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House GOP seeks to abolish IRS, replace income tax with consumption tax

Fifty-four House Republicans on Thursday reintroduced legislation that would terminate the IRS and replace the system of income taxes on people and corporations with a consumption tax.

The FairTax Act, from Rep. Rob Woodall (R-Ga.), would abolish the 16th Amendment, which was ratified 100 years ago this February. That amendment gives Congress the power to impose income taxes without having to spend the revenues evenly among the states.

Woodall's bill, H.R. 25, would replace the current tax system with a 23 percent consumption tax on all new goods and services. He said Thursday that this change would eliminate the need for a complicated tax code, and would be the kind of tax reform that helps reinvigorate the economy.

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What land of magic unicorns are you living in?!
Each state has it's own sales tax. Each time an auto is sold, the state assesses a sales tax! Get the picture? How is that right?
How is replacing what was obviously not what was intended to be, an improvement simply by replacing it?!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

I have no idea what you're

I have no idea what you're reading to make these responses, but you are clicking reply on the wrong topic. You are arguing points I haven't made, nothing you are saying makes ANY SENSE at all in the context of this discussion.

From the beginning you asserted I believed something I clearly did not, and then refused to listen when I said, uh, no, that's not even remotely close to what I was saying.

You are terribly confused.

Income tax is theft, yes, that's why I'm advocating its abolishment.

Nice try dude...

Look, it's not personal. But try reading back at what you said.
I could easily come to the conclusion that your comprehension challenged...
So let me just sum it up. I do not favor what the OP is about. I do not want to replace what I think is fundamentally wrong... I do not want to "incrementally" do away with it...
I recommend you read up on the whole history of the Tax Subject.
Public schools do not teach the fundamentals of learning. So learn this, there is a big difference in being taught what to think and being taught how to think!
Good luck!

When Fascism goes to sleep, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul!

When growing your own food

When growing your own food and building your own tools, car, house become "illegal" as they basically already are, you will be forced to buy, and forced to pay.

I don't see what this has to

I don't see what this has to do with my argument. I'm obviously not advocating any of those laws.




Cascade Effect

We've seen how well it works to ask Congress to cut back their spending of our money.

Income tax hurts, but people seem able to live in denial very easily because their employer never puts it into their hands.

A consumption tax would put the bill for government right there on the receipt for every purchase, having come out of our pockets. It's just the reform that would put motivation to fight tax increases back into the hands of consumers (and reduce this ridiculous and suicidal desire to tax someone else) to put pressure on Congress.

I could throw away boxes and boxes of papers, too.

Of course, it all means nothing re spending if we don't end the Fed.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

Well said

We need to stop asking, damnit. We need to TAKE back what is Ours, peacefully, lawfully. And we can, with enough people behind words with teeth.


I don't understand why there should be any other solution. Please show me another way, any-DP'er.

Lima-1, out.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

More well-intentioned idiocy

Let the D.C. thieves continue un-fettered.
Let them raise taxes to the sky.
Let them destroy the fiat currency beyond repair.

Conduct yourself accordingly and prosper from the utter collapse of this crime syndicate.
Have faith that ALL corrupt governments fail and self destruct.

When the least sophisticated Americans have a personal conviction through firsthand experience then and only then will the original form of our constitutional republic be reborn.

America has a population of LEGAL immigrants who sacrificed everything to come to America for freedom. They are patiently waiting for the impending economic collapse.

It will come. And we can accelerate it's arrival by encouraging the criminals.

The universal laws of math, human behavior and physics assure our desired outcome.

Do the math...

Remember Herman Cain and 9-9-9? My county has a 9% sales tax. Under Herman's plan, I pay the 9% sales tax, and a 9% consumption tax. That's 18% at the counter.

We should look to the US Constitution and allow the government to fund itself with imports and excise taxes, under the terms spelled out in the Constitution. Abolish the 16th amendment, the 17th amendment and go back to sound money, money backed by something of value and state legislatures choosing members of the Senate.

The only way to limit the federal government is to take away it's authority to borrow fiat dollars, running up the debt, fractional banking, and paying interest on our own money, which means ending the Federal Reserve.

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Yes 18%

Spreads the tax base to include the poor, no matter what they say.

The rich have the option of not spending, passing the income on in inheritance, or spending overseas.

People of lesser income, must either spend all their income on survival, or do not have the opportunity of overseas purchases (which would be harmful to growth of the economy)

The poor and middle class, both, get nailed, while the rich and their tax shelters continue to escape the burden.

"The poor and middle class, both, get nailed, while the rich and

their tax shelters continue to escape the burden."

Yep, and this political theater that went on over this made up "fiscal cliff" crap, is the same way..

Anyone making over 1,000,000.00, will see $170,000 increase in their taxes... not only is that classwarefare and Marxist ('From each according to his ability, to each according to his need' Karl Marx 1875) in nature, it does nothing to close loopholes.. They'll just shelter more of their money, to make up for any issue.

It was a "feel good" pony show.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Fire Every Politican in Washington And Start All Over

The Constitution has failed because it cannot enforce itself.

It is a MAJOR failure and has been rendered useless. Trial courts rarely allow litigants to successfully argue the Constitution.

The problem is that no one can provide an effective method to enforce the supreme law of the land. Even though every elected official is required to sign an oath under penalty of law to support the Constitution, the gang does not support it completely and no one is ever convicted.

The only solution is to rebuild the entire system from scratch.

Unfortunately, it is all a dream, at least in the foreseeable future.

In our social system, you have to support something that is available, or just watch and let others tell us what we will get.

Fair Tax is a major step in the right direction of eventually eliminating the federal reserve, just as audit the fed legislation is a major step. Both efforts were designed and promoted by the type of people who really want to improve government.

Many people are dreaming if they think that merely watching the IRS become more tyrannical will eliminate taxation.

Unless someone wants to attempt a failed military coup, changes will have to be made through legislation with adequate support. Fair Tax is politically possible. Zero tax demands are only a dream with no support from Washington or the voting majority.

Gene Louis
Supporting a Needed Tool for Government Feedback:
A Citizen-Operated Legal System.

"The Constitution has failed because it cannot enforce itself. "

Absolute logic fail and I wish people would get a clue and stop saying such stupid things.

A piece of paper can't fight your fight for you. It outlined what we should know to do ourselves.. It's up to people to follow it.. if they do not, it's not much different than someone failing to follow a contract for anything else, except in this contract.. We have the second Amendment also so there's a second option rather than taking it to court.. in most others, it's just go to court.

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

No - The Constitution failed because they put in a new Amendment

At least in the case of the federal income tax, they could not have done it without an Amendment.

I understand that there was no federal income tax before 1913.

But that bastard Woodrow Wilson fundementally changed what this country stood for.

He hijacked our freedom with:

1. The new central bank (Federal Reserve),

2. The new federal income tax,

3. Limiting the size of the House of Representatives to 435,

4. Getting Americans to believe it was our job to "Save the world" with his League of Nations,

5. Getting us into the First World War which had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with defending the United States.

So Woodrow Wilson single-handidly RUINED the United States, while FDR, Johnson and Bush (both of them) pounded the final nails in liberty's coffin.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Again.. the document didn't fail anyone..blaming an inanimate

object for yours, mine or a person failure in general is silly.

The 16th Amendment gave no new powers of taxation per the Supreme Courts take on it and mainly per the Constitution's take on it.

People pay into tax because:

A: They don't know any better
B: They fear that if they don't they will go to jail
C: Are morons who think it's Patriotic
D: They feel they get something good in return

and maybe a few more reason I'm not thinking of.

Income as defined pre-1913 was not tax on labor. It has not changed.. if you look through the court details in all of the cases where taxation was disputed in the Supreme court.. you'll see the tax in question was derived from corporations/International imports or some such fashion.

Ever heard of the documentary from Aaron Russo?

America Freedom to Fascism. Very interesting and it will lead you to other areas where you can check it out for yourself.

They simply have kept quiet and the lie has become truth. Even Dr.Paul has spoken out against it as being Unconstitutional.

Here's a snippet of Aaron Russo's documentary.

Patriot Cell #345,168
I don't respond to emails or pm's.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution, inevitable.

Agree Woodrow proved to be one of the most trecherous

traitorous criminals of all time. Thats why they use his name on so many public schools.


16th Amendment DOES NOT MATTER

The 16th Amendment is totally a moot point anyway.

2 key cases in 1916 already confirm the income tax as ONLY an excise tax. They were the Brushaber case and Stanton case.

In fact, the US Supreme Court in the Brushaber case in 1916 dealt with the 16th amendment and stated that the 16 amendment was drawn up for the purpose of doing away with the CONFUSION of how an income tax must be laid by congress. And it was said it could ONLY be applied as an excise tax. That's it.

Since it's an excise, it really has nothing to do with the average american earning his/her own domestic source monies and still rakes in a lot of revenue for the federal government when actually applied properly and as written in USC 26. So the government will still receive taxes when properly enforced upon those whom it applies.

So, arguing the ratification of the 16th is such a moot point that it's not even worth discussing since the amendment did NOT change congress's taxing power to new subjects. Simple as that!

Love Liberty, be Vigilant

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17)

Faith in God will prevail all things!

So this is to make somone happy, replace one form of extorted

theft called tax with another immoral extroted theft called comsumption tax. Theives go home and leave honest folk alone. We are not your property nor your slaves. You have no authority for taking without the individual permission no matter what the lie to justify the theft. Government aint no robin hood, even if they were Robin Hood was still an immoral theif, stealing no matter the justification is a form of slavery and control.


I agree with you. However, I

I agree with you. However, I do think this bill moves the pendulum in the right direction. Folks can at least avoid a consumption tax by underconsuming. This would also encourage more saving, something this country desperately needs to rediscover. No one can avoid the income tax, short of becoming a government employee or totally dependent on government for entitlements.

There is no degrees of immoral extorted theft

Its a criminal enterprise and a theif becomes a liar and a murder. This bill moves nothing stops nothing and does only more evil.


Again, I agree with you. But

Again, I agree with you. But only a blood revolution would bring about the immediate change you want. Until then, wouldn't it be better to have laws that give us more freedom instead of less?

Why would you conclude that the only way out is blood?

In my opinion violence only begets more violence and is that the best solution. Enlightened disengagement. Why cant you see any other solution? Blood is their solution for they have militaries governments and unlimited digitized debt money.

I say dont use their money and you wont need to submit to the extorted theft called tax. Dont use their corporations and you wont have to submitt to their immoral extorted theft.

But just like climbing down a mountian you dont just say well the only way down is to jump, just as you dont say the only way to not submit to extortionists and theives is to go on a bloody rampage. You can simply climb down at your own pace.

Start with growing some of your own food. Perhaps start using alternative water and power sources. Anyway I may be wasting my time here seems you can only see black and white.


hey i agree

we need to stop using federal reserve note's and use alternative sources.

Albert Camus — 'The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.'

Agree with Kongvault below

Just to get rid of the tax on work for pay would be an improvement. Personally, I think an end to the 'tax on work for pay' should be made retroactive, since Thomas Jefferson and others had the right idea about taking away 'bread from the laborer'.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I'm all for it just for the

I'm all for it just for the sake of eliminating the complex IRS tax code. Then once it's simpler and more easily understood, the next step would be cutting it. As long as it's moving in what may be the right direction.

Taxes are meant to keep us all serfs

in our own land! take a look at this video to get a history on the FED and the PTB in the world!


Surviving the killing fields of Minnesota

Todays brainwashing: GMO's are safe

its 30%

If you want to buy something for $100, you're actually paying $130for it. They say 23 because 30 is 23 of 130. Its straight up evil wordplay. Its a bold faced lie.

the easiest way to get something done isnt to change the behavior; its to change the meaning of existing behavior. like a cut isnt a cut, torture isnt torture, its enhanced interrogation. war isnt war, its kinetic military action. declaring war now appare

More "tax math"

"I only pay 6% sales tax." Then whoever I paid pays 6%, then whoever they paid pays 6%... Every time a FRN moves it is taxed. If you could track the actual "tax rate" of any one dollar bill, it would be taxed out of existence in a day.

Love or fear? Choose again with every breath.

Only final goods are charged

Only final goods are charged a sales tax