground is warmer and moister than the air aloft, the air near the ground may get trapped causing haze. Or, if the moist air gets mixed with the colder air aloft as it rises, the water will condense and form clouds. It isn't that the contrails make the sky cloudy, it is the airplane exhaust got mixed with the cold air before another source of moisture got to it.
If I understand, chemtrails is something different. These are formed because the airplane is either spraying something or there has been some additive put into the fuel that is supposed to affect the atmosphere in some way. While I don't doubt the government has done experiments with this and that pesticides and herbicides have been delivered by airplanes on crops regularly, it is hard for me to accept the chemtrail phenomenon is a widespread program. I just have not seen any proof of that. What I have seen in photos are contrails and normal, though dramatic, atmospheric effects due to air temperature layers.
If you have driven up a mountainside or flown in a small plane, the temperature changes dramatically as one ascends. There are heaters on the carburetors of small plane engines because they ice up with the change in air pressure. In my opinion, most of what people mistake for chemtrails are instead contrails. The reason they do not appear all of the time is because the conditions needed for them to form are not always there.

[F]orce can only settle questions of power, not of right. - Clyde N. Wilson

when I heard Al Gore say

When I heard Al Gore say that the government was talking about basically spraying the sky with stuff (can't remember what) as a solution to global warming, I figured they were already doing it. This is an assumption on my part but that seems to be how things work. Al Gore said it the context of it being crazy to combat global warming with more pollution as I recall.

No Chemtrails (Contrails?)

here for a couple of weeks.

Clear, dark blue skies.

Even had a regular thunderstorm with rain that lasted hours instead of the fast moving, 5min storms that have been coming through the past few years.

That jogged my memory. This is what it used to be like all the time.

Damn climate change.

Simple questions re chemtrails

If anyone can answer on either side of the issue, it would be great.

I do not have enough information to have a strong opinion, but it seems to me the core question regarding chamtrails is this:

Do contrails behave vastly differently at high altitude sometimes?

We know the only thing at low altitude that stays as long as what people think are chemtrails is deliberate particulates like smoke from skywriters.

So the argument is that at high altitude sometimes contrails do not dissipate. We've all seen them when they do dissipate fast, so if they can remain, it's not an always thing.

So the claim is that on days when we see a lot of trailing, it's that weather conditions allow them to remain on that day. This is plausible at least.

This would seem to be empirically answerable, yes? Some pilot should be able to say, "yes on some days my contrail remains for a long time" or some pilot should be able to say "in all my years I have never left a persistent contrail". And yes I know they aren't usually looking that direction but they do turn occasionally, and I would assume they would have noticed sometimes if they turn and they saw their own huge long persistent trail.

Another answer a pilot should be able to answer is, do engines shut off often?

The gaps in the trail look pretty suspicious. And I've flown more than the average bear and do not recall the engine ever going off and on. All of them would have to go off and on to cause the trail gaps we see regularly.

So is it true that all the engines on a plane shut off occasionally, and this shut off is not perceptible to passengers, who may not know what they are hearing, or not hearing?

Maybe they do. I drive a stick and I'm sure a passenger that only drives an automatic doesn't know how to interpret by feel when I shift, whereas I can certainly interpret it when someone else drives. So maybe it's like that, but maybe it's not.

Again a pilot should be able to answer the question about occasional engine shut off of all the engines, or some other explanation that would explain the sharp gaps in a trails we see with regularity.

I don't know the answers to these questions. But one thing logically makes me suspect shenanigans. Given how agencies love to shake down corporations, evidence or not, if airlines were doing something to cause these huge plumes and the government were not involved I can't imagine there wouldn't be investigations and hearings, so that agencies and politicians would be able to squeeze the airlines for some money to get them to back off. Since no greenie, like a Dennis Kucinich type, has raised the alarums, this makes me very suspicious.

Just like if telecoms were spying on their own there would be an outcry. But since the NSA was just using them, no one ever said peep, until Snowden outed them.

Government and corporations are usually on the same side, but they do jockey for position. When they aren't jockeying for position over some issue, it is a good clue they are in collusion on that issue.

If you understand cloud

If you understand cloud seeding, you'll open your mind to less conspiracy and more reality. No offense intended, Tisha (as I think you're doing a good job bringing people into the liberty movement). I'd just prefer a science-based approach, rather than an appeal to fear or ignorance of "chemtrail" conspiracy advocates.

cloud seeding?

"cloud seeding is a weather modification project that often uses heavy-metals to create cloud trail formations."

hm. sounds like the conspiracy people weren't nuts after all.

not only that but the typical argument that all that shyte in the skies was just "con-trails" turned out to be wrong.

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Honestly I have no idea what

Honestly I have no idea what is driving the paranoia behind cloud seeding, and I'm sure individuals all have their own reasons, but it just seems damn peculiar. I've been aware since childhood about cloud seeding and it seems like some are frightened of the most common things these days.

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Common things?

Such as police brutality,gang violence,rapes,killings?,These common things,because we are exposed to them,should not worry or alarm anyone?

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not sure where you grew up

but in my childhood the skies used to blue and the only airplanes that left trails were hired sky-writers who wrote things such as Coca-Cola, and will you marry me.

Today, the skies look like a farmer's plaid shirt at a rodeo.

It's not new.

Grew up in the Western US and since childhood it was a known thing.